Commanders' Monk, Green Elected to Hall

[GimmeTheBall!]

super pumped about Monk finally getting in. Appreciate the classy posts.

That stadium logo is impressive.

I wonder if a barber could do that Sean Taylor logo on your head? Now that would be classy.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

With such select players going into the HOF and so many blue chippers not making it this year, it becomes more apparent why marginal HOF performers like Chuck Howley have not made it yet.

 

[THUMPER]

I'm Glad Monk and Green are finally getting in. They deserve it, but until they enshrine Bob Hayes the Hall is a sham IMO.

I totally agree. Hayes not being enshrined is a travesty. :bang2:

 

[big dog cowboy]

I totally agree. Hayes not being enshrined is a travesty. :bang2:

You sir (as usual) are correct.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

did not care for this team but respect the players--congrats!

 

[Sarge]

Please move to NFL Zone

This is a non Dallas story but Skins deservedly enshrined.

Mods - get on this as soon as possible please...thank you.

 

[burmafrd]

Only someone ignorant of his accomplishments could call Howley a marginal HOF player. If that is true, what does it make Swann and Stallworth?

 

[Hostile]

Mods - get on this as soon as possible please...thank you.

Anyone moves it, I will move it back.

 

[joseephuss]

Nors has constantly proven over time that he only understands stats. Its a shame he is so blind but who really cares anyway. By the way its been clear for a long time that he is a Pats fan first then a boys fan.

You guys are wrong about Nors. He has not proven that he only understands stats. He doesn't understand them at all.

The stats show that Drew Bledsoe completed only 57.2% of his passes. This number is indicative of a guy who is not an accurate passer. Yet Nors says that Drew is one of the most accurate passers of all time and the reason the stats don't show that is because he did not dink and dunk his way down the field.

The stats also show that Bledsoe averaged 11.6 yards per pass completion(6.6 per pass attempt). That number does not support a guy who made his living throwing the ball deep down field. Like in the era Bob Hays played when QBs threw it deep all the time and averaged 13.3 yards per completion(6.8 per pass attempt). Other QBs that played for Parcells like Vinny and Phil Simms averaged more yards per pass completion than Bledsoe.

You can watch Bledsoe play and know that he was not one of the most accurate QBs of all time. You only need your eyes. Then go to the stats and they support what you see. Somehow Nors sees it differently and does not understand the stats.

 

[burmafrd]

Bledsoe was pretty good on DEEP balls. But that was all.

 

[Burgundy&Gold]

Very kind words...much appreciated. Monk should have gotten in long ago. And, contrary to a lot of fans out there, I thought Irvin was a sure fire Hall of Famer too.

 

[peplaw06]

46,64,49,53,40,34,35,15,15,22,7,6 receptions

He had maybe 5-6 good seasons. 35 years later he is not in Hall and if he was a sure shot haller he would be in. He's just Not.

Are you seriously using receptions stats to refute the induction of a wide receiver from the 1960s?

He had 64 catches for 1232 yards and 13 TDs in 14 games in 1966. That season, that was good for 4th in the NFL in number of catches, 2nd in yards, and 1st in TDs.

You seem to be comparing his numbers to modern day stats. Honestly sometimes I think you're 15 years old.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Much deserved by those two. Congrats to Green and Monk.

 

[Nightman]

Back in 1982 my 105 lb Crofton Cardinals(30 mins from DC) were having their end of the season awards dinner and who shows up, none other than Darrell Green. Granted I was a Cowboy fan but we all were amazed that he showed up to a small suburban function. He stayed over an hour and signed everything he could and took pictures with all the players. He was always a class act.

 

[Hostile]

Are you seriously using receptions stats to refute the induction of a wide receiver from the 1960s?

He had 64 catches for 1232 yards and 13 TDs in 14 games in 1966. That season, that was good for 4th in the NFL in number of catches, 2nd in yards, and 1st in TDs.

You seem to be comparing his numbers to modern day stats. Honestly sometimes I think you're 15 years old.

Why do you sound shocked? He's been doing this for years. He doesn't get it.

 

[WoodysGirl]

DID LOOMING LOGJAM DRIVE 2008 HOF VOTE?
Posted by Mike Florio on February 3, 2008, 7:41 a.m.
Our first reaction to the list of guys who’ll formally enter the Hall of Fame come August was that the Selection Committee wanted to take care of previously forgotten guys like Art Monk and Fred Dean and Andre Tippett and Gary Zimmerman before the coming crush of big-name Hall-eligible players arrives.

Guys like Emmitt Smith and Jerry Rice and Jerome Bettis and Curtis Martin and Tim Brown and I’m sure I’m missing someone(s) are coming up for consideration over the next few years. So, if some of the guys who have been hanging around the back of the room for several cycles didn’t get in now, they might not make it at all — unless and until they get a nomination from the Seniors’ Committee.

We ran that theory by a few with knowledge of the process, and found that there might be some appeal to that line of thinking.

One source agreed, but cautioned with respect to the 40-member selection committee that “it’s always dangerous to draw a conclusion from a group that has not much in common.”

Another source said that there’s “some merit” to this notion, but pointed out that the disparity between offensive (105) and defensive (58) players elected since 1960 helped persuade the Committee to try to correct the imbalance with this year’s class, which features four defensive players and only two from the other side of the ball. Also, “[t]his was the best chance for many of the pass rushers who have been languishing on the ballot to get in, and Zimmerman just seemed long overdue.”

So while on the surface it’s obvious that Cris Carter (and perhaps Andre Reed) and Derrick Thomas are more worthy of Canton than Monk and Dean/Tippett respectively, Carter, Reed, and Thomas will have a better chance of not getting lost in the shuffle as the big names of the ’90s and the early part of the present decade come closer to Canton.

 

[peplaw06]

Why do you sound shocked? He's been doing this for years. He doesn't get it.

:laugh2:

I'm really not shocked. It's Nors. But he was banned soon after I became a member. I didn't know the extent of his stupidity until he was allowed back.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Green and Monk CERTAINLY deserve to be in. There are many on this forum that have supported that for a long time...

Now, will Commander fans support, Bob Hayes, Drew Pearson, Cliff Harris and Harvey Martin getting in?

Right is right...

No, I guarantee most won't.

 

[BourbonBalz]

By the way, the fact that Chris Carter didn't get in on the first ballot just shows what a farce the HOF is now.