Committed to Dak for years to come?

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Truth be told, Jerry and Stephen have painted themselves into a corner with their absurdly poor management. Now that they're stuck there, indefinitely, they're pathetically unable to get out of it. Sure, it's easy for Jerry to blame Dak for insisting upon being paid according to the NFL standard salary for QBs but, in reality, he was solely responsible for failing to get him for a far lesser amount years ago. Now that they team is stuck with a financial situation that they're unable to avoid, the team as a whole will be bound to suffer. The players and fans certainly deserve better than what they're likely to be getting in 2023. Keeping expectations at arms length will surely be the order of the day.

I can't help but to feel sorry for Coach McCarthy because he'll be hard pressed to cope with the task that's expected of him. I fear this team is about to experience a year of frustration yet again, with MM having to take the blame for circumstances beyond his control. There seems a good chance that he might very well be blamed for a record that Jerry and Stephen are dissatisfied with at year's end. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Let's not be surprised if our FO fails to tend to achieving what they'd like to and point an accusing finger at McCarthy for being unable to change the inevitable. Dak will sure bear the brunt of this FO's failures as well. It seems some things never change.
Agree that the main concern is the Jones financial managementdue to their policy of keeping/extending ALL of 'Our Guys', however, Dak's struggles have compounded matters as I'm convinced the 'plan' was to build around him and even go All-In during the last two years of the contract.
Dak's performance last year and inability to step up has seriously questioned this strategy.
 

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Unless the Cowboys don't mind taking a 30 million dollar hit give or take a few million against the CAP for several years down the line, I believe Jerry is making a HUGE mistake extending is contract! Dak's dead CAP numbers for the next 4 years are: 2023 - $89,000,000 2024 - $39,940,000 2025 - $32,810,000 & 2026 - $3,600,000. If the Cowboys extend and renegotiate Dak's contract, that money doesn't just go away, it just pushes down the road, meaning we are stuck with Dak even longer! Take the hit the next 3 years and then they can renegotiate or cut him in 2026. As for now, put as many good players around him as possible and hope he gets better! By the end of 2025, he will have just finished his 10th year in the league and they can then decide which way to go with Dak! Jerry suggested yesterday that he believes in Dak and that he is trending in the way of BRADY?? If Dak were Brady, he would have already won 3 Super Bowls and lost 1!! Jerry is drinking his own Kool-Aide AGAIN so until this mindset changes, we are who we are and no amount of great receivers is going to change this!
we are going to restructure for sure. if the team was a 5-12 team, perhaps you take a massive hit and you move on, but not when you went to the second round of playoffs and lost in the 4th quarter. so Jerry and company will try...kind of.

he will get restructured, probably without much added to the contract but front loading with bonuses and spread it out. perhaps 2 additional years as it was done originally. Prescott and his agent also know his market value has dropped. his agent will play hardball at first, knowing cowboys can't do much with a 49M cap hit. subsequently, this will allow us to walk away after two years. this was almost always a 4 year deal.
 

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we are going to restructure for sure. if the team was a 5-12 team, perhaps you take a massive hit and you move on, but not when you went to the second round of playoffs and lost in the 4th quarter. so Jerry and company will try...kind of.

he will get restructured, probably without much added to the contract but front loading with bonuses and spread it out. perhaps 2 additional years as it was done originally. Prescott and his agent also know his market value has dropped. his agent will play hardball at first, knowing cowboys can't do much with a 49M cap hit. subsequently, this will allow us to walk away after two years. this was almost always a 4 year deal.
He'll be restructured (just moving base salary into bonus - 24/25/26), there is no new money (or front loading). There is no extension, as far as I've heard, France will wait until the massive CAP increases in '24/'25 (when tv money really kicks in)....he'll have Jerry over a barrel (again), especially as there will be a number of teams with much healthier CAP balances.
 

