Commander fans really hate this team...whats new

[Hostile]

Uh, I am not sure how a fact as obvious as that is "stupid"

I guess the Cowboys didn't really pack their bags to head to California directly from Washington DC in January of 1983? But I forgot, that game doesn't matter because it was a strike season

I think if you check my post History that you will find that I do give the Commanders credit for being 2-0 against us in the post season. What I can never figure out is why you guys are so two faced about that. On the one hand you tell us that recent History is the only thing that matters and we haven't won a playoff game in 12 years. Then you bring up the 1972 and 1982 seasons. You tell us that our 5 Super Bowls are a thing of the past, yet you harp on those two games.

Does it hurt talking out of both sides of your mouths like that? I have always wondered.

You see, I believe the entire History between the two teams matters, not just 2 games, not just 2005. I don't pick and choose anything. It is all on the table for everyone to see. There's no need to sugar coat anything, no need to cherry pick, and certainly no need for spin control.

The bottom line, hard to swallow truth is that in every way, shape, and form when you compare the two franchises one of them stands out and it isn't the team in maroon, black and yellow.

Sorry to be so blunt, but I just can't help telling the truth. Several teams have reason to crow over their History against the Cowboys. Washington just isn't one of them.

So congratulations on 1972 and 1982, and congratulations on 2005. What else ya got? Nothing? Color me not at all shocked.

 

[Sonny#9]

I think it's quite obvious, most Skins fans hate the Cowboys more than they love the Commanders.

That's the most arrogant thing you have ever posted. Ever. Most Skins fans? Are you on crack? I love the Skins, and loathe the Cowboys -- it's in my contract -- But let's be realistic here. Oh wait, you're not capable of that.

What's next? Skins fans would rather watch the Cowboys lose then the Skins win?

God I love these sweeping generalizations of Skins fans...they mostly show a narrow mind with very little analytic ability.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

I think if you check my post History that you will find that I do give the Commanders credit for being 2-0 against us in the post season. What I can never figure out is why you guys are so two faced about that. On the one hand you tell us that recent History is the only thing that matters and we haven't won a playoff game in 12 years. Then you bring up the 1972 and 1982 seasons. You tell us that our 5 Super Bowls are a thing of the past, yet you harp on those two games.

Does it hurt talking out of both sides of your mouths like that? I have always wondered.

You see, I believe the entire History between the two teams matters, not just 2 games, not just 2005. I don't pick and choose anything. It is all on the table for everyone to see. There's no need to sugar coat anything, no need to cherry pick, and certainly no need for spin control.

The bottom line, hard to swallow truth is that in every way, shape, and form when you compare the two franchises one of them stands out and it isn't the team in maroon, black and yellow.

Sorry to be so blunt, but I just can't help telling the truth. Several teams have reason to crow over their History against the Cowboys. Washington just isn't one of them.

So congratulations on 1972 and 1982, and congratulations on 2005. What else ya got? Nothing? Color me not at all shocked.

The thing is, and you are smart enough to see, 1972 and 1982 were when all the chips were on the line, the lights were on, and pardon my french, real **** was on being played for.

Hey I'll gladly give you guys 2 wins in a season where you go 8-8 or 5-11 (if you look at the 10 game win streak you had over us your records in those seasons were 6-10, 10-6 (1st round exit) 8-8, 5-11, 5-11) if that is what you hold your hat on

But when it mattered most, when a CHAMPIONSHIP was on the line, which is why we play the games, the Commanders topped the Cowboys both times.

If you wish to take pride in beating us in years where you went 5-11, I got no issues with that my friend. Likewise, if I am dumb enough to bring up 1995 (a 6-10 team sweeps the eventual Superbowl champion Cowboys) I should be pointed at and mocked

So are we playing for championship games, or bragging rights in losing seasons?

As for the other Cowboy accomplishments (8 Superbowl appearances 5 wins) good for you. It is a shame the Commanders did not put themselves in a position to beat the Cowboys those years in the playoffs, by either sucking (1993, 1994, 1995), losing in the round before a potential matchup (1992) or just not being good enough (most of the 1970s)

 

[Hostile]

The thing is, and you are smart enough to see, 1972 and 1982 were when all the chips were on the line, the lights were on, and pardon my french, real **** was on being played for.

