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nobody said:
It's been a VERY long time since a DC film made me this optimistic. 1989 to be exact. There are aspects I'm not looking forward to (like all the extra superheroes in it) but I'm actually optimistic. And haha, that Krypto scene. You FEEL that.
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I am guessing 1989 was Tim Burton's Batman. :) For me, I cannot say the same for 2013's Man of Steel although I still greatly appreciate it more than some.

2008 is a different matter though. I was more hyped for The Dark Knight than the upcoming Superman film. I do hope it will pay off for me when I see it. Twenty or thirty minutes into TDK, I was crying, literal grown <expletive> man crying in a theater how good the adaptation felt.

These trailers have been presented really well. I think it will be a super-monster hit if James Gunn sticks to his lane and does what he does best. His sense of humor is great:

Superman Robot #4: No need to thank us, sir, as we will not appreciate it. We have no consciousness whatsoever. Merely automatons here to serve. Meet 12, she's new.

~Kal-El acknowledges her with a glance~

Superman Robot #12: ~shock laugh~ He looked at me!

Good stuff. :starspin:
 
DallasEast said:
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I can’t help but to think the images of ‘two Yelenas’ is going to happen when she’s engulfed by The Void.

And that she’s ultimately the person who will be able to reach Bob and bring him back from his path of destruction.

The group sure couldn’t stop The Sentry in any other way.
 
The Ominous said:
Wow at Daredevil tonight. Incredible stuff.
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Yeh, the last episodes of DD born again, FINALLY made up for the ho hum drum,boring dragging season that this Disney version series full of holes was clearly becoming, imo.....

Spoliers alert - I still haven't figured out who da heck is kingpin Wilson Fisk secret prisoner ..and obviously the director didn't bring anything to this prisoner that suggested that he could even fight

Spolier alert - Wish they would have upsell kingpins "task force" ..didn't see what was so exceptionally different than mere decorated cops. It was private investigation team that found the serial killer Muse, not the Task force.

Wouldn't it been better if " Muse" took on a couple which the husband was trained in martial arts ? ...we had nothing to measure/compare Muse fighting skills by....
 
DallasEast said:
I think the reference is seeing color as refracted through the atmosphere.
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For people on Earth, that's where they get the idea. But thinking back to Superman II, Zod referred to the yellow sun when they were on the moon, IIRC.
 
Runwildboys said:
For people on Earth, that's where they get the idea. But thinking back to Superman II, Zod referred to the yellow sun when they were on the moon, IIRC.
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The original Superman movies weren't really sticklers for scientific accuracy, lol. That said, it is rare whenever science fiction/fantasy movies and television series display an 'Earth-type' star as completely white in outer space. Take the star in the last few seconds of the Star Trek: Voyager intro:



It comes out of eclipse as almost completely white but it does have an ever so slight tint of yellow in its presentation. Off-topic: I first thought about only showing the last few seconds but have always loved the ST:V opening. All the scenes are so freaking beautiful with instrumental music to match.
 
DallasEast said:
I am guessing 1989 was Tim Burton's Batman. :) For me, I cannot say the same for 2013's Man of Steel although I still greatly appreciate it more than some.

2008 is a different matter though. I was more hyped for The Dark Knight than the upcoming Superman film. I do hope it will pay off for me when I see it. Twenty or thirty minutes into TDK, I was crying, literal grown <expletive> man crying in a theater how good the adaptation felt.

These trailers have been presented really well. I think it will be a super-monster hit if James Gunn sticks to his lane and does what he does best. His sense of humor is great:

Superman Robot #4: No need to thank us, sir, as we will not appreciate it. We have no consciousness whatsoever. Merely automatons here to serve. Meet 12, she's new.

~Kal-El acknowledges her with a glance~

Superman Robot #12: ~shock laugh~ He looked at me!

