Comments and questions about the Dolphins Game and the rest of the Season

[Gambit]

My point on the Micah penalty: Two very similar plays( not exactly the same) by Lawrence and Micah get called for Roughing the Passer in consecutive weeks. I thought the plays were very close calls, but the NFL protects QB’s. The players, coaches, and fans all know this! Lawrence and Micah should not be surprised about these 2 calls, but they both act like these calls were terrible calls and unfair. They weren’t terrible calls considering the NFL errs on the side of protecting QB’s. Our coaches should be explaining this to Lawrence and Micah, so a similar penalty does not happen a third week in a row

1. Micah call was ridiculously bad. The ref admitted the action wasn't a penalty. So no, I'm not telling Micah nothing there.

The announcers AND the league rules rep all said it wasn't a penalty. So no I'm not coaching Micah on anything there.

2. These type of penalties are results of being aggressive, you admit they were "close" telling players to stop being aggressive because the ref may make a bad call does nothing.

 

[JustChip]

CeeDee checked with the ref and the ref motioned for him to move back. So he did and then reset.

Yep. It’s unfortunate that occurred when the play call involved motion. No motion and there’s no penalty. But CeeDee shouldn’t have been too far forward to have had to move back.

 

[JustChip]

I don't think I saw the Lawrence play, I caught that game like at the end of the 1st Qtr.

I believe the TV commentators & rules analyst agreed Micah's wasn't a foul, right?

I thought I heard the same about the Lawrence play.

I know I see other defenders hitting QB's similarly to Micah and not getting called for it.

Lawrence’s wasn’t questionable in my opinion. He did absolutely nothing to pull up and, on top of that, hit Allen high with a forearm.

Micah’s was highly questionable, but likely an “offset” for an equally questionable call for a hit on Dak.

 

[Captain43Crash]

No, I actually got cussed out by Kearse on his Instagram because I commented how stupid his neutral zone penalty was. Lol. It was funny because I didn't even go in on him, just stated the facts. He then blocked me. I know because I had a follow up after his little hissy fit and it wouldn't post.

It freaking drives me crazy almost every game. I can't believe none of the coaches have stopped it. Such a simple fix that's been completely ignored.

That is extremely bad coaching if the coaches are not reviewing the penalties, especially the 2-3 idiotic penalties we commit almost every game.

 

[Captain43Crash]

Yep. It’s unfortunate that occurred when the play call involved motion. No motion and there’s no penalty. But CeeDee shouldn’t have been too far forward to have had to move back.

Thank you! Exactly.

CD is a great player, but he was way over the LOS.

 

[Captain43Crash]

No doubt they protect the QB's but the rules are written to do that. It should not be the ref's overriding the rules with something like "intent". The rules states it isn't a foul within two steps unless they defender commits another violation such as leading with the head, etc.. Micah did not commit any other violation & was within two steps. That's why you pay guys who can get pressure & hits on the QB. The other team should block better so he can't make contact legally. (That's just my rant. Not disrespecting your opinion)

Two different refs in back to back games called Roughing the Passer on Lawrence and Micah on similar plays. I don’t know what else to say.

I can say: Yes the refs are terrible AND we make more dumb penalties than just about any other team.

 

[Chasing6]

Two things can be true:

The refs are terrible and we make terribly stupid penalties. Micah definitely gets held a lot and doesn’t get ANY calls, but he made a terribly stupid penalty by leading with a forceful elbow into Tua’s chest right after the throw. The week before Lawrence put an elbow forcefully into Allen’s chest! What happened. He also got called for Roughing the Passer. Micah was whining like a baby on the sideline. It was embarrassing! Do these guys learn from their mistakes. You cannot throw a forceful elbow into the QB’s chest right after the throw!!!! Do the coaches review the dumb as_ plays and say, “don’t do this again”.

CD Lamb lines up offsides. He needs the ref to motion him to move back. While he is moving back, another player is in motion. CD gets called for illegal motion and a positive play is negated. Again, do our guys learn from their mistakes. Players, especially defensive player have been lining up offsides all year( Fowler twice in 1 game).