Hey I'll gladly give you guys 2 wins in a season where you go 8-8 or 5-11 (if you look at the 10 game win streak you had over us your records in those seasons were 6-10, 10-6 (1st round exit) 8-8, 5-11, 5-11) if that is what you hold your hat on

But when it mattered most, when a CHAMPIONSHIP was on the line, which is why we play the games, the Commanders topped the Cowboys both times.

If you wish to take pride in beating us in years where you went 5-11, I got no issues with that my friend. Likewise, if I am dumb enough to bring up 1995 (a 6-10 team sweeps the eventual Superbowl champion Cowboys) I should be pointed at and mocked

So are we playing for championship games, or bragging rights in losing seasons?

We're playing for everything.

What part of not cherry picking, not spinning, and not sugar coating it did you not grasp?

Everything between the two teams matters. All of it. In your shoes I would not be so obtuse as to not recognize that.

Want proof? Stick around for the 1st game of the season when I pay homage to the Cleveland Browns and their History against us. You won't find me picking and choosing. You won't read me saying that they were a powerhouse and we were an expansion team and they were supposed to be better. I will respect them for having a better History against us.

It's called honesty. Try it sometime. I promise it won't cause your shorts to wad up.

 

[zrinkill]

God I love these sweeping generalizations of Skins fans...

Considering guys like redskins1 are the usual Commander fans who show up here .... can you blame them?

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

We're playing for everything.

What part of not cherry picking, not spinning, and not sugar coating it did you not grasp?

Everything between the two teams matters. All of it. In your shoes I would not be so obtuse as to not recognize that.

Want proof? Stick around for the 1st game of the season when I pay homage to the Cleveland Browns and their History against us. You won't find me picking and choosing. You won't read me saying that they were a powerhouse and we were an expansion team and they were supposed to be better. I will respect them for having a better History against us.
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It isn't cherry picking when talking about what really matters. Championships. It is a credit to the Cowboys, and a black mark on the Commanders, that the Cowboys put themselves in position to win more championships then Commanders did in the same amount of time measured in the NFL, and the Commanders didn't put themselves in a position to beat the Cowboys in those championship years

And comparing the Commanders-Cowboys history to the Cleveland Browns is a joke, right? :laugh2:

 

[Sonny#9]

Considering guys like redskins1 are the usual Commander fans who show up here .... can you blame them?

Every fanbase has it's "special children." I am not excluding Commanders fans. But don't lump me in with them.

Saying things like "most Commanders fans hate the Cowboys more then they love the Commanders" is idiotic.

Seriously, are people REALLY that vain and arrogant?

 

[Hostile]

It isn't cherry picking when talking about what really matters. Championships. It is a credit to the Cowboys, and a black mark on the Commanders, that the Cowboys put themselves in position to win more championships then Commanders did in the same amount of time measured in the NFL, and the Commanders didn't put themselves in a position to beat the Cowboys in those championship years

And comparing the Commanders-Cowboys history to the Cleveland Browns is a joke, right? :laugh2:

No, I don't joke about giving credit where it is due. The Cleveland Browns head to head against the Cowboys have the better History and I respect that. I respect their fans for their passion for a football team that has nto been good in a long time. I respect them for wanting to keep their ugly uniforms and team History when Art Modell stabbed them in the back and they had to become an expansion Franchise to have their team.

I find no need to belittle a team that has accomplished something. The only thing we can hang our hats on Cleveland for is that our very first post season victory was 52-14 against them after the 1967 season.

Cleveland is one of a handful of teams who have given the Cowboys all they can handle and has a positive History against us. They don't have a Super Bowl win and we have 5, but you can bet your shoulder pads I respect them.

It all matters. They are 15-10 against us. That means if we win this year and the next 4 times we match up with them it will take us until 2024 just to pull even in the series and in order to square the post season series we would need to beat them in a Super Bowl.

I respect them.

All History between teams are relevant. I will never cherry pick.

 

[Sonny#9]

We're playing for everything.

What part of not cherry picking, not spinning, and not sugar coating it did you not grasp?

Everything between the two teams matters. All of it. In your shoes I would not be so obtuse as to not recognize that.

