Colt wins Big12 POY but not 1st team QB?

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Big 12 honors: McCoy player of year, but second-team QB
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Updated: December 5, 2008, 10:03 AM ET
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Texas quarterback Colt McCoy was good enough to be The Associated Press' Big 12 offensive player of the year. But he was not good enough to make the AP All-Big 12 first team.

That honor, announced Thursday, went to Oklahoma's Sam Bradford, who made the first team by one vote over McCoy.

As was the case in the Big 12 South race -- which saw Oklahoma emerge from a three-way tie with the Longhorns and Texas Tech-- the Red Raiders played the spoiler in the race.

Texas Tech quarterback Graham Harrell to qualify for the conference title game -- was the only other quarterback to get a vote from the 20 voters who decided the AP's Big 12 all-conference teams. Harrell picked up four votes -- one for first team and three for second team. Thus, the race swung on whether Harrell voters picked McCoy or Bradford as their second choice.

Three of those voters went with Bradford at second team and left McCoy off the ballot.

To emphasize how big of a difference that was, consider that Bradford and McCoy were both named on 16 of the 20 ballots. Nine favored McCoy over Bradford, seven went the other way.

Oklahoma earned a league-best six first-team all-conference picks, including linebacker Travis Lewis, the only freshman to make the top squad, and offensive lineman Duke Robinson, who was first-team last year, too.

Missouri has five first-teamers, as did Texas Tech.

Only three players were unanimous choices: Texas Tech receiver Michael Crabtree, Oklahoma State running back Kendall Hunter and Texas defensive lineman Brian Orakpo, who also was the defensive player of the year. This was Crabtree's second straight season as a unanimous pick.

Missouri Tigers Jeremy Maclin was a first-teamer at two spots, receiver and all-purpose, which accounts for his elusiveness as a returner. He was a unanimous first-teamer at all-purpose last season. His teammates Sean Weatherspoon, a linebacker, and kicker Jeff Wolfert are returning first-teamers. Weatherspoon is the only defensive player back from last year's first team.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.



How do you win POY but not 1st team QB? :laugh2: He wasn't even named on 3 ballots. This is one strange year.
 

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Danny White;2462154 said:
I'm more curious why Sam wasn't POY. ;)

Exactly. The numbers speak for themselves on Bradford's superiority in every category below...

Colt McCoy, Texas, QB, Jr.
Season: 291-of-375 passing, 3,445 yards, 32 TDs, 7 INTs; 128 rushes, 576 yards, 10 TDs.


Sam Bradford, Oklahoma, QB, Soph.
Season: 268-of-393 passing, 4,080 yards, 46 TDs, 6 INTs; 39 rushes, 58 yards, 5 TDs


Bradford has 51 TDs for the season and more passing yards and fewer INTs.
 

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Because Colt was essentially the Longhorns running back as well. He was their running game. He almost plays two positions, so as a football player he is more valuable to his team. Judged just for passing stats then Colt is lagging behind Bradford and Harrell, too. Obviously, Colt as QB does both things so you can't literally separate both aspects of his game, but you can for awards. It seems like a reasonable distribution of the awards to me.
 

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If your going to make a case for POY based on statistics, then it's probably Harrell. He has more yards by a significant margin, he has fewer TDs but still 47, more completions and the same record so, it's probably him if you just look at stats.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2462318 said:
If your going to make a case for POY based on statistics, then it's probably Harrell. He has more yards by a significant margin, he has fewer TDs but still 47, more completions and the same record so, it's probably him if you just look at stats.

Actually, no. The only thing he does have is more yards but his completion percentage is under Colt's.
 

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the same reason why player A wins the Heisman but doesn't win the best QB of the year award and vise-versa
 

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Rowdy;2462375 said:
Actually, no. The only thing he does have is more yards but his completion percentage is under Colt's.


The previous post was actually in response to the comparison between Bradford and Colt. Bradford has bigger stats but if your going to base the selection on stats, then it probably would should go to Harrell. His stats are better then anybody else's in the confrence IMO.
 

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Voters are so dumb.

Put Sam with Texas and Colt with OU and OU is still undefeated right now.

Colt was the MVP and best player in this conference this year.

Sam had guys that made a lot of plays for him and never got pulled late in games like Colt did.
 

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Rowdy;2462215 said:
Exactly. The numbers speak for themselves on Bradford's superiority in every category below...

Colt McCoy, Texas, QB, Jr.
Season: 291-of-375 passing, 3,445 yards, 32 TDs, 7 INTs; 128 rushes, 576 yards, 10 TDs.


Sam Bradford, Oklahoma, QB, Soph.
Season: 268-of-393 passing, 4,080 yards, 46 TDs, 6 INTs; 39 rushes, 58 yards, 5 TDs


Bradford has 51 TDs for the season and more passing yards and fewer INTs.

Obligatory 45-35 here... Apparently numbers only matter when your guy gets slighted...

Decent OU fans realize that either player deserve to win POY... ;)
 

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trickblue;2462712 said:
Obligatory 45-35 here... Apparently numbers only matter when your guy gets slighted...