Why are we NOT running the QB sneak on the 1 foot line? We are usually pretty da_ good at it. We have Dak and 2 elite guards. We try a handoff to Luepke instead. The handoff is botched. With a handoff there are more guys handling the ball. Dak is moving back not forward. The play takes longer to develope. More chance a defensive player will penetrate and blow up the play. So many reasons to just run the dang QB sneak! Late in the 4th quarter we are again on the 1 foot long. Do we learn from our mistake earlier and run the QB sneak? No, we run the DUMBEST PLAY OF THE YEAR. A play action pass from the 1 foot line. Our backup tackle who has been missing blocks all game let’s the DE run right past him and sack Dak for a 9 yard lose!!!( It took GREAT plays by Dak and Cooks to get the TD). Whiners with Steve Young and the Patriots with Brady almost always ran the QB sneak on 3rd or 4th and a foot. They had 2 of the best offenses in football and they did not get cute or fancy. They ran the basic QB sneak and were successful over 90% of the time!!! Philly is even more successful with the Tush Push. Run the dam QB sneak on 3rd or 4th and a foot!!!!!!

I thought all in all the D played pretty darn good. They held arguably the best offense in football to 22 points and forced them to kick mostly long FG’s. BUT when the game was on the line, and our Offense, finally gave us the lead, the defense was pathetic. Miami went straight down the field passing and running. Our D allowed them to kick a chip shot FG, while also running out the clock. Again, overall good D, but PATHETIC when we needed them the most.

Our Offense, including Dak struggled throughout the game, especially in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. We made some big plays, but everything seemed hard. Fangio’s scheme( mostly zone ) and talented defense made things hard for the O to figure out. Dak and the Offense did suck it up at the end of the game. They had a very hard fought drive to finally take the lead. The Offense does deserve credit for continuing to fight on under tough circumstances. I am worried about Dak playing against good zone defenses.

The Coaches: Today they had us ready to play. They had a good game plan and it was working well early in the game. Without the fumble we have a commanding lead. BUT our coaches did not adjust NEAR as well, as the Miami coaches. Our offense struggled mightily in the 2nd and 3rd quarter. They had 2 safeties deep an we were not able to exploit it with our run game. OUR RUN SCHEME is too basic! We had a misdirection run where we had one receiver in motion to the right and one going to the left. We handed the ball up the middle. Do to the misdirection Pollard had a huge hole. It was a well designed misdirection run. We do not have enough misdirection runs in our play book like this!! To many basic runs inside the tackles with very little misdirection.

Dan Quinn was slow to adjust, to Miami’s adjustments. We were having success early covering their receivers in zone, so Miami’s coach started using their TE’s over the middle. On most plays their TE’s were wide open. Took Quinn to long to adjust to this adjustment by the Miami coach.

Lamb is a stud but we still need to spread the ball around.

I think we will win our next 2 games and Philly will lose once to the Giants. We will win the NFC East and be the 2nd seed. IF, we play up to our potential and don’t make to many stupid mistakes AND run the dam QB sneak on 3rd/4th and a foot, we can win 2 playoff games at home. Hopefully, someone will knock of the Whiners before we have to play them.

We are a very flawed team, but still the 2nd best team in the NFC.

When playing good teams we are not talented enough to over come our mistakes, and the refs mistakes.

Our offense was strong early in the game. Then they made adjustments and it took us to long to figure it out. Good teams make adjustments. We seem to struggle in this area.

Is it an unwillingness to adjust or does it just take us too long time recognize it and then adjust?

 

[CWR]

That is extremely bad coaching if the coaches are not reviewing the penalties, especially the 2-3 idiotic penalties we commit almost every game.

It actually made me wonder because the game day tape shows the blue line, which makes it painfully obvious. The coaching film doesn't likely show it, but how could they not know? They are still getting called for it. If they actually saw the game day tape and didn't talk with the guys, I'd really have to question their attention to "detail." In either case it's terrible though.

It's actually bizarre to see them line up and constantly have someone's fat fingers across the line.

 

[Captain43Crash]

When playing good teams we are not talented enough to over come our mistakes, and the refs mistakes.

Our offense was strong early in the game. Then they made adjustments and it took us to long to figure it out. Good teams make adjustments. We seem to struggle in this area.

Is it an unwillingness to adjust or does it just take us too long time recognize it and then adjust?

Agree completely.

On both sides of the ball we were playing well vs Miami early in the game. Both Miami’s offensive and defensive coaches made adjustments. Miami controlled most of the 2nd and 3rd quarters because of their smart adjustments. Our coaches on both sides of the ball were very slow to adjust to Miami’s adjustments!

We got out coached by Miami! It brought back nightmares of Jason Garrett getting out coached every time we played a good team.

 

[Captain43Crash]

It actually made me wonder because the game day tape shows the blue line, which makes it painfully obvious. The coaching film doesn't likely show it, but how could they not know? They are still getting called for it. If they actually saw the game day tape and didn't talk with the guys, I'd really have to question their attention to "detail." In either case it's terrible though.

It's actually bizarre to see them line up and constantly have someone's fat fingers across the line.

Or someone’s complete upper body. CD’s whole body was offsides.

 

[Captain43Crash]

Yep. It’s unfortunate that occurred when the play call involved motion. No motion and there’s no penalty. But CeeDee shouldn’t have been too far forward to have had to move back.

That penalty cost us a 1st down from the 10-11 yard line and a very possible TD. We had to settle for a FG.

Stupid penalties have killed this team this year. See the Philly loss. On the 6 yard line we implode with penalties. We easily could have beat Philly, if we don’t make any stupid from the 6 yard line!!!!!!!!!!

We could be the 2nd seed if we did not make stupid penalties in that situation!!!!!!

 

[Creeper]

I think Micah used more force than he should have. He didn’t let up like he should have. I also think Lawrence used more force than he should have and didn’t let up like he should have. Both players, two weeks in a row, were called for Roughing the a passer!

Should Lawrence and Micah keep playing the same way after the QB throws the ball, because they do not think it is Roughing the Passer, or should they adjust their play because the refs are consistently calling Roughing the Passer on them?
Should the coaches be talking to them?

My point was the Micah call was really in the judgement of the ref. Lawrence was just late. His blow was not that hard and Allen did a lot of acting but it was after he took his second step.

 

[Captain43Crash]

1. Micah call was ridiculously bad. The ref admitted the action wasn't a penalty. So no, I'm not telling Micah nothing there.

The announcers AND the league rules rep all said it wasn't a penalty. So no I'm not coaching Micah on anything there.

2. These type of penalties are results of being aggressive, you admit they were "close" telling players to stop being aggressive because the ref may make a bad call does nothing.

I would review the film of the Lawrence and Micah Roughing the Passer calls with the entire defense: I would say 2 weeks in a row we have been called for this type of play. It is close to being legal, BUT according to the refs in our games the are throwing the DAM flag! STOP doing it! Play aggressive as hell getting to the QB, but do not shove your forearm/elbow into the QB’s upper body AFTER the ball is out of the QB’s hand!!

 

[Captain43Crash]

My point was the Micah call was really in the judgement of the ref. Lawrence was just late. His blow was not that hard and Allen did a lot of acting but it was after he took his second step.

See my comment above. How I think the coaches should handle these Roughing calls on Lawrence and Micah. Do you agree?

 

[Gambit]

I would review the film of the Lawrence and Micah Roughing the Passer calls with the entire defense: I would say 2 weeks in a row we have been called for this type of play. It is close to being legal, BUT according to the refs in our games the are throwing the DAM flag! STOP doing it! Play aggressive as hell getting to the QB, but do not shove your forearm/elbow into the QB’s upper body AFTER the ball is out of the QB’s hand!!

So you'd neuter them, admit it is a legal play but stop commiting legal plays.

Ok bold strategy Cotton, let's see how that works out for you.

 

[Captain43Crash]

So you'd neuter them, admit it is a legal play but stop commiting legal plays.

Ok bold strategy Cotton, let's see how that works out for you.

I would look at the reality of the situation and coach accordingly.

What would you do Skippy? Tell them to keep on doing the exact same thing because it is not supposed to be a penalty, even though they have called it a Roughing the Passer 2 weeks in a row.
Great strategy, Skippy!

 

[Creeper]

See my comment above. How I think the coaches should handle these Roughing calls on Lawrence and Micah. Do you agree?

I don't know that the coaches have to do anything. I think Lawrence, being a vet, knows what he did wrong. As a coach, I would not want to take the aggressiveness out of the defense. I certainly do not want them making arm tackles and potentially letting the QB escape. I would not have called the penalty on Micah. I just think that was bang-bang, and there was no ill intent. Like I said, Micah has never shown to be one of those dirty players. If I was the coach I would be more concerned about how little pressure they got on Tua with the exception of Micah.

 

[Chasing6]

So you'd neuter them, admit it is a legal play but stop commiting legal plays.

Ok bold strategy Cotton, let's see how that works out for you.

If you are going to risk a penalty then make it count. Lay his *** out.

 

[Captain43Crash]

If you are going to risk a penalty then make it count. Lay his *** out.

Kind of like Buffalo did to Dak.

If the Roughing the Passer knocks the QB out of the game it could be worth it?

 

[CWR]

Or someone’s complete upper body. CD’s whole body was offsides.

Yes that one was way worse, but he did apparently check with the official and he did get backed up and set before Ferguson went in motion. I watched the damn replay. They were itching to flag us. It was a bad call.

At least CD got corrected. The others are just oblivious.