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Bold> Just a few thoughts of my own, although I likely know less of Disney/Marvel's intentions than anyone else.

I doubt there will be another solo original female film in the MCU in the future. Perhaps circumstances would be different if idiots had not dragged their feet pushing out Black Widow. Maybe then the studio would have build more self-confidence in backing them.

Instead, they hit the jackpot with Captain Marvel, did not break $400 million worldwide with BW, hedged their bets with The Marvels CM sequel by giving (basically) equal billing to Ms. Marvel (movie title makes sense) and Spectrum (movie title does not make sense for the whole audience except hardcore comics nerds like me). That sequel squeaked over $200 million worldwide.

The books inspire all plotline materials. Like Linda Danvers as Captain Marvel, Shuri as Black Panther was Marvel Comics' canon before their onscreen appearances. Unlike Linda, Shuri's debut was an alternative introduction fully motivated by Chadwick Boseman's death. I doubt there were any production planning for Letitia Wright solo-ing before Boseman passed away. I foresee Wright getting top co-billing with Denzel Washington in the third movie. I respect Wright but I have little doubt Ryan Coogler and Disney have total faith in her carrying another BP movie, when she did not knock-it-out-the-park during her first opportunity.

I highly doubt there will ever be a solo movie or television show featuring a female Wolverine. That said, I would positively love Dafne Keen reprising Laura in any project, solo or otherwise, as Wolverine--or even carrying on simply as X-23. Keen was perfect casting as a kid in my opinion. She had the character's look and temperament. She is fully grown now, which would make her even more believable playing the character.

In the past, I think I have mentioned The Surfer's power cosmic nature will probably be too much for Disney to invest in. In the 100+ movies and various television series episodes, I can only think of four (before Fantastic Four: First Steps) that were primarily on the power cosmic level:

• Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol. 2 (Ego)
• Avengers: Infinity War & Avengers: Endgame (Thanos)
• Eternals (The Celestials)

Can Disney pull off a colo Silver Surfer project? They sure can. Will they? I just do not see it myself but will cross my fingers anyway.

Think about the massive heavy amount of CGI effects that was invested in Avengers Infinity/End Game, Civil War, and other Marvel massive CGI such as Shang Chi, Captain Marvel, Capt. America/Falcon, etc. i would not think Disney comic movies is not out of their budget, should they decide/choose to create such a Power Cosmic film.

The big kicker would be if they decided if the character movie is well worth it, if they knew they would receive back a returned investment.

The other big kicker is if the studios can make it appeasable to the movie critics .. if they can awe the movie critics, they will awe the potential viewing audiences, Critics have a great influence on viewing audiences .. Great reviews mean they flock will come to the box office. and not only will studios get their returned dollar investments, ..but also set it up for future sequels to come.

 

[DallasEast]

The big kicker would be if they decided if the character movie is well worth it, if they knew they would receive back a returned investment.

^ You summed up my overall thoughts on the matter. The Silver Surfer is not type of character they would prioritize in my opinion.

He or she will likely not be portrayed as an Earth based hero. That would insert him or her mostly into space-based stories. The Guardians, Marvels and Thor (somewhat) franchises are space-based, so it's doable.

Of course, both of those examples are a good mix of comedy (too much in my opinion in the last two Thors) and drama. The Surfer has been a loner, cerebral, 'evolved' brooder (courtesy of Galactus' transformation). I think it would be essential for the character to be surrounded with others he/she decides on protecting and sharing experiences.

I don't know. I would love for the studio to give the character a solo shot. As I have said before, I feel blessed to have an opportunity seeing ALL these characters, both DC and Marvel, major and minor, that I grew up with. I even appreciate the efforts that greatly disappointed me, like Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, Batman & Robin, the last Fantastic Four film ( ), etc. Sure, I threw up a little in my mouth watching even those kinds but still had my inner kid's heart thumping going INTO the theater EVERY time.

Yeah. I would likely be right there on opening day for a Silver Surfer film. However, my big kid brain keeps telling me not to hold my breath waiting for it to come true.

 

[DallasEast]

umm. meh.

 

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^ You summed up my overall thoughts on the matter. The Silver Surfer is not type of character they would prioritize in my opinion.

He or she will likely not be portrayed as an Earth based hero. That would insert him or her mostly into space-based stories. The Guardians, Marvels and Thor (somewhat) franchises are space-based, so it's doable.