Decent OU fans realize that either player deserve to win POY... ;)

I think your biggest problem is your gross assuming into things that simply aren't there. OU didn't get slighted. I'm into numbers always so point out to me where I think numbers don't matter. Numbers matter when figuring the Heisman. Numbers matter when figuring out BCS rankings. Numbers matter in any sport. Its the entire essence of it.


I think you have an insecurity issue with this whole BCS thing and it has made your brain cloudy.:laugh2:
 

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Rowdy;2462746 said:
I think your biggest problem is your gross assuming into things that simply aren't there. OU didn't get slighted. I'm into numbers always so point out to me where I think numbers don't matter. Numbers matter when figuring the Heisman. Numbers matter when figuring out BCS rankings. Numbers matter in any sport. Its the entire essence of it.


I think you have an insecurity issue with this whole BCS thing and it has made your brain cloudy.:laugh2:

I never said OU got slighted, but you think Bradford did because of his numbers...

and numbers matter when it is 45-35... it, too is a stat... :D
 

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CATCH17;2462564 said:
Voters are so dumb.

Put Sam with Texas and Colt with OU and OU is still undefeated right now.

Colt was the MVP and best player in this conference this year.

Sam had guys that made a lot of plays for him and never got pulled late in games like Colt did.

Really? So with that reasoning, Bradford should have his entire year's worth of stats thrown out due to the other talent on the team? So if Texas had more talent to "ease" the burden off of Colt, then he wouldn't appear as much as a game saver? Please. :rolleyes:

"Voters are so dumb." Ok, so you tell me how anyone is to win anything without being "voted" for a trophy? What makes your statement that Colt is MVP credible but everyone else in college football who outvotes you is dumb?
 

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trickblue;2462750 said:
I never said OU got slighted, but you think Bradford did because of his numbers...

and numbers matter when it is 45-35... it, too is a stat... :D

So now I think Bradford got slighted? Interesting since the last I checked, I never thought that. If Colt wins then good for him. Oh and by the way, 66-28 is a great stat too. Its how bad we beat the guys that
gave you a fat "1" in the L column. Remember that one? :lmao:
 

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Rowdy;2462764 said:
Really? So with that reasoning, Bradford should have his entire year's worth of stats thrown out due to the other talent on the team? So if Texas had more talent to "ease" the burden off of Colt, then he wouldn't appear as much as a game saver? Please. :rolleyes:

"Voters are so dumb." Ok, so you tell me how anyone is to win anything without being "voted" for a trophy? What makes your statement that Colt is MVP credible but everyone else in college football who outvotes you is dumb?

Because I watch the damn games.

Bradford is having a great year. But a blind man can see that Texas without Colt is a 2nd rate team.

OU could roll in a lot of different players and have success because of how well that offense is overall.

OU's Oline gives Bradford more time to throw than any Oline in the nation. They are the best at pass blocking.

Combine that in a conference that doesn't play defense and you're going to have success.
 

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CATCH17;2462847 said:
Because I watch the damn games.

No offense, but I asked you how can you discredit all these college football voters and yet state your own credibility and you come back with that? So these voters live on an island with orange soda flowing and vote by flipping coconut shells?
 

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Rowdy;2462781 said:
So now I think Bradford got slighted? Interesting since the last I checked, I never thought that. If Colt wins then good for him. Oh and by the way, 66-28 is a great stat too. Its how bad we beat the guys that
gave you a fat "1" in the L column. Remember that one? :lmao:

Remember who gave you your big fat 1 in the "L" column... and it was a neutral site...

That's like saying... well you kicked my arse, but I kicked his arse and he kicked yours... so I'm tougher than you... ;)

btw... you were the one saying Bradford was better in every category than McCoy... is that not saying Bradford was slighted?
 

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trickblue;2462924 said:
Remember who gave you your big fat 1 in the "L" column... and it was a neutral site...

That's like saying... well you kicked my arse, but I kicked his arse and he kicked yours... so I'm tougher than you... ;)

btw... you were the one saying Bradford was better in every category than McCoy... is that not saying Bradford was slighted?

Not at all. If you go back to the beginning, someone stated he didn't understand why Bradford didn't get it. I was just agreeing and then posted his yearly stats to express why I agreed. But I dont think he got slighted. The votes have been counted and Colt got it. Im happy for him.
 

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you can't really use stats to make the case. Colt IS the longhorns. This team severely overachieved because of Colt.

Bradford is playing with a bunch of NFL Draft picks on his offense.

and also, colt only plays 3 quarters a game ;)
 

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thekavorka;2462950 said:
you can't really use stats to make the case. Colt IS the longhorns. This team severely overachieved because of Colt.

Bradford is playing with a bunch of NFL Draft picks on his offense.

and also, colt only plays 3 quarter a game ;)

The only point I made about this is it shouldn't affect any player's ability to get the Heisman. If Bradford or anyone else puts up huge numbers along with the wins, then that person should be considered as well. Otherwise, a true Heisman candidate will never win it unless hes on a team that doesn't play that well and said candidate has to pick up everyone else's slack. If Bradford is the better player, then the slack he would have to pick up is non-existant, should this discredit him then?

Either way, I would agree that either candidate is deserving.
 
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