Colt wins Big12 POY but not 1st team QB?

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thekavorka;2462950 said:
you can't really use stats to make the case. Colt IS the longhorns. This team severely overachieved because of Colt.

Bradford is playing with a bunch of NFL Draft picks on his offense.

and also, colt only plays 3 quarter a game ;)

Bingo.

If I didn't watch the damn games and only looked at Stats i'd vote Bradford over McCoy.
 

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Rowdy;2462932 said:
Not at all. If you go back to the beginning, someone stated he didn't understand why Bradford didn't get it. I was just agreeing and then posted his yearly stats to express why I agreed. But I dont think he got slighted. The votes have been counted and Colt got it. Im happy for him.

You said you agree that Bradford should be POY... I said I think UT should be in the Big 12 Championship game...

So why then can I not post that I agree with this stat, 45-35, and be accused of not being a decent UT fan?

You said his stats show he is better in every category. 45-35 shows Texas is better in the category that matters most. We are talking the same language here... for once...
 

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trickblue;2462983 said:
You said you agree that Bradford should be POY... I said I think UT should be in the Big 12 Championship game...

So why then can I not post that I agree with this stat, 45-35, and be accused of not being a decent UT fan?

You said his stats show he is better in every category. 45-35 shows Texas is better in the category that matters most. We are talking the same language here... for once...

The major difference is the fact that I believe based on an entire season's grouping of stats, that includes EVERY game this season, Bradford should win.

You make a statement based on only one part of the BCS formula. If the BCS ranking system was based only on that and OU was in front, then you would have a case, but otherwise you have to ride along like the rest of us in this crappy system.

Nobody's refuting that Texas played OU and won this season but that simply isn't enough. At least some fans here like mc Kaos and such dont like the fact that Texas isn't moving forward but fans like him at least agree that OU is deserving as well. Either Texas or OU should be moving forward. Thats the difference between us-you just see your team and thats it. So far I havent see you state that Bradford or OU is worthy enough to be anywhere at all this season for anything.
 

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Rowdy;2463016 said:
The major difference is the fact that I believe based on an entire season's grouping of stats, that includes EVERY game this season, Bradford should win.

You make a statement based on only one part of the BCS formula. If the BCS ranking system was based only on that and OU was in front, then you would have a case, but otherwise you have to ride along like the rest of us in this crappy system.

Nobody's refuting that Texas played OU and won this season but that simply isn't enough. At least some fans here like mc Kaos and such dont like the fact that Texas isn't moving forward but fans like him at least agree that OU is deserving as well. Either Texas or OU should be moving forward. Thats the difference between us-you just see your team and thats it. So far I havent see you state that Bradford or OU is worthy enough to be anywhere at all this season for anything.

I see OU as a worthy #2... if UT was #1...

The stats I see are both teams have one loss. In the two teams that are legitimately vying for the Big 12 title, one beat the other...

Why do I have to stroke Bradford to have a relevant opinion on the OU/UT issue? He is obviously a great college QB with a likely future in the NFL.

Just because I don't agree with your opinion or others doesn't mean I can't have a legitimate one. You've made it clear that those that don't see it your way aren't "decent Texas fans". The difference between you and me is that if the tables were reversed, I would easily say OU should be in over UT. I absolutely don't agree that OU should be there in any way as they lost to a team ranked higher already for beating them. My opinion would be consistent going the other way were the situation reversed. I was brought up to believe barring a fluke win, the team that beat the other is the best and more deserving team. It's simple logic really, and you don't have to work numbers and points scored around to plead your case.

You happen to be the one rabidly going after UT fans that don't agree with you. You work with numbers... I'll stick with logic...

Oh... and I am a UT fan... and A&M... and TT... and Baylor... etc... and any other team in the state of Texas that isn't Sam Houston State. I don't have "one team" so perhaps I see things clearer than yourself... ;)
 

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Rowdy;2463016 said:
The major difference is the fact that I believe based on an entire season's grouping of stats, that includes EVERY game this season, Bradford should win.

You make a statement based on only one part of the BCS formula. If the BCS ranking system was based only on that and OU was in front, then you would have a case, but otherwise you have to ride along like the rest of us in this crappy system.

Nobody's refuting that Texas played OU and won this season but that simply isn't enough. At least some fans here like mc Kaos and such dont like the fact that Texas isn't moving forward but fans like him at least agree that OU is deserving as well. Either Texas or OU should be moving forward. Thats the difference between us-you just see your team and thats it. So far I havent see you state that Bradford or OU is worthy enough to be anywhere at all this season for anything.