Want proof? Stick around for the 1st game of the season when I pay homage to the Cleveland Browns and their History against us. You won't find me picking and choosing. You won't read me saying that they were a powerhouse and we were an expansion team and they were supposed to be better. I will respect them for having a better History against us.

It's called honesty. Try it sometime. I promise it won't cause your shorts to wad up.

If I may throw in my two cents here:

Obviously, the Cowboys have a much better overall head-to-head record then the Commanders. And I don't think SkinsHokie -- if I may speak for my fellow Skins fan -- is debating that. However, this whole debate was sparked by a comment stating that the Cowboys have been "crushing the Skins dreams for years."

What I would really like to see, if someone can do the research, is how many times a Skins-Cowboys game officially ended a realistic chance at the post-season (i.e. eliminating games where one team was sitting at 1-7, where one more loss officially eliminates them.) -- call 'em Dream Crusher Games.

I know could be pretty subjective, but it might be interesting to see.

 

[Hostile]

If I may throw in my two cents here:

Obviously, the Cowboys have a much better overall head-to-head record then the Commanders. And I don't think SkinsHokie -- if I may speak for my fellow Skins fan -- is debating that. However, this whole debate was sparked by a comment stating that the Cowboys have been "crushing the Skins dreams for years."

What I would really like to see, if someone can do the research, is how many times a Skins-Cowboys game officially ended a realistic chance at the post-season (i.e. eliminating games where one team was sitting at 1-7, where one more loss officially eliminates them.) -- call 'em Dream Crusher Games.

I know could be pretty subjective, but it might be interesting to see.

At least you admit cherry picking is subjective. I respect that.

Do you think George Allen and Sonny Jurgenson and company would agree that unless everything was on the line that the games against the Cowboys really didn't matter?

It's called a rivalry gentlemen. If you believe salt isn't rubbed into wounds when a rival beats you whether you are the better team or the worse of the two then you clearly don't understand rivalry.

Are you and SHF going to sit there and tell me losing to the Cowboys doesn't irk the crap out of you? Seriously?

Don't try and sell me that crap. You hate losing to us as much as we hate losing to you. The gravity of the game can make it worse, no doubt. But don't try and sell me that it only matters when everything is on the line. If that's the only time it matters, why does it bother you to lose to us early in the season?

That is such a ridiculous line of thought.

 

[Sonny#9]

At least you admit cherry picking is subjective. I respect that.

Do you think George Allen and Sonny Jurgenson and company would agree that unless everything was on the line that the games against the Cowboys really didn't matter?

It's called a rivalry gentlemen. If you believe salt isn't rubbed into wounds when a rival beats you whether you are the better team or the worse of the two then you clearly don't understand rivalry.

Are you and SHF going to sit there and tell me losing to the Cowboys doesn't irk the crap out of you? Seriously?

Don't try and sell me that crap. You hate losing to us as much as we hate losing to you. The gravity of the game can make it worse, no doubt. But don't try and sell me that it only matters when everything is on the line. If that's the only time it matters, why does it bother you to lose to us early in the season?

That is such a ridiculous line of thought.

I would never sit and say that I have ever "not minded" a loss to the Cowboys. I was so p-o-ed after they lost in Texas Stadium last year I couldn't sleep. I want to beat the Cowboys all the time, everytime.

However, over time, some games just lose their importance. Did it suck seeing Stephen Davis fumble in the "epic" 9-7 game? Yep. But not nearly as bad as Ismail getting behind Matt Stevens in overtime of the opener of the '99 season.

I am sure the sweep in 1995 sucked, but probably not as bad the the NFC Title games (I only remember the one in the 81-82 season), or 2005.

It's like the difference of getting into a fight, and just being a little bruised as opposed to being scarred for life. Yeah being bruised sucks, but the wounds heal, and it passes. I am talking about the scarred-for-life games. The Dream Crushers. The games that make up Skins-Cowboys Lore.

 

[Hostile]

I would never sit and say that I have ever "not minded" a loss to the Cowboys. I was so p-o-ed after they lost in Texas Stadium last year I couldn't sleep. I want to beat the Cowboys all the time, everytime.

