Commander fans really hate this team...whats new

[Hostile]

I have no idea where you got that from. Take another look at my post never downplayed any of the Cowboys wins, just because they were Cowboys wins. In fact, I used two of them as an example:

Maybe it's because as I pointed out earlier you're giving more weight and gravity to those two games and I am saying all History is relevant.

I'll add a little relevance after I respond to the next comment.

I am saying there are games, on both sides, that don't matter as much as others. I guarantee losing the regular season finale didn't mean very much to Cowboys fans, did it? (That's an honest question, for the sake of discussion. In no way is it meant to be inflammatory)

Hell yes it mattered. You guys made the playoffs because of that win. You don't think if it had knocked you out of the playoffs it could have been huge? If the Eagles got in at 8-8 and you were left out it isn't big? That win should be big to you and it should suck for us. I don't care that we had nothing to gain.

I give weight to every game. Every single one of them, not just 2.

Let's start at 1967 which is the genesis year for our teams to be in the same 5 or 4 team Division. I will put the years that I think the season series mattered in bold.



1967...Dallas won Division by 2 games. Hard to say split is relevant, since a Commanders sweep doesn't change the Division crown.

1968...Dallas won Division by 5 games. So even if our sweep of you was reversed it doesn't change much.

1969...Dallas won Division by 3 games. Again if our sweep were reversed it wouldn't change the standings.

1970...Dallas wins Division by 1 game and sweeps the Commanders. Do you want to seriously tell me neither of those wins mattered since the Commanders were an irrelevant 6-8 team?

1971...Dallas wins Division by 1 game and splits with Skins. That win didn't matter?

1972...Commanders win Division by 1 game and split with Cowboys. If Dallas had swept the Skins they win the Division and that precious NFC Championship game is played in Dallas. Not even that regular season win mattered huh?

1973...Dallas wins Division despite a tie in record and a split. The wins and losses didn't matter to either team?

1974...Cardinals win the Division but are tied with the Commanders in record. Cowboys and Commanders split. That loss didn't hurt the Commanders?

1975...Cardinals win the Division but are tied with Dallas in record. Cowboys and Commanders split. That loss didn't hurt Dallas?

1976...Dallas wins Division by 1 game over Skins. They split. A sweep wouldn't have mattered?

1977...Dallas won Division by 3 games and split. A sweep either way wouldn't change a thing.

1978...Dallas won Division by 3 games and split. A sweep either way wouldn't change a thing.

1979...Dallas won Division despite a tie with Eagles in Record. They split with the Commanders. A sweep wouldn't have mattered?

1980...Dallas tied with Philly and swept the Commanders. So a loss would not have mattered.

1981...Dallas won the Division by 2 games and swept the Skins. Those wins did not matter?

1982...Strike year. Commanders only loss was to Dallas. Commanders won NFC by 2 games. You could say that loss didn't matter, but I think it stings. Still, I will leave it unbolded since it doesn't fit the criteria I established. No spin after all. No cherry picking.

1983...Commanders win Division by 2 games and series split. A Dallas sweep gives them the Division. I think it mattered.

1984...Commanders win division by 2 games and sweep Dallas who is 2 games behind along with the Giants and Cardinals. Forgive me, I think those two losses matter.

1985...Dallas wins division, sweeps Commanders and both teams and Giants are tied with 10-6 record. Commanders miss the playoffs. Did the sweep matter?

1986...Giants win Division by 2 games. Skins and Cowboys split. It wouldn't matter.

1987...Commanders win division by 4 games over Dallas and sweep. Wouldn't matter.

1988...Neither team relevant.

1989...Neither team relevant. Dallas only win is against Skins. Maybe that would matter to some.

1990...Nothing would have changed if the split was a sweep for either team.

1991...Commanders win Division by 3 games and teams split. No change by a win or loss.

1992...Dallas wins Division by 2 games and teams split.

1993...Dallas wins Division by 1 game and teams split. It matters.

1994...Dallas wins Division by 3 games and sweeps.

1995...Dallas wins Division by despite sweep by Skins.

1996...Dallas wins Division though tied record with Philly. Split. That win mattered.

1997...Neither team relevant.

1998...Dallas wins Division by 1 game over Giants and sweeps Skins. It mattered.

1999...Commanders win Division by 2 games despite being swept by Dallas.

2000...Neither team relevant.