Here is what I would say. If you put Colt in OU's offense, he would put up the same kind of numbers he has at Texas or maybe better. If you put Bradford at Texas, he's probably on the Shelf for the season by now. If your asking me which player is more deserving, I'm gonna say McCoy based on that single fact. Harrell, well, he's a little different case but if it's between Colt and Bradford, I think you gotta give it to Colt.
 

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trickblue;2463055 said:
I see OU as a worthy #2... if UT was #1...

The stats I see are both teams have one loss. In the two teams that are legitimately vying for the Big 12 title, one beat the other...

Why do I have to stroke Bradford to have a relevant opinion on the OU/UT issue? He is obviously a great college QB with a likely future in the NFL.

Just because I don't agree with your opinion or others doesn't mean I can't have a legitimate one. You've made it clear that those that don't see it your way aren't "decent Texas fans". The difference between you and me is that if the tables were reversed, I would easily say OU should be in over UT. I absolutely don't agree that OU should be there in any way as they lost to a team ranked higher already for beating them. My opinion would be consistent going the other way were the situation reversed. I was brought up to believe barring a fluke win, the team that beat the other is the best and more deserving team. It's simple logic really, and you don't have to work numbers and points scored around to plead your case.

You happen to be the one rabidly going after UT fans that don't agree with you. You work with numbers... I'll stick with logic...

Oh... and I am a UT fan... and A&M... and TT... and Baylor... etc... and any other team in the state of Texas that isn't Sam Houston State. I don't have "one team" so perhaps I see things clearer than yourself... ;)


Not true. I said those who can't be reasonable towards other team's talent levels. You would be surprised if you really knew how much importance I place the OU Sooners in my life. You don't see me spouting "Texas Sucks" or "Haha Texas". I have only gone after people such as yourself who have incessantly whined about the fact that OU does not deserve to be where they are.

Like I said previously, there are a lot of Texas fans who state, "I feel burned this year but OU is a good team and if we aren't in there, then I could see where they (or any other team)should be there representing the Big 12 other than us." You on the other hand act like there is no way on earth we should be remotely where we are.

I am not going after anyone who does not agree. I hardly think I will find a lot of people on a Cowboys forum who will see my side so that would be a moot point. I have only gone back and forth with you because you and Catch and a couple others think one game entitles your shoe-in to the Championship game and I was just sticking to the facts that there is more to a ranking than one game. Call me guilty for doing that but not because we dont agree. :)
 

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Rowdy;2463066 said:
Not true. I said those who can't be reasonable towards other team's talent levels. You would be surprised if you really knew how much importance I place the OU Sooners in my life. You don't see me spouting "Texas Sucks" or "Haha Texas". I have only gone after people such as yourself who have incessantly whined about the fact that OU does not deserve to be where they are.

Like I said previously, there are a lot of Texas fans who state, "I feel burned this year but OU is a good team and if we aren't in there, then I could see where they (or any other team)should be there representing the Big 12 other than us." You on the other hand act like there is no way on earth we should be remotely where we are.

I am not going after anyone who does not agree. I hardly think I will find a lot of people on a Cowboys forum who will see my side so that would be a moot point. I have only gone back and forth with you because you and Catch and a couple others think one game entitles your shoe-in to the Championship game and I was just sticking to the facts that there is more to a ranking than one game. Call me guilty for doing that but not because we dont agree. :)

Well, here's the problem with this. If you take out the Tech game, does OU get consideration for the Big12? I mean, I do understand what you are saying and I don't dispute that OU is a good team. They are not better then Texas IMO but they are good team. Now, having said this, if you take out that Tech game, does OU get the nod? I think you have to agree that the answer is no. So, if we have confirmed this, then essentially, OU is in the very same boat. It's not the body of work. It's that single game that has made all the difference for OU. We believe we are better and we believe that if there was an opportunity to show it, we would show it again. Unfortunatly, that opportunity will not come and so, we are forced to live with the situtation we are currently in. What sucks is that the Tech game got more consideration then our game. All things equal, I just don't see how it should have but hey, it's pretty well established that I do have a horse in this race so you know, there's that. :laugh2:
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2463082 said:
Well, here's the problem with this. If you take out the Tech game, does OU get consideration for the Big12? I mean, I do understand what you are saying and I don't dispute that OU is a good team. They are not better then Texas IMO but they are good team. Now, having said this, if you take out that Tech game, does OU get the nod? I think you have to agree that the answer is no. So, if we have confirmed this, then essentially, OU is in the very same boat. It's not the body of work. It's that single game that has made all the difference for OU. We believe we are better and we believe that if there was an opportunity to show it, we would show it again. Unfortunatly, that opportunity will not come and so, we are forced to live with the situtation we are currently in. What sucks is that the Tech game got more consideration then our game. All things equal, I just don't see how it should have but hey, it's pretty well established that I do have a horse in this race so you know, there's that. :laugh2:


Are you serious? One game can make the difference in college football for ANY team. You dont lose to TT and we wouldnt have had this talk. OU doesnt lose to Texas and we dont have this talk. The fact is you are stuck on one game and I look at the season overall. I look for example at the fact that you guys struggled AT HOME against OSU and we went in to their house and took the game by 20.

Guess we will just not see each other's side and that's ok by me.:)
 

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CATCH17;2462564 said:
Voters are so dumb.

Put Sam with Texas and Colt with OU and OU is still undefeated right now.

Colt was the MVP and best player in this conference this year.

Sam had guys that made a lot of plays for him and never got pulled late in games like Colt did.

I heard on sports radio today that Sam has sat for 2 1/2 hours worth of playing time this season.

You saying Texas doesn't have playmakers? Catch, you're pretty funny.

I'll stick with Sam on OU with a healthy D. Murray anyday of the week. Colt is awesome, but he's definitely no better than Bradford.
 

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Would you look at all the crying in here? Trick I swear bro. How on earth do you get all caught up in the SAME ARGUMENT again? :lmao:


ABQ - I can understand, but you?


You guys basically are saying the same things you said in the other thread. You only moved houses. :D


My gosh.

I miss DallasCowpoke and Hank. At least they can give and take and actually see both sides of this argument. But you Nancies just want to argue for arguings sake.
 

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Rowdy;2463091 said:
Are you serious? One game can make the difference in college football for ANY team. You dont lose to TT and we wouldnt have had this talk. OU doesnt lose to Texas and we dont have this talk. The fact is you are stuck on one game and I look at the season overall. I look for example at the fact that you guys struggled AT HOME against OSU and we went in to their house and took the game by 20.

Guess we will just not see each other's side and that's ok by me.:)

But wait... you said Texas fans were only seeing one game... now you are espousing how important one game can be... ABQ has a point... :D
 

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Dallas;2463108 said:
Would you look at all the crying in here? Trick I swear bro. How on earth do you get all caught up in the SAME ARGUMENT again? :lmao:


ABQ - I can understand, but you?


You guys basically are saying the same things you said in the other thread. You only moved houses. :D


My gosh.

I miss DallasCowpoke and Hank. At least they can give and take and actually see both sides of this argument. But you Nancies just want to argue for arguings sake.

As I said... head to head is most important to me. Had OU beat UT and UT jumped ahead of them, I would argue OU's case all day long...

That's just me...
 

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Rowdy;2463091 said:
Are you serious? One game can make the difference in college football for ANY team. You dont lose to TT and we wouldnt have had this talk. OU doesnt lose to Texas and we dont have this talk. The fact is you are stuck on one game and I look at the season overall. I look for example at the fact that you guys struggled AT HOME against OSU and we went in to their house and took the game by 20.

Guess we will just not see each other's side and that's ok by me.:)

This is crazy. I mean, you didn't exactly stomp Kansas, who is not a very good football team, and we handled them pretty easily. Tech should have lost to Nebraska and Nebraska is not good. YOu say that we struggled against OSU, which really isn't true IMO. Close game but we put up 504 yards on them. The game was really not as close as the score IMO. I mean, it's fine. We won and it was close but see, that's the thing. Everybody acts like the game in Norman was some huge beat down. It wasn't. You guys got some pretty lucky breaks in that game and it was very close, right up till about 7 minutes to go. That game was much closer then the score IMO. Not soure grapes or being a homer. I watched that game and it was close right up to the end. OU gets so much credit for scoring 60 but nobody gives UT credit for playing good strong defense during that same stretch where OU is scoring all those points. I just don't think you can say that because OU can score well, they are the better team. We are, by far, the stronger defensive team. OU can not stop our offense but we can stop yours. I'm not saying hold you to 7 points but we are good enough to hold down OU because we've shown we can. For whatever reason, that point just seems like it never gets acknowledged. All these guys who are voting are voting off of the Tech game. That's the truth.