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Unless the Cowboys don't mind taking a 30 million dollar hit give or take a few million against the CAP for several years down the line, I believe Jerry is making a HUGE mistake extending is contract! Dak's dead CAP numbers for the next 4 years are: 2023 - $89,000,000 2024 - $39,940,000 2025 - $32,810,000 & 2026 - $3,600,000. If the Cowboys extend and renegotiate Dak's contract, that money doesn't just go away, it just pushes down the road, meaning we are stuck with Dak even longer! Take the hit the next 3 years and then they can renegotiate or cut him in 2026. As for now, put as many good players around him as possible and hope he gets better! By the end of 2025, he will have just finished his 10th year in the league and they can then decide which way to go with Dak! Jerry suggested yesterday that he believes in Dak and that he is trending in the way of BRADY?? If Dak were Brady, he would have already won 3 Super Bowls and lost 1!! Jerry is drinking his own Kool-Aide AGAIN so until this mindset changes, we are who we are and no amount of great receivers is going to change this!
Jerry is delusional. We'll have Prescott for another 5-7 years. Count on it. Our one hope is to repeat the 2016 team with our current defense. That's a team that can win a championship. The only area I disagree with is with Tom Brady. Tom Brady doesn't win any SBs on the Cowboys. Dallas never had a defense good enough. If I had to guess, the last two years might have made a difference with Brady on the team.
 

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Jerry is delusional. We'll have Prescott for another 5-7 years. Count on it. Our one hope is to repeat the 2016 team with our current defense. That's a team that can win a championship. The only area I disagree with is with Tom Brady. Tom Brady doesn't win any SBs on the Cowboys. Dallas never had a defense good enough. If I had to guess, the last two years might have made a difference with Brady on the team.
We are unlikely to be able to repeat the 2016 with a Dak getting a further mega deal from 2025 (which we're already paying him $21m in Void money). For a start we won't be able to retain the roster (remembering there were 5 first round picks on the 2016 Offense).
 

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Truth be told, Jerry and Stephen have painted themselves into a corner with their absurdly poor management. Now that they're stuck there, indefinitely, they're pathetically unable to get out of it. Sure, it's easy for Jerry to blame Dak for insisting upon being paid according to the NFL standard salary for QBs but, in reality, he was solely responsible for failing to get him for a far lesser amount years ago. Now that they team is stuck with a financial situation that they're unable to avoid, the team as a whole will be bound to suffer. The players and fans certainly deserve better than what they're likely to be getting in 2023. Keeping expectations at arms length will surely be the order of the day.

I can't help but to feel sorry for Coach McCarthy because he'll be hard pressed to cope with the task that's expected of him. I fear this team is about to experience a year of frustration yet again, with MM having to take the blame for circumstances beyond his control. There seems a good chance that he might very well be blamed for a record that Jerry and Stephen are dissatisfied with at year's end. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Let's not be surprised if our FO fails to tend to achieving what they'd like to and point an accusing finger at McCarthy for being unable to change the inevitable. Dak will sure bear the brunt of this FO's failures as well. It seems some things never change.
You hit the nail right on the head: they gave all the money to a QB that can’t get it done and now they are trapped financially. With no way out. Take a massive cap hit or extend the problem. All they’re spouting and rambling is just putting lipstick on a pig. They are also constrained in putting the best pieces around him. The end results won’t change, including the speeches about doing better next year.
 

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Unless the Cowboys don't mind taking a 30 million dollar hit give or take a few million against the CAP for several years down the line, I believe Jerry is making a HUGE mistake extending is contract! Dak's dead CAP numbers for the next 4 years are: 2023 - $89,000,000 2024 - $39,940,000 2025 - $32,810,000 & 2026 - $3,600,000. If the Cowboys extend and renegotiate Dak's contract, that money doesn't just go away, it just pushes down the road, meaning we are stuck with Dak even longer! Take the hit the next 3 years and then they can renegotiate or cut him in 2026. As for now, put as many good players around him as possible and hope he gets better! By the end of 2025, he will have just finished his 10th year in the league and they can then decide which way to go with Dak! Jerry suggested yesterday that he believes in Dak and that he is trending in the way of BRADY?? If Dak were Brady, he would have already won 3 Super Bowls and lost 1!! Jerry is drinking his own Kool-Aide AGAIN so until this mindset changes, we are who we are and no amount of great receivers is going to change this!
Bite the cap bullet and make this turd of a QB a Pre- June 1st 2024 cut.
Enough already he is what he is and he ain't changing!!!
 

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Even though I understand the financial misery they have brought upon themselves, I still vomit every time I think of continuing on this path for "years".

My heart will always want this organization to return to something I can be proud of but in the meantime I will enjoy good football wherever it is played and not be toyed with by the puppet masters illusions of putting together a championship level team.
 

