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[Khartun]

I like Rodgers but those guys constantly gushing over him was sickening. They sounded like he had already won 3 Super Bowls.

 

[chicago JK]

Packer fans have a lot to be excited about. They look impressive...even without a few key players. That offense is going to be hard to contain. And if there defese can continue to create turnovers they will even be more lethal.

I read that their defensive coordinator typically has a drop back year in his second season with a team. Which is odd because you would think the transition to a 3-4 in the first year would be the toughest. Although the Packers have good places in piece on D as well.

 

[jswalker1981]

Dude, what makes your argument laughable is that you are contradicting your own self. In your previous post, you named the top 5 QBs in the NFL as Brady, Manning, Brees, Rogers and Phillup Rivers. You said Romo as an "average franchise QB".

Rivers career completion %.......63.1
Romo's...................................63.4

Rivers career passer rating........95.8
Romo's...................................95.6

Rivers total career TD passes.....106
Romo's....................................107


Their completion percentage is almost identical, their passer ratings are almost identical, and their TD passes are almost identical. These are the 3 most important stats for QBs.

Yet you claim Rivers is "top 5" and Romo is not. Would you like to explain to the board how you came to this conclusion since the statistics do not support your claim. What exactly are you basing this conclusion on other than just your own personal opinion, because the stats say Romo and Rivers are almost identical Qbs. So how can the stats be identical and you say one is top 5 and the other isnt????

:signmast:

 

[jswalker1981]

I like Rodgers but those guys constantly gushing over him was sickening. They sounded like he had already won 3 Super Bowls.

What annoys me is that some people bash Romo to justify their love of Rodgers. If you like Rodgers over Romo, fine. But you don't have to act like Romo is a half-*** average QB.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Rodgers didn't fumble a hold for a potential game winning fg

No he just fumbled in overtime in the playoffs, which Karlos Dansby scooped up for the game winning touchdown. You probably wouldn't remember that becuase ESPN doesn't replay it 100000 times during the offseason like they do Romo's dropped field goal.

Maybe it's just a case of dog bites man, because Rodgers fumbles the ball so often ... a whopping 19 times in his two years as a starter. To go along with a mindboggling 84 sacks in the last two years as a starter, because he holds onto the ball FOORRREEEEVVVVVEEERRRRRRR. Even his coaches call him out on it (see below). People go on and on about how he doesn't throw many interceptions or incomplete passes ... yeah, because he waits and waits and waits and doesn't pull the trigger unless a guy is outrageously wide open. The sacks don't count against his QB rating and efficiency stats, and neither do the fumbles. They still kill drives all the same and count as turnovers, which is maybe why he barely has a .500 record as a starter even though he inherited a 13-3 team.

He's 7-9 in his career on the road. Those 7 wins came vs. teams that were a combined 29-83 and one of those wins was vs. a Cardinal team last year resting their starters in the last game of the season. The teams he beat on the road: Rams, Lions, Browns, Bears, Cards, Lions, Seahawks. Romo has a career 19-8 road record. If you want to put up a lot of gawdy stats on the Lions and Bears and Rams (he played ridiculously a schedule of ridiculously bad pass defenses last year), Rodgers is your man. If you want to go into a tough environment on the road and win a game when the chips are down .. not so much.


Mike McCarthy after the Vikings sacked Rodgers 8 times in one game...

There's definitely some that fell on the quarterback and the protection unit. A number of them could have been avoided, clearly. He had some plays that he's gonna wish he had back. We didn't call a lot of plays where we were holding the ball. That was part of the design. When you play up there in that noise, they're playing a little bit downhill on you when they know it's a pass. I think that's evident to everybody. Holding the ball sometimes is not what we want to do.

He only has three reads in the whole offense. He has what we refer to as a pure progression read, where you create a triangle with the pass concept, and I tell him exactly who 1, 2 and 3 are. You either throw it to 1, 2 or 3. The second read is the progression or an option. You throw it to 1, 2 or 3, or there's an option built in based on the coverage. And the third read is what we refer to as a PSL, pre-snap look, that tells you to work one side or the other. So when you stay in tune with that, the time clock fits, and it's tied to the protection. Those are the types of things that are very basic...They did some different things with their coverage as far as holding their safeties and things. But you have to trust the read, trust the read, and that didn't happen all the time.