2001...Neither team relevant.

2002...Neither team relevant.

2003...Giants win Division by 2 games. Dallas sweeps Commanders.

2004...Neither team relevant.

2005...Giants win division by 1 game over Skins who sweep.

2006...Eagles win Division by 1 game. Split. A sweep would matter.

2007...Dallas wins Division by 3 games. Split.


It looks to me like the season series matters and I want to point out that I only used the Cowboys vs. the Commanders. I could have used any rivalry within the Division and just about every single year would matter.

You can tell me our one win in 1989 doesn't matter. I will disagree. You can tell me our sweep in 1999 doesn't matter because you won the Division by 2 games.

I'm not buying it.

Every game matters.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Are you going to tell me that only your wins are allowed to be important? Because right now that is exactly what you are doing. Only Commanders fans can judge when a win matters and when it doesn't. How very convenient and phony.

Huh? Nobody is saying that. The game in 1979 "the wreath game" matters big. Your list certainly makes a great case for games mattering

My point is, of course I put more weight on title games. Everything is on the line that day, the lights are on, the spotlight in the football universe there.

Do I put more weight there? Of course

Do I still enjoy beating the Cowboys even if we are 3-5 and it takes a miracle blocked FG to do it? Absolutley

Does a loss in 1996 on Thanksgiving sting because it start to bury a team that started 7-1 and is now 8-5. Of course. Or the game in 1997 which your list fails to mention that DID matter. November 1997, the 6-4 Commanders leading the fading Cowboys 14-6 in the 4th quarter with less then 6 minutes to go and the Cowboys starting a drive at their 2 yard line. The Cowboys go the distance, tie the game on a 2 point conversion, force a 3 and out, Matt Turk kicks a bad punt, great field position for the Cowboys and they 'Boys win 17-14, starting a 10 game streak and being the difference maker in the Commanders NOT winning the division (losing it by 1 game to the Giants and being knocked out of the playoffs). Of course games matter

To give you another analogy, the Giants beat the Commanders in the NFC title game following the 1986 season. Do I think that game matters more then the 2004 games where the Commanders won 31-7 at FedEx Field? Or the 1996 sweep the Commanders had over the Giants. Or beating the Giants the first time the teams matched up in 2000. Of course I will, I'd much rather have won that NFC title game against the Gints and traded a few of those wins in 2003, 2000 and 1996 for it

Do I weigh different games differently, and in particular championship games? You bet your *** I do

 

[AmishCowboy]

The 2 Biggest Crushing Losses I remember have nothing to do with the Commanders, they are the Leon Lett Blocked FG game, even though we went on the win the SB and the "Catch Game" against SF, A game we should have won and I think the Cowboys would have easily rolled the Bengals in the SB.

 

[kapolani]

Huh? Nobody is saying that. The game in 1979 "the wreath game" matters big. Your list certainly makes a great case for games mattering

My point is, of course I put more weight on title games. Everything is on the line that day, the lights are on, the spotlight in the football universe there.

Do I put more weight there? Of course

Do I still enjoy beating the Cowboys even if we are 3-5 and it takes a miracle blocked FG to do it? Absolutley

Does a loss in 1996 on Thanksgiving sting because it start to bury a team that started 7-1 and is now 8-5. Of course. Or the game in 1997 which your list fails to mention that DID matter. November 1997, the 6-4 Commanders leading the fading Cowboys 14-6 in the 4th quarter with less then 6 minutes to go and the Cowboys starting a drive at their 2 yard line. The Cowboys go the distance, tie the game on a 2 point conversion, force a 3 and out, Matt Turk kicks a bad punt, great field position for the Cowboys and they 'Boys win 17-14, starting a 10 game streak and being the difference maker in the Commanders NOT winning the division (losing it by 1 game to the Giants and being knocked out of the playoffs). Of course games matter

To give you another analogy, the Giants beat the Commanders in the NFC title game following the 1986 season. Do I think that game matters more then the 2004 games where the Commanders won 31-7 at FedEx Field? Or the 1996 sweep the Commanders had over the Giants. Or beating the Giants the first time the teams matched up in 2000. Of course I will, I'd much rather have won that NFC title game against the Gints and traded a few of those wins in 2003, 2000 and 1996 for it

Do I weigh different games differently, and in particular championship games? You bet your *** I do

The only game that matters is the Superbowl.