Good stuff. :starspin:
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Don't get me wrong, After Batman Begins, I was excited for the Dark Knight when it came out, but not that youthful nostalgia level of excitement that this Superman seems to be giving me. Older Superman comics had a fair bit of comedy thrown in and I think people forget that. All the new DC stuff took itself way too seriously, and I think the success 1989's Batman had a hand in that, but the hype for it coming out in 1989 was something else. I do have the same concern that @Runwildboys has. It looks like they might have thrown too much into it. I hope that's not the case.
 
nobody said:
Don't get me wrong, After Batman Begins, I was excited for the Dark Knight when it came out, but not that youthful nostalgia level of excitement that this Superman seems to be giving me. Older Superman comics had a fair bit of comedy thrown in and I think people forget that. All the new DC stuff took itself way too seriously, and I think the success 1989's Batman had a hand in that, but the hype for it coming out in 1989 was something else. I do have the same concern that @Runwildboys has. It looks like they might have thrown too much into it. I hope that's not the case.
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Bold> I was a weekly, full-time DC and Marvel comics collector from the early-70s through mid 90's, so I do remember how comics were depicted growing up. The same is true of how the material was translated on the small and big screen, both in cartoon and live action.

I was a bit of an oddball kid. That did not change in adulthood. :p I enjoyed reading and watching shows but some never felt quite right, even when I was a child. I kept thinking all this stuff is made for kids but was it really meant to be dumbed down like this? It seemed like everything could be presented more realistically.

It was not until I was around 12 or 13 that I started researching comics' origins. This was before the internet, so I hit area libraries for the little bits of info I could find. That is when I found out how comics changed from often serious content in the 1940's to more placated material in the 1950's forward.

Reading inspires imagination. Comics are not an exception in that regard. Storywriters and artists were hampered in how they wanted to fully tell their stories. Comedy was used quite a bit to flesh out their tales of imagination, which readers used their own imagination to further enjoy in the make believe.

I always *saw* more in those stories. It made me always want more of the realism that used to be depicted in comics (guess that is one reason why I was a huge critic of cartoons like the Super Friends when no one else was lol).

As a comics fan, I was hyped for the first two Superman movies and Tim Burton's Batman. They remain relatively high on my all-time favorite list. It almost always feels extremely special for me seeing all these characters I grew up with translated into live action. However, I *see* all of them in particular way not shared seemingly by many of my fellow comics fans.

After I watched Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins, I knew there was someone finally in Hollywood who saw these stories in the same way I do. So, when I watched this calling card scene:



...I instantly tensed up like I never had before. Not as much as I had when the announcements of the Superman and Burton's Batman films. Or like I felt after hearing shows like Wonder Woman and The Incredible Hulk were coming to television.

Then there were the tidbits of info I kept hearing of Nolan's super-serious commitment for his sequel. How Heath Ledger was blowing the doors off the character. My expectations were just boiling up.

THEN I sat down in the theater and saw Nolan had totally eliminated any and all comic book/Burton-interpreted type scenery from the MOMENT the movie started. Just COMPLETELY presenting the audience with the actual Chicago buildings, streets, skyline, etc. for his Gotham. And just that initial input of real life hitting my eyeballs and tiny brain nerded me completely out. From jump.

This was the stuff I had waited my entire comic book life to see. My long rant may help some of my fellow members understand why I am not as much of a Zack Snyder critic and his Snyderverse product as others are.

I love comedy as well and want to see it thrown into every kind of movie and television series. I also want it to be smartly delivered and never dumbed down. It is why I am high on James Gunn getting it right (for me) in his film. He demonstrated his smart use of comedy in his Guardians films. You see it in his Creature Commandos animation too. He *gets* it.

Succeed or not, I want directors and producers like Gunn get their hands on these characters I love for live action depiction. In contrast, I would LOVE if directors like Taika Waititi would stay the HELL away from writing or directing anything comic book related. Thor: Ragnarok. Thor: Love and Thunder. I could strangle that guy like Homer does Bart. :banghead:

Please forgive my super long idiocy. :)
 
DallasEast said:
Bold> I was a weekly, full-time DC and Marvel comics collector from the early-70s through mid 90's, so I do remember how comics were depicted growing up. The same is true of how the material was translated on the small and big screen, both in cartoon and live action.

I was a bit of an oddball kid. That did not change in adulthood. :p I enjoyed reading and watching shows but some never felt quite right, even when I was a child. I kept thinking all this stuff is made for kids but was it really meant to be dumbed down like this? It seemed like everything could be presented more realistically.

It was not until I was around 12 or 13 that I started researching comics' origins. This was before the internet, so I hit area libraries for the little bits of info I could find. That is when I found out how comics changed from often serious content in the 1940's to more placated material in the 1950's forward.

