Commanders officially hire Zorn as OC

[jackrussell]

I suppose Saunders is out.... Sweet this will slow the progression of Jason Campbell.

Now come on....really...how much slower can it possibly get?

 

[big dog cowboy]

I can't believe they hired a OC before they hired a HC.

Who do they think they are the Dallas Cowboys???

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Spagnuolo is going to be in for a rude awakening when he finds out that only 1 guy on the Commander's front 4 can rush the passer

 

[CowboyWay]

Interesting...

Many skins fans (along with everyone else) made fun of us relentlessly for hiring Garrett before Phillips...

I'll be anxious to see the spin...

That was EXACTLY what I was thinking. Can't wait.

 

[bbgun]

They've never even worked together.

Not what I was implying.

Zorn Deal is True

This is from Jason Reid: We've confirmed an ESPN report that Jim Zorn has been hired as the Commanders' new offensive coordinator even though a head coach has not been named. We reported a couple days ago that Zorn was at the top of Jim Fassel's list of potential offensive coordinators and is very highly regarded by Gregg Williams as well.
The hiring of Zorn likely means that associate head coach -- offense Al Saunders is finished with the team. Owner Daniel Snyder and vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato were privately critical of the offense's performance under Saunders the past two seasons. The two were especially concerned, sources said, about the development of young quarterback Jason Campbell, whose progress is the organization's top priority.
UPDATE II: A source with knowledge of the situation said this evening that Saunders has been told to look for work elsewhere and that he does not expect to return to the team in any capacity.
Word of Zorn's hiring comes a day after Joe Gibbs called Commanders assistant coaches to tell them that the search for his replacement is likely to take several more weeks.
"They haven't told us anything [about Zorn]," one Commanders assistant said. "I heard about it on the radio. I have no idea what it means for us."

 

[Hostile]

I love how people on both sides of the argument are using the Offensive Coordinator hired before the Head Coach lines. Parcells, I mean Ireland, hired David Lee as his QB coach before Tony Sparano came on board. Atlanta declined to allow Dallas a chance to hire Emmitt Thomas, promoting him to Assistant Head Coach, and they did it before they announced Mike Smith as their Head Coach. San Diego denied Dallas permission to hire Tony Pagano before they hired Norv Turner themselves.

When is it going to sink in that teams do this stuff? Does a wall need to fall on some people?

 

[Tyronosaurus77]

When is it going to sink in that teams do this stuff? Does a wall need to fall on some people?

See also Garrett and Wade, it happens often for alot of teams. I cant believe so many people called Snyder an "idiot" for signing a OC before a coach...

Snyder has said that he is going to wait until after SuperBowl XLII , rumored that he wants to interview Spagnoulo and McDaniels. I guess with the Zorn hire one thing is for sure Williams and Saunders are going to be looking for new work soon enough.

 

[Hostile]

See also Garrett and Wade, it happens often for alot of teams. I cant believe so many people called Snyder an "idiot" for signing a OC before a coach...

Snyder has said that he is going to wait until after SuperBowl XLII , rumored that he wants to interview Spagnoulo and McDaniels. I guess with the Zorn hire one thing is for sure Williams and Saunders are going to be looking for new work soon enough.

That's what I was referencing. Last year when Garrett got hired before Wade the sky fell. Those who had to duck large chunks of it now are pointing out that the Commanders doing it means what we did was stupid. Those who never saw the large falling chunks of sky are saying see we're not unique.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

See also Garrett and Wade, it happens often for alot of teams. I cant believe so many people called Snyder an "idiot" for signing a OC before a coach...

While there are people saying that, I think many on this board are just laughing at the hypocrisy over at ES and CPND, both of whom lambasted Jerry for hiring Garrett before hiring Wade because according to them "nobody does that' unless "you're an idiot owner."

Although I question if they interview McDaniels. He runs a vastly different offense than Zorn.



YAKUZA

 

[Bach]

I love how people on both sides of the argument are using the Offensive Coordinator hired before the Head Coach lines. Parcells, I mean Ireland, hired David Lee as his QB coach before Tony Sparano came on board. Atlanta declined to allow Dallas a chance to hire Emmitt Thomas, promoting him to Assistant Head Coach, and they did it before they announced Mike Smith as their Head Coach. San Diego denied Dallas permission to hire Tony Pagano before they hired Norv Turner themselves.