However, over time, some games just lose their importance. Did it suck seeing Stephen Davis fumble in the "epic" 9-7 game? Yep. But not nearly as bad as Ismail getting behind Matt Stevens in overtime of the opener of the '99 season.

I am sure the sweep in 1995 sucked, but probably not as bad the the NFC Title games (I only remember the one in the 81-82 season), or 2005.

It's like the difference of getting into a fight, and just being a little bruised as opposed to being scarred for life. Yeah being bruised sucks, but the wounds heal, and it passes. I am talking about the scarred-for-life games. The Dream Crushers. The games that make up Skins-Cowboys Lore.

Then why haven't the 1972 and 1982 NFC Championship games lost importance to you? Why haven't your 3 Super Bowl wins lost importance to you?

Funny how that doesn't apply when looked at honestly.

 

[Sonny#9]

Yes I am talking about the ATL section and there are 1 different team thread for every 5 cowboy threads in that section and the majority are from the same 2 morons TR1 and Bubba. I would be embarrassed to have those 2 representing the Commander fans if I was a Commander fan.

Here's the thing though...those threads generate some very good discussion, if you ignore the "special children" on both sides of the argument. So while not very many people take tr1 very seriously, he does provide a service. He generates a lot of discussion.

Like I've said before -- there are fans of both teams that really should be ignored, and nothing more then "Best of luck on the season" needs be said.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

If I may throw in my two cents here:

Obviously, the Cowboys have a much better overall head-to-head record then the Commanders. And I don't think SkinsHokie -- if I may speak for my fellow Skins fan -- is debating that. However, this whole debate was sparked by a comment stating that the Cowboys have been "crushing the Skins dreams for years."

What I would really like to see, if someone can do the research, is how many times a Skins-Cowboys game officially ended a realistic chance at the post-season (i.e. eliminating games where one team was sitting at 1-7, where one more loss officially eliminates them.) -- call 'em Dream Crusher Games.

I know could be pretty subjective, but it might be interesting to see.

Said it far better then I could. I should stick to the original argument and not get drawn into others

Does it piss me the hell off each time we lose to the Cowboys? You damn right it does. Have my dreams been crushed as a Commander fan though with any of those losses? No, there haven't been any "dream crushing" losses in my lifetime, just irritating "how the hell did we lose to those schmucks" type losses (that whole 10 game losing streak being an example)

 

[Sonny#9]

Then why haven't the 1972 and 1982 NFC Championship games lost importance to you? Why haven't your 3 Super Bowl wins lost importance to you?

Are you going to tell me that a big win, in the NFC Title game should mean as much as two 5-11 teams going at it 10 years ago?

 

[zrinkill]

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all the proof thats needed.

In a thread about how obsessed Commander fans are with the Boys ..... the 2 top posters are Commander fans.

 

[Sonny#9]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/member.php?u=6621all the proof thats needed.

And what does that prove?

 

[Hostile]

Are you going to tell me that a big win, in the NFC Title game should mean as much as two 5-11 teams going at it 10 years ago?

Are you going to tell me that only your wins are allowed to be important? Because right now that is exactly what you are doing. Only Commanders fans can judge when a win matters and when it doesn't. How very convenient and phony.

 

[Sonny#9]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/member.php?u=6621In a thread about how obsessed Commander fans are with the Boys ..... the 2 top posters are Commander fans.

...started by a Cowboys fan posting a link to a Commanders message board. It's called a rivalry.

Best of luck on the season...

 

[Sonny#9]

Are you going to tell me that only your wins are allowed to be important? Because right now that is exactly what you are doing. Only Commanders fans can judge when a win matters and when it doesn't. How very convenient and phony.

I have no idea where you got that from. Take another look at my post never downplayed any of the Cowboys wins, just because they were Cowboys wins. In fact, I used two of them as an example:

Did it suck seeing Stephen Davis fumble in the "epic" 9-7 game? Yep. But not nearly as bad as Ismail getting behind Matt Stevens in overtime of the opener of the '99 season.

I am saying there are games, on both sides, that don't matter as much as others. I guarantee losing the regular season finale didn't mean very much to Cowboys fans, did it? (That's an honest question, for the sake of discussion. In no way is it meant to be inflammatory)