 

[brucekr]

No he just fumbled in overtime in the playoffs, which Karlos Dansby scooped up for the game winning touchdown. You probably wouldn't remember that becuase ESPN doesn't replay it 100000 times during the offseason like they do Romo's dropped field goal.

Maybe it's just a case of dog bites man, because Rodgers fumbles the ball so often ... a whopping 19 times in his two years as a starter. To go along with a mindboggling 84 sacks in the last two years as a starter, because he holds onto the ball FOORRREEEEVVVVVEEERRRRRRR. Even his coaches call him out on it. People go on and on about how he doesn't throw many interceptions or incompletions ... yeah, because he waits and waits and waits and doesn't throw the ball. The sacks don't count against his QB rating and efficiency stats, and neither do the fumbles. They still kill drives all the same, which is why he barely has a .500 record as a starter, even though he inherited a 13-3 team.

He's 7-9 in his career on the road. Those 7 wins came vs. teams that were a combined 29-83 and one of those wins was vs. a Cardinal team last year resting their starters in the last game of the season. The teams he beat on the road: Rams, Lions, Browns, Bears, Cards, Lions, Seahawks. Romo has a career 19-8 road record.

If you want to put up a lot of gawdy stats on the Lions and Bears, Rodgers is your man. If you want to go into a tough environment on the road and win a game when the chips are down .. not so much.

I like your style. I'm so ready for the regular season.

 

[Idgit]

Preseason performance is indicative of *nothing*. Why must we go through this every year, with even the smart posters getting sucked in eventually?

 

[InmanRoshi]

Preseason performance is indicative of *nothing*. Why must we go through this every year, with even the smart posters getting sucked in eventually?

So I guess you're not watching a single Cowboys preseason game, since it's a complete waste of time and you can't read anything into them?

 

[Idgit]

So I guess you're not watching a single Cowboys preseason game, since it's a complete waste of time and you can't read anything into them?

No, I watch them. Because they're fun. But I don't make the mistake of thinking they're indicative of anything. Because they're not.

 

[zrinkill]

Just watch the two of them play.Romo is a very good QB. Rodgers is a special player. it's not about that they have won right now. it's about upside.every team in the NFL would take Rodgers over Romo in my opinion. i even think the Cowboys would. Rodgers is that good.

I see cowboyrock is still in love....

 

[ryanbabs]

No he just fumbled in overtime in the playoffs, which Karlos Dansby scooped up for the game winning touchdown. You probably wouldn't remember that becuase ESPN doesn't replay it 100000 times during the offseason like they do Romo's dropped field goal.

Maybe it's just a case of dog bites man, because Rodgers fumbles the ball so often ... a whopping 19 times in his two years as a starter. To go along with a mindboggling 84 sacks in the last two years as a starter, because he holds onto the ball FOORRREEEEVVVVVEEERRRRRRR. Even his coaches call him out on it (see below). People go on and on about how he doesn't throw many interceptions or incomplete passes ... yeah, because he waits and waits and waits and doesn't pull the trigger unless a guy is outrageously wide open. The sacks don't count against his QB rating and efficiency stats, and neither do the fumbles. They still kill drives all the same and count as turnovers, which is maybe why he barely has a .500 record as a starter even though he inherited a 13-3 team.

He's 7-9 in his career on the road. Those 7 wins came vs. teams that were a combined 29-83 and one of those wins was vs. a Cardinal team last year resting their starters in the last game of the season. The teams he beat on the road: Rams, Lions, Browns, Bears, Cards, Lions, Seahawks. Romo has a career 19-8 road record. If you want to put up a lot of gawdy stats on the Lions and Bears and Rams (he played ridiculously a schedule of ridiculously bad pass defenses last year), Rodgers is your man. If you want to go into a tough environment on the road and win a game when the chips are down .. not so much.


Mike McCarthy after the Vikings sacked Rodgers 8 times in one game...

Thank you for the information. Rodgers has to be one of the most overrated players to ever put on a uniform. What did he do against us last year (even though we lost). How many points did they score on their field against a decent defense? Preseason defense...gimme a break.

 

[Aven8]

Rogers and GB are the scariest team in the NFL to me. I would rather play Minny and NO.

