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I think animated Super Girl is the one I have t seen and it’s winning. But not a shocker their animated stuff has always been good.
Animated Supergirl won. It was a tight race out of a whopping seven whole votes! :laugh: She would have gotten four votes if I hadn't chosen the wrong candidate. :( Thanks a lot, @Runwildboys :mad: Just kidding. ;). All hail the winner!

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Obviously not a comics movie but it looks like Hollywood finally realized that fans want to see movies respected by staying close to the original story......I give you, "The Odyssey"

No "re-imagining" the story nor social engineering the cast selections. Homer would be so proud.

Christopher Nolan with another Hollywood masterpiece based on the trailer
 
Although in our lifetime, will we ever see a studio that finally does Supergirl live action film justice..?
Great question. I believe the odds are extremely low. The odds would be slightly higher if she were given another solo shot within James Gunn's current DCU construct. Unfortunately, the original movie has performed so badly at the box office that I doubt Warner Bros. Discovery will green light a sequel.

Despite a lack of public appreciation of the character in theaters, the studio will not sell off Supergirl to another publisher. She is already set for Superman: Man of Tomorrow, and future animated appearances are totally foreseeable. That undermines any possibility of her headlining a non-WBD film project.

The only other alternative would be for WBD to jettison Gunn prematurely, as they did with Zack Snyder, and reboot another comic-book adaptation universe. I doubt there is a viable chance of that happening, given Warner Bros. ' history in the genre. As has been said before, it is comfortable with Batman and okay with Superman.

The studio has a decades-old reputation that lacks real serious imagination and dedication outside those two. It took 40+ years for Supergirl to revisit the big screen. Wonder Woman has been the third component of the DC Trinity since the early 1960s. Almost 60 years passed before her solo film breathed air.

Kara Zor-El ranks below Princess Diana. It would not surprise me if the next time she flies solo is 30 or 50 years down the road. That would likely count me out as an audience member, lol.
 
Supergirl bombs. Maybe they shouldn't have picked a girl that resembles Leif Garrett, Chak- Ka from Land of the Lost,or Jessie from Bad News Bears? Should have gotten a hotter woman, maybe Sophie Cunningham?
 
Supergirl bombs. Maybe they shouldn't have picked a girl that resembles Leif Garrett, Chak- Ka from Land of the Lost,or Jessie from Bad News Bears? Should have gotten a hotter woman, maybe Sophie Cunningham?
Milly Alcock's looks did not kill Supergirl. Direction and writing were the film's primary demise.

That said, the character's casting was never likely to match (much) of the audience's expectation. What I say next is totally my opinion, but I do not believe I am off the mark.

James Gunn was *looking* for someone who fit the girl part of Supergirl. The average adult female height is under 5' 6". Alcock's is 5' 5". He was looking for a 'girlish' looking actress. Despite the very public backlash thrown at her, she does not look like someone in their late 20s or older. She was cast during the time she was portraying a teenage queen on House of the Dragon. Gunn's foresight is her continuing to look the part for other DCU films.

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Sophie Cunningham is an attractive 29-year-old who looks every bit 29 going on 30. She is three inches short of staring eye-to-eye with David Corenswet, a.k.a. Superman. Superwoman? Sure, but that would be someone else.

Meg Donnelly (5'3") auditioned for the role. Sydney Sweeney is at or around the same height but is closer to 30 than Donnelly or Alcock--so there would be some 'girlish-look' concerns for the next 5 (maybe 10) year forecast.

Methinks Chloe Grace Moretz (5'5") would have been a perfect alternative, perhaps not for later projects, but definitely for this particular movie. Perfect height. Still manages the teenage look (maybe barely) at 29. Solid acting chops. Has experience acting in the genre. She is the kind of actress *I think* Gunn would have strongly considered for the role too.

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Milly Alcock's looks did not kill Supergirl. Direction and writing were the film's primary demise.

That said, the character's casting was never likely to match (much) of the audience's expectation. What I say next is totally my opinion, but I do not believe I am off the mark.