Reading inspires imagination. Comics are not an exception in that regard. Storywriters and artists were hampered in how they wanted to fully tell their stories. Comedy was used quite a bit to flesh out their tales of imagination, which readers used their own imagination to further enjoy in the make believe.

I always *saw* more in those stories. It made me always want more of the realism that used to be depicted in comics (guess that is one reason why I was a huge critic of cartoons like the Super Friends when no one else was lol).

As a comics fan, I was hyped for the first two Superman movies and Tim Burton's Batman. They remain relatively high on my all-time favorite list. It almost always feels extremely special for me seeing all these characters I grew up with translated into live action. However, I *see* all of them in particular way not shared seemingly by many of my fellow comics fans.

After I watched Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins, I knew there was someone finally in Hollywood who saw these stories in the same way I do. So, when I watched this calling card scene:



...I instantly tensed up like I never had before. Not as much as I had when the announcements of the Superman and Burton's Batman films. Or like I felt after hearing shows like Wonder Woman and The Incredible Hulk were coming to television.

Then there were the tidbits of info I kept hearing of Nolan's super-serious commitment for his sequel. How Heath Ledger was blowing the doors off the character. My expectations were just boiling up.

THEN I sat down in the theater and saw Nolan had totally eliminated any and all comic book/Burton-interpreted type scenery from the MOMENT the movie started. Just COMPLETELY presenting the audience with the actual Chicago buildings, streets, skyline, etc. for his Gotham. And just that initial input of real life hitting my eyeballs and tiny brain nerded me completely out. From jump.

This was the stuff I had waited my entire comic book life to see. My long rant may help some of my fellow members understand why I am not as much of a Zack Snyder critic and his Snyderverse product as others are.

I love comedy as well and want to see it thrown into every kind of movie and television series. I also want it to be smartly delivered and never dumbed down. It is why I am high on James Gunn getting it right (for me) in his film. He demonstrated his smart use of comedy in his Guardians films. You see it in his Creature Commandos animation too. He *gets* it.

Succeed or not, I want directors and producers like Gunn get their hands on these characters I love for live action depiction. In contrast, I would LOVE if directors like Taika Waititi would stay the HELL away from writing or directing anything comic book related. Thor: Ragnarok. Thor: Love and Thunder. I could strangle that guy like Homer does Bart. :banghead:

Please forgive my super long idiocy. :)
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haha, nah, I get it. Some of the ones that take themselves seriously are good, some are bad. Ones that inject a LITTLE humor are good. Ones that go full humor are not. Most of the early Marvel movies in the MCU had the right amount of comedy for their respective heroes. Guardians was a great fit for their content. Snyder's Superman was an abysmal failure for capturing the essence of the Superman mythos and concept. Was it more edgy and serious and "realistic"? Perhaps. Was it good? An emphatic no for me. This new one seems to be somewhere in the middle from what I see, so I'm encouraged by Gunn. For a serious comic movie series, the (first two) Bale Batman movies were darn near perfect. But I didn't have that childlike wonder for them in waiting for them to come out. This new Superman is giving me back a bit of that. That's all I'm saying.


As far as realism in comic adaptations, it's hard to top Daredevil and Daredevil: Born Again. But he's a street level hero. Something like Superman HAS to be taken with a lighter tone given the absurdity of the concept.
 
nobody said:
haha, nah, I get it. Some of the ones that take themselves seriously are good, some are bad. Ones that inject a LITTLE humor are good. Ones that go full humor are not. Most of the early Marvel movies in the MCU had the right amount of comedy for their respective heroes. Guardians was a great fit for their content. Snyder's Superman was an abysmal failure for capturing the essence of the Superman mythos and concept. Was it more edgy and serious and "realistic"? Perhaps. Was it good? An emphatic no for me. This new one seems to be somewhere in the middle from what I see, so I'm encouraged by Gunn. For a serious comic movie series, the (first two) Bale Batman movies were darn near perfect. But I didn't have that childlike wonder for them in waiting for them to come out. This new Superman is giving me back a bit of that. That's all I'm saying.


As far as realism in comic adaptations, it's hard to top Daredevil and Daredevil: Born Again. But he's a street level hero. Something like Superman HAS to be taken with a lighter tone given the absurdity of the concept.
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It's all good. Different strokes. Different folks. :thumbup:
 
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