They are young and fast.

 

[InmanRoshi]

If Romo were this "clutch" in the playoffs he would get as much adoration as Rodgers does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-jXI302iOs

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I read that their defensive coordinator typically has a drop back year in his second season with a team. Which is odd because you would think the transition to a 3-4 in the first year would be the toughest. Although the Packers have good places in piece on D as well.

Bob Sturm is a huge Packers fan and he was saying the other day that he doesn't know why everyone is saying the D will be so much better because they really didn't add anything, lost Jolly to Tha Purple Drank, and... Well, a few other details that I don't remember because I'm not a Pack fan. But he usually knows what he's talking about.

 

[DFWJC]

Apparently, Rodgers didn't get the memo about being vanilla.

Next to next-to-last preseason game the teams do open it up some.
It's the inofficial dress reheasal game (i'm sure you knew that, but just sayin).

 

[DFWJC]

3 touchdowns in one half of a preseason game?

Yeah, Chase Daniel did the same thing a couple of nights ago.


Uh, I think I like prefer New Orleans' second year Big12 QB to ours.
We paid the top pick in round 4 and he was undrafted. Oops.

 

[FloridaRob]

I read through this and want to add a few points . First off, Rodgers had a ton of sacks early last year and there were SOME that were his fault. But the bulk of the sacks were because both of their tackles were out. As soon as Tauscher and Clifton were able to go the sacks went way down.

The Packers don't do any more game planning than any other team. Last night was the first game this year they even blitzed. Last year they did it a lot because it was new and they needed to see how the team responded.

Lastly, Rodgers is special and gifted and smart as any QB that has ever played. No he has not won a playoff game yet but before it is said and done he will have won plenty. Of all the QBs in the NFL, I would not want any other QB at the helm of the Packers. That includes Brady, Brees and Manning. Already in his second year as a starter he has broken a ton of records. HIs upside is huge and Packers fans are blessed to have this guy. It is nice to see a geniunely humble guy. The playoff wins will come. He just have to stay healthy and the defense has to do their part.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I read through this and want to add a few points . First off, Rodgers had a ton of sacks early last year and there were SOME that were his fault. But the bulk of the sacks were because both of their tackles were out. As soon as Tauscher and Clifton were able to go the sacks went way down.

It went down for a while, until he was sacked 5 times by the Cardinals in the playoffs (who won't confuse anyone with the 85 Bears). Hard to blame it all on the OL when he also took 34 sacks the year before (7th most sacked QB in the NFL). This was a phenomenal pass protecting OL the year before under Favre, only giving up 21 sacks in 613 pass attempts (Rodgers was sacked 3 times in 15 pass attempts that year, and sacked 3 times in 15 pass attempts the year before that).

Generally, elite QBs don't get sacked a lot. They process information quicky and get rid of the ball. There's a reason why Peyton is money in the bank to start 16 games every year .... he never gets hit. When you look at the list of the most sacked QBs at the end of the year, it's generally is a who's who of awfull quarterbacks. The only exceptions are Rodgers and Roethlesberger. Roethlesberger also holds onto the ball ridiculously long and takes a lot of hits and has stayed relatively injury free, but he's also got about 50 lbs. on his frame over Rodgers. I believe Rodgers is an injury waiting to happen. Everyone will claim it's bad luck, but when you're getting sacked 84 times in two years an injury isn't bad luck, it's an inevitability.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I saw the game they lost to, IIRC, Tampa, and he held the ball an absurdly long time on several sacks. No way you could blame the line for those, as it was never someone coming free and on him before he could do anything, but more like the line slowly, methodically creeping in on him until he was surrounded.

It really looked like he'd had drilled into his head "Don't throw an interception, don't throw an interception" so many times that he just ate the ball instead of taking *any* chance of throwing it.

And Florida Rob, I like you, but this

Lastly, Rodgers is special and gifted and smart as any QB that has ever played.

is funny.

 

[Bonecrusher#31]

Yeah, Chase Daniel did the same thing a couple of nights ago.


Uh, I think I like prefer New Orleans' second year Big12 QB to ours.
We paid the top pick in round 4 and he was undrafted. Oops.

Ah come on, that chubby short guy couldn't possibly be better than ours.: