Commanders add Rex Grossman

[Sonny#9]

I bet you do too

Yes, Vinny may have been the personnel guy. Vinny may have pushed for these players.

And therefore he would be advising Snyder on who to sign.

But Snyder is as hands on, maybe more so than any owner in this league.

Um who is the GM of the Cowboys? Who is the GM of the Raiders? Thought so. And before you get your panties in a bunch -- Jones is a better "GM" than Snyder/Cerrato. Happy? But is definitely more hands on.

I refuse to believe that an almost decade long of bad decisions all rest entirely, or mostly on Vinny Cerrato. He was just a convenient scapegoat because his title as GM or Vice President opened him to it. But you know damn well Snyder was the driving force behind all of it.

Again reading is your friend, I said the LAST 2 YEARS.

I'm not dismissing it. I'm just not entirely impressed. You once hired a HOF coach too. I'm just not listening to you guys try to harp on anything about the Commanders anymore. You guys have been wrong for forever.

You have repeatedly dismissed it. You've repeatedly said it is going to be the "same offense" and repeatedly said "same old Commanders." So which is it?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And therefore he would be advising Snyder on who to sign.



Um who is the GM of the Cowboys? Who is the GM of the Raiders? Thought so. And before you get your panties in a bunch -- Jones is a better "GM" than Snyder/Cerrato. Happy? But is definitely more hands on.

Um, did you not read that I also said that Snyder is as hands on? There were 2 parts to that statement.

Again reading is your friend, I said the LAST 2 YEARS.

Did Snyder take a hiatus during these 2 years?

You have repeatedly dismissed it. You've repeatedly said it is going to be the "same offense" and repeatedly said "same old Commanders." So which is it?

IT is being realistic. If you guys expect major changes in the results of your franchise next year, then I feel really sorry for you guys. Well not really, you guys should have learned your lesson by now. Until you replenish the talent on your roster, you are going nowhere.

 

[ShiningStar]

And therefore he would be advising Snyder on who to sign.



Um who is the GM of the Cowboys? Who is the GM of the Raiders? Thought so. And before you get your panties in a bunch -- Jones is a better "GM" than Snyder/Cerrato. Happy? But is definitely more hands on.



Again reading is your friend, I said the LAST 2 YEARS.



You have repeatedly dismissed it. You've repeatedly said it is going to be the "same offense" and repeatedly said "same old Commanders." So which is it?

how is it different so far? Hasnt done anything impressive so far. has it won any games yet?

Sorry we've seen this song and dance before from teh Skins and we get the same reaction from the Skin fans. its boring and trite and the only people who agree with it are Skin fans. You are not going to find many Cowboy fans all of sudden fearful of the Shanahan Commanders in the first offseason.

You are piping up another paper championship and Cowboy fans are not going to be impressed, we have our own champions to deal with.

Now we are glad you are taking most of the same steps and yes it was a tad bit scary when Vinny was fired but if you want some kind of thrill from us Cowboy fans its not going to come this year, nor even if you go 6-0 again.

We can wait, nothing is over til the season is over and this one has yet to begin and point of fact, no team has done anything impressive yet.

 

[Sonny#9]

Um, did you not read that I also said that Snyder is as hands on? There were 2 parts to that statement.

You stated he was AS hands on. Yes I got that part. However the word "as" in that context would mean his level of involvement with the day-to-day football operations would equal that of Jerry Jones and Al Davis. The mere presence of Bruce Allen and Mike Shannahan disprove that. Both Davis and Jones are the GMs of their teams, and owners. Therefore, they would have MORE involvement in their teams. It's simple logic, Bob.

Did Snyder take a hiatus during these 2 years?

Go back and point to where I said Snyder was free from blame.

IT is being realistic. If you guys expect major changes in the results of your franchise next year, then I feel really sorry for you guys. Well not really, you guys should have learned your lesson by now. Until you replenish the talent on your roster, you are going nowhere.

I expect a better, more effecient offense for the sole reason that both Kyle and Mike Shannahan are known for their offensive prowess. Zorn's incredibly simple and predictable play calling is no more.

Do I expect a winning record? Nope. 6-7 wins would be solid improvement. Solid improvement -- nothing more.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You stated he was AS hands on. Yes I got that part. However the word "as" in that context would mean his level of involvement with the day-to-day football operations would equal that of Jerry Jones and Al Davis. The mere presence of Bruce Allen and Mike Shannahan disprove that. Both Davis and Jones are the GMs of their teams, and owners. Therefore, they would have MORE involvement in their teams. It's simple logic, Bob.

:laugh2:We have Wade Phillips and Stephen Jones. How is that any different than you guys having Shanny and Allen?

Like with Snyder, all the final decisions go through Jerry Jones' desk.

Go back and point to where I said Snyder was free from blame.

Why are you arguing with me then?

I expect a better, more effecient offense for the sole reason that both Kyle and Mike Shannahan are known for their offensive prowess. Zorn's incredibly simple and predictable play calling is no more.

How much better? You guys aren't going to be that much talented than you were last year. And that 700-playbook offense didn't do much better for you guys either.

Do I expect a winning record? Nope. 6-7 wins would be solid improvement. Solid improvement -- nothing more.

OK, I guess.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'll explain the Wade Phillips and Stephen Jones point to you anyways.

2 of our free agent acquisitions last year, and you of all people should know them quite well. They contributed to subduing your O twice last year. Igor Olshansky and Keith Brooking bear all the marks of Wade Phillips, who coached both in San Diego and Atlanta, respectively. Stephen Jones was behind the wheel of the get-rid-of-TO bandwagon and is playing a prominent role now in the operations of our team. Of course Jerry still exercises full control, hence the trade for Roy Williams and bringing back Campo, who had a hand in us signing Gerald Sensabaugh who he coached In Jacksonville. Plus rubber-stamping all player acquisitions and cuts, but he defers a lot to the football people.

 

[Sonny#9]

I'll explain the Wade Phillips and Stephen Jones point to you anyways.

2 of our free agent acquisitions last year, and you of all people should know them quite well. They contributed to subduing your O twice last year. Igor Olshansky and Keith Brooking bear all the marks of Wade Phillips, who coached both in San Diego and Atlanta, respectively. Stephen Jones was behind the wheel of the get-rid-of-TO bandwagon and is playing a prominent role now in the operations of our team. Of course Jerry still exercises full control, hence the trade for Roy Williams and bringing back Campo, who had a hand in us signing Gerald Sensabaugh who he coached In Jacksonville. Plus rubber-stamping all player acquisitions and cuts, but he defers a lot to the football people.

Yeah I bet Wade Phillips has a lot of input. Who is the one in front of the camera about player moves 99% of the time? Jerry Jones. Who wants his "players nervous?" Jerry Jones. He is far more involved than Snyder. But you're going to believe what you want.

 

[Hostile]

Yeah I bet Wade Phillips has a lot of input. Who is the one in front of the camera about player moves 99% of the time? Jerry Jones. Who wants his "players nervous?" Jerry Jones. He is far more involved than Snyder. But you're going to believe what you want.

Judas Priest man, of course he is more involved than Snyder. Snyder has a GM. Jerry operates as his own GM. I get your need to try and defend your team and owner a little bit, but could you at least make your arguments reasonable?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah I bet Wade Phillips has a lot of input. Who is the one in front of the camera about player moves 99% of the time? Jerry Jones. Who wants his "players nervous?" Jerry Jones. He is far more involved than Snyder. But you're going to believe what you want.

No he's not.

 

[Kangaroo]

Commanders add Rex Grossman
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 17, 2010 9:59 AM ET
Mike Shanahan has acquired a new quarterback, albeit one who appeared in just one NFL game in 2009.

The Commanders reached an agreement this morning with former Bears and Texans quarterback Rex Grossman on a one-year deal. Adam Schefter of ESPN was the first to report the deal today.

PFT's Mike Florio reported on March 5 that the Commanders were interested in Grossman, and a league source told PFT that the contract is for the league minimum salary, plus incentives.

Grossman and new Commanders offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan were together in Houston last year. Grossman played in one game with the Texans, completing three of nine passes for 33 yards and an interception in a loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars. He played for the Bears from 2003 to 2008.

The Commanders were also reportedly interested in former Broncos quarterback Chris Simms.

He is at least a solid QB and not a bad backup to have the only issue with Rex is are you going to get good Rex or Bad Rex. He also a starting SB QB.

Solid signing for a team devoid at QB

 

[SaltwaterServr]

He is at least a solid QB and not a bad backup to have the only issue with Rex is are you going to get good Rex or Bad Rex. He also a starting SB QB.

Solid signing for a team devoid at QB

Disagree with everything you wrote, except the fact that he started in a Super Bowl which may have been only due to a lack of available options at the position.

Rex is the Jenna Jameson of NFL quarterbacks. Yeah, he sucks like that.

 

[Kangaroo]

Disagree with everything you wrote, except the fact that he started in a Super Bowl which may have been only due to a lack of available options at the position.

Rex is the Jenna Jameson of NFL quarterbacks. Yeah, he sucks like that.

He is a solid backup QB I did not say great is any worse then Kitna as a backup he can hold down the fort if he has to start in a pinch. You have the same game plan with Rex you would with kitna run run throw a pass here and there run run run some more

 

[SaltwaterServr]

He is a solid backup QB I did not say great is any worse then Kitna as a backup he can hold down the fort if he has to start in a pinch. You have the same game plan with Rex you would with kitna run run throw a pass here and there run run run some more

I'm not sure what you consider "solid" as far as back-ups go, but Grossman is a running joke by which horrible quarterbacks are measured. Solid back-ups aren't on their third team in 3 years.

He played one full season in which he posted 4 games of sub 40 QB ratings. 3 games into the next season he was benched. That's not solid anything, other than a solid defense that carried his sorry * in 2006.

With Kitna I can expect to win at least a few games. With Grossman, I would expect Brad Johnson like production on his best days.

 

[Mansta54]

He is at least a solid QB and not a bad backup to have the only issue with Rex is are you going to get good Rex or Bad Rex. He also a starting SB QB.

Solid signing for a team devoid at QB

Dude, Rex is hot garbage. Don't know what you've been watching. His defense and Devon Hester took them to the SB. Rex had very little to do with that..

 

[Sonny#9]

Judas Priest man, of course he is more involved than Snyder. Snyder has a GM. Jerry operates as his own GM. I get your need to try and defend your team and owner a little bit, but could you at least make your arguments reasonable?

So, the point Bob Sacamano made was that Snyder was "as involved as any owner" when clearly he is not...so what argument needs to be made more reasonable?

 

[Sonny#9]

No he's not.

Wow, what an in-depth, analytical response. You got me there...

 

[Hostile]

So, the point Bob Sacamano made was that Snyder was "as involved as any owner" when clearly he is not...so what argument needs to be made more reasonable?

First of all, I am not defending Bob. He can handle his own rat killing.

Second, your comment was that Jerry is more involved as an owner as Snyder and you mentioned the 99% thing on personnel moves as your evidence. That is nonsense.

In Cleveland is the Head Coach or owner talking to the media? Or is Mike Holmgren? Down in Miami, is it the Head Coach, owner, or is it Parcells?

For better or worse Jerry Jones is not just our owner, he is our GM. You do not have that claim with Snyder. So there is no comparison to be made.

Bottom line, the 2 most intrusive owners in the NFL are Al Davis and Dan Snyder. Jerry Jones intrusions are as the GM and that is not a comparable situation because most GMs or Presidents of Player Personnel (whichever title they want) are more intrusive than the owners in the day to day football operations and media contact. That is just a fact of life.

 

[Sonny#9]

First of all, I am not defending Bob. He can handle his own rat killing.

Second, your comment was that Jerry is more involved as an owner as Snyder and you mentioned the 99% thing on personnel moves as your evidence. That is nonsense.

In Cleveland is the Head Coach or owner talking to the media? Or is Mike Holmgren? Down in Miami, is it the Head Coach, owner, or is it Parcells?

For better or worse Jerry Jones is not just our owner, he is our GM. You do not have that claim with Snyder. So there is no comparison to be made.

Bottom line, the 2 most intrusive owners in the NFL are Al Davis and Dan Snyder. Jerry Jones intrusions are as the GM and that is not a comparable situation because most GMs or Presidents of Player Personnel (whichever title they want) are more intrusive than the owners in the day to day football operations and media contact. That is just a fact of life.

I see your point. And I will concede that, with under Cerrato, Snyder was as intrusive and involved as any owner in the league: the lunches, interviews with coaches about the game plans, the assinine coaching search that netted the Skins one of the worst HCs ever, etc. etc.

However, as all evidence this off-season shows, that is no longer the case. How long it stays that way remains to be seen; but for now, Allen and Shannahan have put Dan in the closet and told him to be quiet. He has removed himself from the football operations side.

It's still my opinion that Jones assigning himself the GM role, inherently, makes him one of the most intrusive owners in the league. How many other owners also act as the GM (serious question...b/c I don't really know off the top of my head)?

 

[Hostile]

I see your point. And I will concede that, with under Cerrato, Snyder was as intrusive and involved as any owner in the league: the lunches, interviews with coaches about the game plans, the assinine coaching search that netted the Skins one of the worst HCs ever, etc. etc.

However, as all evidence this off-season shows, that is no longer the case. How long it stays that way remains to be seen; but for now, Allen and Shannahan have put Dan in the closet and told him to be quiet. He has removed himself from the football operations side.

It's still my opinion that Jones assigning himself the GM role, inherently, makes him one of the most intrusive owners in the league. How many other owners also act as the GM (serious question...b/c I don't really know off the top of my head)?

Mike Brown in Cincinnati, Dan Rooney in Pittsburgh, and Al Davis in Oakland.

 

[Sonny#9]

Mike Brown in Cincinnati, Dan Rooney in Pittsburgh, and Al Davis in Oakland.

If I am not mistaken, or he has another title, Kevin Colbert is the GM of the Steelers.