James Gunn was *looking* for someone who fit the girl part of Supergirl. The average adult female height is under 5' 6". Alcock's is 5' 5". He was looking for a 'girlish' looking actress. Despite the very public backlash thrown at her, she does not look like someone in their late 20s or older. She was cast during the time she was portraying a teenage queen on House of the Dragon. Gunn's foresight is her continuing to look the part for other DCU films.

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Sophie Cunningham is an attractive 29-year-old who looks every bit 29 going on 30. She is three inches short of staring eye-to-eye with David Corenswet, a.k.a. Superman. Superwoman? Sure, but that would be someone else.

Meg Donnelly (5'3") auditioned for the role. Sydney Sweeney is at or around the same height but is closer to 30 than Donnelly or Alcock--so there would be some 'girlish-look' concerns for the next 5 (maybe 10) year forecast.

Methinks Chloe Grace Moretz (5'5") would have been a perfect alternative, perhaps not for later projects, but definitely for this particular movie. Perfect height. Still manages the teenage look (maybe barely) at 29. Solid acting chops. Has experience acting in the genre. She is the kind of actress *I think* Gunn would have strongly considered for the role too.

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And she knows how to fight.
 
Never heard of that one, but she was great as Hit-Girl.
Hit-Girl WAS a comic book superhero, as a vigilante, eventually cast and played by Moretz, before the movie was released:

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That is what I was talking about. Moretz was 11, as a bona fide girl, when she started filming the movie. ;)
 
Supergirl bombs. Maybe they shouldn't have picked a girl that resembles Leif Garrett, Chak- Ka from Land of the Lost,or Jessie from Bad News Bears? Should have gotten a hotter woman, maybe Sophie Cunningham?
I don’t think it even matters. People don’t want woman led movies or action films right now. It’s just the Era. And to be honest I think Marvel is the one who started this with the mediocre Captain Marvel and have lost the trust of fans.
 
I don’t think it even matters. People don’t want woman led movies or action films right now. It’s just the Era. And to be honest I think Marvel is the one who started this with the mediocre Captain Marvel and have lost the trust of fans.
Captain Marvel is one of those few films that prompt me to reach out to Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic--just to see if I generally agree with the opinions of paid critics, moviegoers, or neither. CM is one where I slide towards paid critics' consensus.

It's not a great movie and did receive a notable recency boost from Avengers: Infinity War. The latter, along with it having a decent level entertainment value, paid off at the box office. Although she does the Kree uniform justice, Brie Larson is NOT a fan favorite of a good percentage of the MCU audience. The lead actress was not enough to ding its overall appeal.

These are just my singular thoughts concerning a 'mediocre Captain Marvel' and mine alone. In my opinion, it is not so much a loss of trust for how portions of the audience reacted to CM (or perhaps even Wonder Woman to a lesser degree), but more so of lackluster movie making and superhero fatigue. I hold that view believe there would not have been a chance in hell of CM remotely hitting $1 billion even with it coasting within the wake of A:IW IF the main criteria was a lead actress headlining it instead of a male lead.

I think it is mostly a matter of moviegoers feeling any particular movie is good and have tired of the same formula (superhero-ing) getting tossed at them. I do not support it being a certain era phenomenon also. Case in point:

Superman: The Movie comes out in 1978. It is a hit with audiences, but does not gross half of Star Wars: A New Hope box office. 1980's Superman II sequel was another hit that did not gross as much as its predecessor. The wishy-washy Salkind producers had pretty much played out their corny movie-making streak BUT got Superman III green lit anyway for 1983. The box office magic of poorly financed movies had officially ran its course BUT nope.

They heaved a base cheap Supergirl out in 1984. Even Peter O'Toole and Faye Dunaway could not save that crap, much less a fresh-faced Helen Slater (hopefully I got the name right this time @Runwildboys lol). That sucker bombed and bombed hard. Bad direction. Bad acting (even with film legends). Bad cinematography. Bad script. You name it. The original movie was the package deal. Plus, folks were generally Suped out within a ten-year period.