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We are unlikely to be able to repeat the 2016 with a Dak getting a further mega deal from 2025 (which we're already paying him $21m in Void money). For a start we won't be able to retain the roster (remembering there were 5 first round picks on the 2016 Offense).
I wouldn't be so sure about that. It can be done if they keep Dak's cap hit low. That 2016 season was successful due to the run game, and Dak dropping back to pass against a lot of heavy run defenses. Similar to Jalen Hurts last year. Similar to Romo in 2014. And both 2014 and 2016 we had crap defenses.

We have about a two year window. Get that run game going and team it up with this defense. It's a lot easier to pass when your run game is killing it. The 49ers are showing us this as well. This is why I am not against drafting the top RB at 26. I just don't thin he'll be there.
 

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Or....

There could actually be legitimate competition at the position.

Draft another quarterback!

It's the only way to add a legitimate potential starter without having to dish out another 30+ mil.

That way, if Dak's agent tries to play hardball, then Jerry has a better response than stall tactics. Because,of course, this is followed by an even larger demand by Dak's agent.
I love the idea, and it’s exactly what I want them to do. But I think the team will instead rush into an extension to free up more money to spend poorly on things like tagging Pollard, ahead of the draft.
 

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dak is dak and not going to change or get any better than he is today. qb's in this stratosphere money wise have usually -proven more than dak by the time their payday candy bar comes home.

he's a qb that can light a fire on the field one week, and pretty much be MIA the next. his inconsistency is his only real consistency at this point. can he put 3+ games together during a playoff run? has he *ever* put 3 solid games together and won?

but the cowboys are stuck with him. extending him to save $$$ today only means he'll be consistently proving his inconsistency over many years to come. the $$$ has become a catch 22. can't get rid of him cause it costs too much to do so but won't get any better in a real sense based off a lot of his own performance history.

as for having to give him weapons - i guffaw heartily at that. a great qb makes WR's his weapons and they go off in FA and never are the same player. these are the qb's you pay and build around.
 

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lol never thought of that, brainwash yourself with the repetitive dialogue and statements.

his latest is dak is natural born mistake corrector !!!@@@ lol
Dak may make a lot of mistakes lol, but dont worry he will correct those before new season starts!
It's such balony!
After 8 seasons he would be the best QB in the NFL, if he was constantly improving.
Instead last season was a major regression for him with all the interceptions.
This team is going nowhere fast as long as Jerry is at the helm.
He says things are as he wants them to be, instead of how things really are.
This is such a bad trait to have as a GM.
 

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As for now, put as many good players around him as possible and hope he gets better!
Dak is what he is. He may not improve physically but can improve his mental game. As to cutting down the INT's.
Yes, that can be done as you say. Surround him with better players. Also the play calling, and a more solid run game, and better schemes and route trees. Routes that play into his strengths.
That is where we need to see the improvements.
 

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It's clear we need to move on. The money on Dak is already spent. Throwing more money at Dak, is like a gambler chasing losses. Better to suck it up and move on as soon as cap space allows.
 

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He'll be restructured (just moving base salary into bonus - 24/25/26), there is no new money (or front loading). There is no extension, as far as I've heard, France will wait until the massive CAP increases in '24/'25 (when tv money really kicks in)....he'll have Jerry over a barrel (again), especially as there will be a number of teams with much healthier CAP balances.
perhaps some new money but in the backend, allowing us to take a large hit but not massive hit.

not sure what the rules are for paying bonuses on a restructure. I know there was a Deion rule to limit bonus paid on a new contract so teams wouldn't recruit players with upfront money. but not sure about restructures.
 

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Extended Prescott get the cap space. The cap is only going to go up especially after this year when the new contract kicks in.

Dallas can keep Prescott this year and next. Dallas can cut him in 2025 and take the dead money hit. Many teams have done this before and so can Dallas.

By 2025 Dallas will be restructuring other players(Lamb, Diggs, Parsons and others) to create space. It's not as dire as most believe.
I agree to a point, what the extension is does matter, they need to take the biggest hit they can and still make some moves so they can have options sooner rather than later. If MM/Dak can make the jump to the next step then fine, if not we need options and kicking the can down the road can make those worse.
 
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