You play, in competitive sports, to be the champion.

At the end of the day all that matters is how many Lombardi Trophies you have in your display case.

Currently:

5 > 3

 

[Rampage]

"dallas Week!"

 

[Hostile]

Huh? Nobody is saying that. The game in 1979 "the wreath game" matters big. Your list certainly makes a great case for games mattering

Yeah, that is exactly what you are saying, and say again in the very next line.

My point is, of course I put more weight on title games. Everything is on the line that day, the lights are on, the spotlight in the football universe there.

Do I put more weight there? Of course

That is your business. I won't and never will say that regular season games do not matter or have weight. I believe every game matters. I believe my list above proved it beyond all doubt.

Do I still enjoy beating the Cowboys even if we are 3-5 and it takes a miracle blocked FG to do it? Absolutley

Whether you admit it or not, being the only win we had in 1989 stings. Campo winning 5 or 6 stings.

Why do these losses sting if they don't matter?

Does a loss in 1996 on Thanksgiving sting because it start to bury a team that started 7-1 and is now 8-5. Of course. Or the game in 1997 which your list fails to mention that DID matter. November 1997, the 6-4 Commanders leading the fading Cowboys 14-6 in the 4th quarter with less then 6 minutes to go and the Cowboys starting a drive at their 2 yard line. The Cowboys go the distance, tie the game on a 2 point conversion, force a 3 and out, Matt Turk kicks a bad punt, great field position for the Cowboys and they 'Boys win 17-14, starting a 10 game streak and being the difference maker in the Commanders NOT winning the division (losing it by 1 game to the Giants and being knocked out of the playoffs). Of course games matter

Thank you. This proves my point. I chose a very stringent criteria. This is more open and still proves my point.

To give you another analogy, the Giants beat the Commanders in the NFC title game following the 1986 season. Do I think that game matters more then the 2004 games where the Commanders won 31-7 at FedEx Field? Or the 1996 sweep the Commanders had over the Giants. Or beating the Giants the first time the teams matched up in 2000. Of course I will, I'd much rather have won that NFC title game against the Gints and traded a few of those wins in 2003, 2000 and 1996 for it

The difference being I have never once contended only the playoff games matter. I said all games matter and once again, you are agreeing with me.

Do I weigh different games differently, and in particular championship games? You bet your *** I do

Like I said before, how convenient, and how phony.


Oh and for the record, I give weight to your two playoff wins over us. A whole lot more weight than you give our 32 total post season wins and 5 Super Bowls. You see, unlike you, I don't cherry pick.

 

[Sonny#9]

Maybe it's because as I pointed out earlier you're giving more weight and gravity to those two games and I am saying all History is relevant.

It wasn't meant to be a prohibitive list -- they are examples.

Hell yes it mattered. You guys made the playoffs because of that win. You don't think if it had knocked you out of the playoffs it could have been huge? If the Eagles got in at 8-8 and you were left out it isn't big? That win should be big to you and it should suck for us. I don't care that we had nothing to gain.

I give weight to every game. Every single one of them, not just 2.

It was big for us. I don't deny that. But it wasn't as big as, say, 35-7 in 2005. While all games definitely count, I hold to my idea that some games mean more then others. On both sides.

What I would really like to see, if someone can do the research, is how many times a Skins-Cowboys game officially ended a realistic chance at the post-season (i.e. eliminating games where one team was sitting at 1-7, where one more loss officially eliminates them.) -- call 'em Dream Crusher Games.

I know could be pretty subjective, but it might be interesting to see.

Great list -- exactly what I was looking for,I'll add my thoughts in red:

Let's start at 1967 which is the genesis year for our teams to be in the same 5 or 4 team Division. I will put the years that I think the season series mattered in bold.