Sorry. My longwindedness is out of control. Just saying, that was forty years ago. Similar factors then are playing out in the here-and-now. One main element that is different now than then is unfettered criticism before, during, and after a movie's release. Literally nothing is out of bounds. "CHA-KA!!!!!!!" :laugh: People are and can be relentless.

Me? I will remain cool about all of it. My comic book nerdiness will never be sated UNLESS producers like the Salkinds take over. That would likely kill my appreciation of all these comic books and characters coming to live.
 
Milly Alcock's looks did not kill Supergirl. Direction and writing were the film's primary demise.

That said, the character's casting was never likely to match (much) of the audience's expectation. What I say next is totally my opinion, but I do not believe I am off the mark.

James Gunn was *looking* for someone who fit the girl part of Supergirl. The average adult female height is under 5' 6". Alcock's is 5' 5". He was looking for a 'girlish' looking actress. Despite the very public backlash thrown at her, she does not look like someone in their late 20s or older. She was cast during the time she was portraying a teenage queen on House of the Dragon. Gunn's foresight is her continuing to look the part for other DCU films.

dHUnGBQ.png


Sophie Cunningham is an attractive 29-year-old who looks every bit 29 going on 30. She is three inches short of staring eye-to-eye with David Corenswet, a.k.a. Superman. Superwoman? Sure, but that would be someone else.

Meg Donnelly (5'3") auditioned for the role. Sydney Sweeney is at or around the same height but is closer to 30 than Donnelly or Alcock--so there would be some 'girlish-look' concerns for the next 5 (maybe 10) year forecast.

Methinks Chloe Grace Moretz (5'5") would have been a perfect alternative, perhaps not for later projects, but definitely for this particular movie. Perfect height. Still manages the teenage look (maybe barely) at 29. Solid acting chops. Has experience acting in the genre. She is the kind of actress *I think* Gunn would have strongly considered for the role too.

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I know why they hire known quantities, but sometimes going with an unknown works fantastically. Christopher Reeves was relatively unknown, Tom Welling was unknown, Henry Cavill was unknown, Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland were basically unknowns. I would argue that they had more flops with well established actors than they did with unknowns. (The original Supergirl and a few others not withstanding).
 
I know why they hire known quantities, but sometimes going with an unknown works fantastically. Christopher Reeves was relatively unknown, Tom Welling was unknown, Henry Cavill was unknown, Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland were basically unknowns. I would argue that they had more flops with well established actors than they did with unknowns. (The original Supergirl and a few others not withstanding).
I would add Gal Gadot to that list of unknowns. She fit the description despite several supporting appearances in The Fast and The Furious franchise. In my opinion, Patty Jenkins directed her original movie extremely well. Then Jenkins lost her <excerpt> mind for the sequel, which hastened the end of Zack Snyder's DCEU.
 
I would add Gal Gadot to that list of unknowns. She fit the description despite several supporting appearances in The Fast and The Furious franchise. In my opinion, Patty Jenkins directed her original movie extremely well. Then Jenkins lost her <excerpt> mind for the sequel, which hastened the end of Zack Snyder's DCEU.
I would agree about Gal Gadot. Obviously my list wasn't exhaustive. Like Chadwick Boseman. That dude killed it. Chris Hemsworth was practically unknown when he first appeared as Thor. What credits did he have? Cabin in the Woods and 5 minutes in Star Trek? Honestly, I think it's better to go with unknowns. Granted, sometimes an actor kills it for a part, like Jack Nicholson's Joker. Was he the best? No, but he was great. That's more the exception than the rule.
 
I would add Gal Gadot to that list of unknowns. She fit the description despite several supporting appearances in The Fast and The Furious franchise. In my opinion, Patty Jenkins directed her original movie extremely well. Then Jenkins lost her <excerpt> mind for the sequel, which hastened the end of Zack Snyder's DCEU.
Yeah, despite Gal not being a good actress, she fit the part. The first one was a solid script but played pretty similar to Captain America imo. The bank scene was top notch. The villain and the final "fight" was a let down. The sequel was just a horrible script and a horrible villain.

The original Supergirl had that same problem with Faye Dunaway & Brenda Vacarro playing witches. I'm not sure what villains they should have had in these films but those were bad ideas.
 

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