Of course, both of those examples are a good mix of comedy (too much in my opinion in the last two Thors) and drama. The Surfer has been a loner, cerebral, 'evolved' brooder (courtesy of Galactus' transformation). I think it would be essential for the character to be surrounded with others he/she decides on protecting and sharing experiences.

I don't know. I would love for the studio to give the character a solo shot. As I have said before, I feel blessed to have an opportunity seeing ALL these characters, both DC and Marvel, major and minor, that I grew up with. I even appreciate the efforts that greatly disappointed me, like Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, Batman & Robin, the last Fantastic Four film ( ), etc. Sure, I threw up a little in my mouth watching even those kinds but still had my inner kid's heart thumping going INTO the theater EVERY time.

Yeah. I would likely be right there on opening day for a Silver Surfer film. However, my big kid brain keeps telling me not to hold my breath waiting for it to come true.

- Because the Silver Surfer is so vast in power cosmic, what he can do manipulation wise makes it virtually imaginative and near unlimited in what the
studios can do CGI special effects wise. Not just his hands but the acrobatic chases and escapes twirls & twists he can do with his surfboard
I've mentioned that the Surfer is one of the five most unique idea characters in the entire comic book world
Not every Marvel comic hero can say that.

- As you've mentioned - ala . Avengers (Infinity/End Game).. Guardian Galaxy, ..Thor ..Capt Marvel., Eternals..even Dr. Strange and his multi-dimensions, these are comic beings
who have work out of Earth's realm...i think it's about the director, the project goes, how he goes,.. it lives or dies with him. Give it the project to a great director
and watch him work his magic, give it to the wrong director, and it becomes typical past FF directors that have plagued that Marvel comic film series.

- Just cuz the Surfer is a loner and known for surveying the intergalactic cosmic skies and galaxies doesn't mean he cannot have his stay at certain worlds to
get acquainted with various planetarians.
Remember how Galactus' cosmic bond (penalty) around the Earth's atmosphere limited the Surfer's travel and forced him to mend among Earthly people population.
Could the same be made for Surfer spinoffs and sequels ? That could have him (her?) meeting with the likes of FF, Avengers, Guardians, etc.

- What one of the major things the new director would have to do (imo) is Not make the usually humbled and low key personality Surfer making him a bore,.
(my leading pet peeve about Surfer comics and animated series) ... maybe that could be another reason for the up changed female Surfer as opposed to Norman Radd ?

 

[Runwildboys]

- Because the Silver Surfer is so vast in power cosmic, what he can do manipulation wise makes it virtually imaginative and near unlimited in what the
studios can do CGI special effects wise. Not just his hands but the acrobatic chases and escapes twirls & twists he can do with his surfboard
I've mentioned that the Surfer is one of the five most unique idea characters in the entire comic book world
Not every Marvel comic hero can say that.

- As you've mentioned - ala . Avengers (Infinity/End Game).. Guardian Galaxy, ..Thor ..Capt Marvel., Eternals..even Dr. Strange and his multi-dimensions, these are comic beings
who have work out of Earth's realm...i think it's about the director, the project goes, how he goes,.. it lives or dies with him. Give it the project to a great director
and watch him work his magic, give it to the wrong director, and it becomes typical past FF directors that have plagued that Marvel comic film series.

- Just cuz the Surfer is a loner and known for surveying the intergalactic cosmic skies and galaxies doesn't mean he cannot have his stay at certain worlds to
get acquainted with various planetarians.
Remember how Galactus' cosmic bond (penalty) around the Earth's atmosphere limited the Surfer's travel and forced him to mend among Earthly people population.
Could the same be made for Surfer spinoffs and sequels ? That could have him (her?) meeting with the likes of FF, Avengers, Guardians, etc.

- What one of the major things the new director would have to do (imo) is Not make the usually humbled and low key personality Surfer making him a bore,.
(my leading pet peeve about Surfer comics and animated series) ... maybe that could be another reason for the up changed female Surfer as opposed to Norman Radd ?

If you'd presented the idea to me, that you were starting a comic book, in which a chrome dude rides a surfboard through space, and has unimaginable powers, I'd have told you not to quit your day job.

 

[DallasEast]

- What one of the major things the new director would have to do (imo) is Not make the usually humbled and low key personality Surfer making him a bore,.
(my leading pet peeve about Surfer comics and animated series) ... maybe that could be another reason for the up changed female Surfer as opposed to Norman Radd ?

Bold> I will preface my opinion by saying I have zero problems with their reasoning if I am correct. I believe Kevin Ferge/Marvel/Disney picked the established non-Earth-616 universe/female Silver Surfer/Shalla Bal solely to appeal to the female audience. Not 100% sure whether that is their actual strategy, but I would not bet against it being true.

 

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If you'd presented the idea to me, that you were starting a comic book, in which a chrome dude rides a surfboard through space, and has unimaginable powers, I'd have told you not to quit your day job.

If that were " DC comics " rejecting me & telling me to keep my day job after presentation,..it would explain their way of operation. And who knows how many people
they actually have turned away when they presented such unique creation ideals ?
Which would explain why DC comics have always been so limited in high appealing characters and movie films.

- All DC seem to know is Superman, Batman it seems. (although i thought Black Adam was a much better movie than critics preferred)
DC comic are nowhere near as vast and unlimited as Marvel. It has/will never be a close competition. i have always wondered about their direction and expansion.

DC clicked with Wonder Woman movie (100 million box office opening weekend) but was that a one time wonder (no pun intended) ..the sequel was an utter disaster beyond belief and likely killed any potential WW viewers interest.

But when Marvel came up with the presentation and production, per the comics and animation series, the results have spoken for itself.- I just hope this upcoming FF film doesn't possess the
the utter director Tim Story' silliness of the " Surfer's powers comes thru his "surfboard " ... uugh !

 

[DallasEast]

 

[DallasEast]

My Thunderbolts* opinion: https://cowboyszone.com/threads/rate-the-last-movie-you-saw.230222/post-14167980

 

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Classic Comic Books I wish You had... or would want to read again ..? .

 

[DallasEast]

Classic Comic Books I wish You had... or would want to read again ..? .

Good post. I actually bought most of those issues except the bottom two. I would not mind re-reading these two:

Wolverine has always been one of the deadliest people on Earth. However, his adamantium made him a constant liability whenever he faced off against Magneto. It may be weird but one of the reasons why I appreciated Marvel storytelling was their ability to often humble their characters--no matter who it was.

The long-running dance between Erik/Logan came to a head in the 90's. Magneto was pushed too far one time too many and magnetically extracted Wolverine's adamantium from his body. It was one of my biggest moments reading comics--especially after witnessing Magneto never taking that vicious step previously.

Another reason that made me respect Marvel was their dedication to continuity. Peter Parker ended up being Madame Web's lone defender against The Juggernaut. If I recall correctly, Spider-Man and Web tried contacting other heroes for help without any luck. Anyone reading other characters titles knew they were all out of city at that time.

The writers would routinely add short notes explaining why each hero or hero group was unavailable. That was a storytelling staple for Marvel from the 60's forward. I believe DC did not really do the same full-time until the mid/late 80's.

Here are two offerings off the top of my head:

I stopped buying comics full-time in the mid 90's. Hal Jordan became Parallex before that time. I would love knowing how DC reverted one of its greatest heroes, who fell totally from grace, hard, back into a good guy.

My 70's Michael Korvac collection was complete UNTIL that issue above MYSTERIOUSLY disappeared one day. I was pissed off for a long time.

Korvac ended up being The Beyonder before Marvel introduced The Beyonder. The guy took out everyone who opposed him. When I say took out, I mean he killed every hero he faced. The few remaining heroes did not stop him. Korvac killed himself when he began to believe his wife (I think they were married) begin to lose faith in him. In my opinion, Korvac was Marvel's motivation for later creating The Beyonder.

 

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Good post. I actually bought most of those issues except the bottom two. I would not mind re-reading these two:

Wolverine has always been one of the deadliest people on Earth. However, his adamantium made him a constant liability whenever he faced off against Magneto. It may be weird but one of the reasons why I appreciated Marvel storytelling was their ability to often humble their characters--no matter who it was.

The long-running dance between Erik/Logan came to a head in the 90's. Magneto was pushed too far one time too many and magnetically extracted Wolverine's adamantium from his body. It was one of my biggest moments reading comics--especially after witnessing Magneto never taking that vicious step previously.

Another reason that made me respect Marvel was their dedication to continuity. Peter Parker ended up being Madame Web's lone defender against The Juggernaut. If I recall correctly, Spider-Man and Web tried contacting other heroes for help without any luck. Anyone reading other characters titles knew they were all out of city at that time.

The writers would routinely add short notes explaining why each hero or hero group was unavailable. That was a storytelling staple for Marvel from the 60's forward. I believe DC did not really do the same full-time until the mid/late 80's.

Here are two offerings off the top of my head:

I stopped buying comics full-time in the mid 90's. Hal Jordan became Parallex before that time. I would love knowing how DC reverted one of its greatest heroes, who fell totally from grace, hard, back into a good guy.

My 70's Michael Korvac collection was complete UNTIL that issue above MYSTERIOUSLY disappeared one day. I was pissed off for a long time.

Korvac ended up being The Beyonder before Marvel introduced The Beyonder. The guy took out everyone who opposed him. When I say took out, I mean he killed every hero he faced. The few remaining heroes did not stop him. Korvac killed himself when he began to believe his wife (I think they were married) begin to lose faith in him. In my opinion, Korvac was Marvel's motivation for later creating The Beyonder.

- i stopped collecting comics in the 90's as well, becuz i didn't like Marvel's direction in seemingly going more art-work over pure action , there was rarely a collection of DC comics for me
even with Justice League, and Superman, for some reason i had a harder time finding Etrigan the Demon.

@DallasEast , you are dead on target with the Michael Korvac vs Avengers issue. of all the superhuman group gatherings to face Korvac, only Moondragon stood down and cried thru the entire fight - she also revealed that Korvac resurrected all the lives he took just before he died - to which she also revealed that Korvac gave in and did not resist the onslaught of the remaining fighting heroes (becuz his wife Karrin began to refuse him during this fight)

- With Spiderman comics i mentioned, not only was it the intense action, but it was the ending sign off which compelled me the most - SpidermanJ Jona Jameson were bound together with a bomb, yet while Spiderman was constantly trying solutions, Jonah was comstantly fussing and griping at Spidey- after being saved, and Spidey departing, Jonah revealed to himself that
he knew spidey was a courageous hero, and Jonah thought himself as a weakling, and that alone was why he has/will continue to bring Spidey down

- Spidey vs Swarm, ..Spidey revealed after he found a way to finally defeat Swarm that as " scared" as he was of Swarm,. he knew had to courage up and find a way to stop Swarm.

- Secret Wars II ... i never thought it would be that the all powerful Beyonder would meet his death - i thought he was Eternal, Living Tribunal, forever entity.. until his own curiousity caused his own demise becuz he was so interested in experiencing human life birth so he became an infant himself - the rest was up to the Molecule Man.

- I will ALWAYS adore Elektra - something about her persona, training, outfit, fighting skill, weapons, background history and she brought on the Hand, and was a huge part of the Daredevil saga. Great creation by Frank Miller. Awful that they destroyed her live action image in Elektra movie

- Spiderman vs Juggernaut, with Madame Web pleading with Spidey to save here .but he failed and that put him in revenge mode. But how in the world will tiny Spidey stop the Unstoppable Juggernaut ?

 

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Good post. I actually bought most of those issues except the bottom two. I would not mind re-reading these two:

Wolverine has always been one of the deadliest people on Earth. However, his adamantium made him a constant liability whenever he faced off against Magneto. It may be weird but one of the reasons why I appreciated Marvel storytelling was their ability to often humble their characters--no matter who it was.

The long-running dance between Erik/Logan came to a head in the 90's. Magneto was pushed too far one time too many and magnetically extracted Wolverine's adamantium from his body. It was one of my biggest moments reading comics--especially after witnessing Magneto never taking that vicious step previously.

Another reason that made me respect Marvel was their dedication to continuity. Peter Parker ended up being Madame Web's lone defender against The Juggernaut. If I recall correctly, Spider-Man and Web tried contacting other heroes for help without any luck. Anyone reading other characters titles knew they were all out of city at that time.

The writers would routinely add short notes explaining why each hero or hero group was unavailable. That was a storytelling staple for Marvel from the 60's forward. I believe DC did not really do the same full-time until the mid/late 80's.

Here are two offerings off the top of my head:

I stopped buying comics full-time in the mid 90's. Hal Jordan became Parallex before that time. I would love knowing how DC reverted one of its greatest heroes, who fell totally from grace, hard, back into a good guy.

My 70's Michael Korvac collection was complete UNTIL that issue above MYSTERIOUSLY disappeared one day. I was pissed off for a long time.

Korvac ended up being The Beyonder before Marvel introduced The Beyonder. The guy took out everyone who opposed him. When I say took out, I mean he killed every hero he faced. The few remaining heroes did not stop him. Korvac killed himself when he began to believe his wife (I think they were married) begin to lose faith in him. In my opinion, Korvac was Marvel's motivation for later creating The Beyonder.