Doesn't matter. OU gets the nod to go and we don't
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2463147 said:
This is crazy. I mean, you didn't exactly stomp Kansas, who is not a very good football team, and we handled them pretty easily. Tech should have lost to Nebraska and Nebraska is not good. YOu say that we struggled against OSU, which really isn't true IMO. Close game but we put up 504 yards on them. The game was really not as close as the score IMO. I mean, it's fine. We won and it was close but see, that's the thing. Everybody acts like the game in Norman was some huge beat down. It wasn't. You guys got some pretty lucky breaks in that game and it was very close, right up till about 7 minutes to go. That game was much closer then the score IMO. Not soure grapes or being a homer. I watched that game and it was close right up to the end. OU gets so much credit for scoring 60 but nobody gives UT credit for playing good strong defense during that same stretch where OU is scoring all those points. I just don't think you can say that because OU can score well, they are the better team. We are, by far, the stronger defensive team. OU can not stop our offense but we can stop yours. I'm not saying hold you to 7 points but we are good enough to hold down OU because we've shown we can. For whatever reason, that point just seems like it never gets acknowledged. All these guys who are voting are voting off of the Tech game. That's the truth.

Doesn't matter. OU gets the nod to go and we don't


You know if Texas had a better out of conference schedule this year, we wouldnt be having this conversation? Even w/ the Big12 tie-breaker the way it is.

Florida Atlantic-UTEP-Rice to start off the year didn't help Texas at all.
 

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Dallas;2463174 said:
You know if Texas had a better out of conference schedule this year, we wouldnt be having this conversation? Even w/ the Big12 tie-breaker the way it is.

Florida Atlantic-UTEP-Rice to start off the year didn't help Texas at all.

No it didn't. I agree. I got no beef with that. Having said that, the schedules are picked years in advance.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2463147 said:
This is crazy. I mean, you didn't exactly stomp Kansas, who is not a very good football team, and we handled them pretty easily. Tech should have lost to Nebraska and Nebraska is not good. YOu say that we struggled against OSU, which really isn't true IMO. Close game but we put up 504 yards on them. The game was really not as close as the score IMO. I mean, it's fine. We won and it was close but see, that's the thing. Everybody acts like the game in Norman was some huge beat down. It wasn't. You guys got some pretty lucky breaks in that game and it was very close, right up till about 7 minutes to go. That game was much closer then the score IMO. Not soure grapes or being a homer. I watched that game and it was close right up to the end. OU gets so much credit for scoring 60 but nobody gives UT credit for playing good strong defense during that same stretch where OU is scoring all those points. I just don't think you can say that because OU can score well, they are the better team. We are, by far, the stronger defensive team. OU can not stop our offense but we can stop yours. I'm not saying hold you to 7 points but we are good enough to hold down OU because we've shown we can. For whatever reason, that point just seems like it never gets acknowledged. All these guys who are voting are voting off of the Tech game. That's the truth.

Doesn't matter. OU gets the nod to go and we don't

Hopefully you will find that yes, I'm happy OU is going forward like any fan would be for their team, but also realize that this is only a deep discussion as far as I'm concerned and have no issues with some of you Texas 45-35 fans. :p:

I know we really won't agree on this year so let's get through this one and look forward to having a more clear cut ranking next year whoever deserves to be there. The one issue I really think is screwy is the rankings set up at the beginning of the year. Some teams only have to sit tight and others have to work harder.
 

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Rowdy;2463371 said:
Hopefully you will find that yes, I'm happy OU is going forward like any fan would be for their team, but also realize that this is only a deep discussion as far as I'm concerned and have no issues with some of you Texas 45-35 fans. :p:

I know we really won't agree on this year so let's get through this one and look forward to having a more clear cut ranking next year whoever deserves to be there. The one issue I really think is screwy is the rankings set up at the beginning of the year. Some teams only have to sit tight and others have to work harder.

I think that apparently you do... at least with the non-decent ones...
 

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trickblue;2463378 said:
I think that apparently you do... at least with the non-decent ones...

Of course you think I do. You've stated multiple times what I think.
 

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Rowdy;2463485 said:
Of course you think I do. You've stated multiple times what I think.

Just keepin' it real, dog... ;)
 
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