1967...Dallas won Division by 2 games. Hard to say split is relevant, since a Commanders sweep doesn't change the Division crown. AGREED

1968...Dallas won Division by 5 games. So even if our sweep of you was reversed it doesn't change much. AGREED

1969...Dallas won Division by 3 games. Again if our sweep were reversed it wouldn't change the standings. AGREED

1970...Dallas wins Division by 1 game and sweeps the Commanders. Do you want to seriously tell me neither of those wins mattered since the Commanders were an irrelevant 6-8 team? YES THOSE MATTER

1971...Dallas wins Division by 1 game and splits with Skins. That win didn't matter? YES IT MATTERS

1972...Commanders win Division by 1 game and split with Cowboys. If Dallas had swept the Skins they win the Division and that precious NFC Championship game is played in Dallas. Not even that regular season win mattered huh? YES IT MATTERS

1973...Dallas wins Division despite a tie in record and a split. The wins and losses didn't matter to either team? YES IT MATTERS

1974...Cardinals win the Division but are tied with the Commanders in record. Cowboys and Commanders split. That loss didn't hurt the Commanders? YES IT MATTERS

1975...Cardinals win the Division but are tied with Dallas in record. Cowboys and Commanders split. That loss didn't hurt Dallas? YES IT MATTERS

1976...Dallas wins Division by 1 game over Skins. They split. A sweep wouldn't have mattered? YES IT MATTERS

1977...Dallas won Division by 3 games and split. A sweep either way wouldn't change a thing. AGREED

1978...Dallas won Division by 3 games and split. A sweep either way wouldn't change a thing. AGREED

1979...Dallas won Division despite a tie with Eagles in Record. They split with the Commanders. A sweep wouldn't have mattered? AGREED

1980...Dallas tied with Philly and swept the Commanders. So a loss would not have mattered. AGREED

1981...Dallas won the Division by 2 games and swept the Skins. Those wins did not matter? AGREED

1982...Strike year. Commanders only loss was to Dallas. Commanders won NFC by 2 games. You could say that loss didn't matter, but I think it stings. Still, I will leave it unbolded since it doesn't fit the criteria I established. No spin after all. No cherry picking. AGREED

1983...Commanders win Division by 2 games and series split. A Dallas sweep gives them the Division. I think it mattered. AGREED

1984...Commanders win division by 2 games and sweep Dallas who is 2 games behind along with the Giants and Cardinals. Forgive me, I think those two losses matter. AGREED

1985...Dallas wins division, sweeps Commanders and both teams and Giants are tied with 10-6 record. Commanders miss the playoffs. Did the sweep matter? AGREED

1986...Giants win Division by 2 games. Skins and Cowboys split. It wouldn't matter. HOW DID IT AFFECT THE PLAYOFF PICTURE -- DID DALLAS MISS THE PLAYOFFS?

1987...Commanders win division by 4 games over Dallas and sweep. Wouldn't matter. HOW DID IT AFFECT THE PLAYOFF PICTURE?

1988...Neither team relevant. AGREED

1989...Neither team relevant. Dallas only win is against Skins. Maybe that would matter to some. AGREED

1990...Nothing would have changed if the split was a sweep for either team. AGREED

1991...Commanders win Division by 3 games and teams split. No change by a win or loss. AGREED

1992...Dallas wins Division by 2 games and teams split. AGREED

1993...Dallas wins Division by 1 game and teams split. It matters. AGREED -- '93 THE SKINS WERE TERRIBLE THOUGH.

1994...Dallas wins Division by 3 games and sweeps. AGREED

1995...Dallas wins Division by despite sweep by Skins. AGREED, ALTHOUGH THOSE GAMES WERE PRETTY MUCH OUR SUPER BOWL.

1996...Dallas wins Division though tied record with Philly. Split. That win mattered. AGREED

1997...Neither team relevant. AGREED

1998...Dallas wins Division by 1 game over Giants and sweeps Skins. It mattered. AGREED

1999...Commanders win Division by 2 games despite being swept by Dallas. AGREED, ALTHOUGH THAT 1ST GAME STUNG...BADLY. I HATE YOU MATT STEVENS

2000...Neither team relevant. AGREED

2001...Neither team relevant. AGREED

2002...Neither team relevant. AGREED

2003...Giants win Division by 2 games. Dallas sweeps Commanders. AGREED

2004...Neither team relevant. AGREED

2005...Giants win division by 1 game over Skins who sweep. HERE IS WHAT I WAS GETTING AT: SKINS SWEPT -- KNOCKING DALLAS OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS, AND PUTTING THE SKINS IN. NOT JUST A DIVISION CROWN AT STAKE. THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF GAMES THAT CARRY MORE WEIGHT, IN MY OPINION. AGAIN, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVALRY.