When is it going to sink in that teams do this stuff? Does a wall need to fall on some people?

Of course just because Sparano wasn't officially named HC, because he couldn't be while Dallas' season was still underway, it's obvious he had already agreed to the job. At that time, I'm sure the staff plans were discussed. Not quite the same as having the OC hired before the HC was brought in.

Atlanta and SD could deny allowing a coach to make a lateral move, while still allowing the future HC to make the decision on whether to keep the assistant or not.

 

[Hostile]

Of course just because Sparano wasn't officially named HC, because he couldn't be while Dallas' season was still underway, it's obvious he had already agreed to the job. At that time, I'm sure the staff plans were discussed. Not quite the same as having the OC hired before the HC was brought in.

Atlanta and SD could deny allowing a coach to make a lateral move, while still allowing the future HC to make the decision on whether to keep the assistant or not.

No switching the arguments now. The argument was, "a Head Coach should be allowed to choose his own staff."

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I really used to love watching Zorn at QB.....that guy was fun to watch.......a winner

 

[SacredStar]

I suppose Saunders is out.... Sweet this will slow the progression of Jason Campbell.

I like change!!!

This means Gregg Williams gets the job i think

who cares as long as they continue to suck



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3214785

sorry if repost but i didn't see this.

Williams is now also out of the running.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3215121&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

 

[Bach]

No switching the arguments now. The argument was, "a Head Coach should be allowed to choose his own staff."

I still agree with that statement.

I also don't know that Sparano didn't choose his guys. He was already the choice even though he couldn't get officially named til our season was over.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

swim, Bach, swim

keep your head above water

 

[Bach]

Zorn leaving Seahawks

By CLARE FARNSWORTH
P-I REPORTER

KIRKLAND -- Jim Zorn was looking for assurances from the Seahawks after being offered a three-year contract to become the offensive coordinator of the Washington Commanders.

What he got was indifference.

So Zorn, the team's original quarterback who has coached the position the past seven seasons, is gone.

As done as Zorn's departure is, however, it is a deal no one would confirm. The Seahawks deferred to the Commanders, who do not plan to announce the hiring until Saturday, at the earliest.

But sources close to the situation said that Zorn, 54, is indeed leaving, with regrets.

After interviewing with Commanders owner Daniel Snyder in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday, Zorn returned to Seattle to discuss the situation with the Seahawks.

Zorn, who had one year remaining on his contract, would have stayed if the Seahawks had extended his deal. They would not, so he did not.



http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/footb...834_zorn26.html
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Looks like the news about Zorn to Washington was leaked early.

In other words, the Commanders likely were planning on announcing their HC and OC hires, and possibly DC at the same time, but news of Zorn leaving Seattle got out early.

 

[Hostile]

I still agree with that statement.

I also don't know that Sparano didn't choose his guys. He was already the choice even though he couldn't get officially named til our season was over.

It doesn't matter. I venture I can name a circumstance for every team where an incoming Head Coach did not choose someone on his staff.

 

[Bach]

It doesn't matter. I venture I can name a circumstance for every team where an incoming Head Coach did not choose someone on his staff.

That's fine. I still stand by the assertion that a HC should be able to hire his own staff. I seriously doubt most HC's worth their salt would be forced to keep an assistant he didn't want.

 

[Hostile]

That's fine. I still stand by the assertion that a HC should be able to hire his own staff. I seriously doubt most HC's worth their salt would be forced to keep an assistant he didn't want.

They all do. You name me a Head Coach in this day and age and he has had a coach on his staff that he did not hire.

 

[Bach]

They all do. You name me a Head Coach in this day and age and he has had a coach on his staff that he did not hire.

A new coach retaining someone that was already on that staff is a little different than a coach having assistant(s) forced on him with no say. There really aren't many instances where a GM hires an assistant from outside prior to the HC being hired. It's also a rarity when a HC wants to hire an assistant, but the GM overrules him and hires someone else.