2006...Eagles win Division by 1 game. Split. A sweep would matter. 22-19...I WAS AT THAT GAME...COULDN'T HEAR MYSELF SCREAM...THAT GAME MATTERED

2007...Dallas wins Division by 3 games. Split. AGREED, ALTHOUGH THE LAST GAME MATTERED TO THE SKINS, SINCE PLAYOFFS WERE INVOLVED.


It looks to me like the season series matters and I want to point out that I only used the Cowboys vs. the Commanders. I could have used any rivalry within the Division and just about every single year would matter.

You can tell me our one win in 1989 doesn't matter. I will disagree. You can tell me our sweep in 1999 doesn't matter because you won the Division by 2 games.

I'm not buying it.

Every game matters.

I am not saying that the games "don't matter." It's the best rivalry in the NFL for a reason. They all matter -- just some more then others. From a Skins fan point of view: the sweep in 2005 carries a lot more weight then the ones in 1995.

And I am outta here, weekend time, so if I don't respond, I will leave you with this: Good talk, Russ.

 

[Hostile]

Great list -- exactly what I was looking for,I'll add my thoughts in red:

I am not saying that the games "don't matter." It's the best rivalry in the NFL for a reason. They all matter -- just some more then others. From a Skins fan point of view: the sweep in 2005 carries a lot more weight then the ones in 1995.

And I am outta here, weekend time, so if I don't respond, I will leave you with this: Good talk, Russ.

Which is exactly my point. You guys conveniently pick and choose which games have more relevance. That is phony.

I used a very rigid way to say which games matter and as you can plainly see from your own notes, it is even more all encompassing.

It's called a rivalry for a reason guys. It means that the games will matter in a lot of ways. Even if neither team are affected it could affect a wildcard, it could change home field for some team.

This piss ant stuff about the 5-1 record when we were 5-11 for three straight years is pie in the sky thinking. I have called it convenient and phony. That's because it is.

I was asked if Cowboys fans put any relevance behind the win last year to end the season. Some will. Some won't. I do. It meant you made the playoffs for sure. I would have loved to knock you out of the playoffs and end the season on a high note.

Like I said, you can cherry pick importance, sugar coat your wins, diss our wins, and spin control it all you want. I noticed you had no response to whether George Allen et al put relevance to the games against the Cowboys.

I wonder why not?

Oh, and I know 1995 those games were your Super Bowl. Every year there are wins you crave more than any other. Your team can suck like a vacuum cleaner, but win those games and there's some satisfaction. Still more validation for what I am saying.

 

[BourbonBalz]

You know, I was missing the "Commanders fans are so stupid/obsessed/jealous etc." threads. They provide hours of entertainment...

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

 

[BourbonBalz]

You know I miss scrolling threw pages and pages of Cowboys obsession threads on ES, they provide days of entertainment.

I'd be willing to bet that TR1 and Bubba are either actually 14 years old, or high school dropouts on public assistance. Got to be one or the other.

 

[BourbonBalz]

I think it's quite obvious, most Skins fans hate the Cowboys more than they love the Commanders.







YAKUZA

BINGO!!!!!!! The true meaning of jealousy.

 

[BourbonBalz]

I am assuming you mean the AROUND THE LEAGUE section . In between the Cowboys obsession there are threads on the Raiders, Giants, Eagles, Broncos well other teams around the league really . I think it is interesting to find out what other teams are doing, unless of course you are arrogant enough to think the other teams are irrelivent .

Also it may be some time since you have been on ES Yakusa but there are a disturbing number of cowboy loving skins fans ..... now even from the UK I know thats just wrong ... not that i am judging or anything

Ah, wrong. Maybe you haven't visited the ATN section of ES recently. It's an absolute cesspool. For every thread regarding another NFL team, there are 10 in regards to the Boys. TR1, Bubba, and Jumbo are really pathetic.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Here's the thing though...those threads generate some very good discussion, if you ignore the "special children" on both sides of the argument. So while not very many people take tr1 very seriously, he does provide a service. He generates a lot of discussion.

Like I've said before -- there are fans of both teams that really should be ignored, and nothing more then "Best of luck on the season" needs be said.

TR1 provides nothing but a big load of bull****. Everyone that has a functioning brain knows this. Well, that leaves most Foreskin fans out of the loop, doesn't it? A few Skins fans call TR1 on his crap, but most on ES just clap for him and are all over his nuts, especially his nut-polisher, Bubba. Backing those two idiots shows the true colors of most posters on ES.