lol i was waiting for a post like this just so you can realize how foolish you are being i will ask a couple of question but before that. Did you factor in JJ numbers with MB3 numbers to equal out to his stats and proclaim that he can get over 1300 yards when i've seen Mb3 crumble in the 2nd half (giants game)
Factor in JJs numbers in what regard? Are you asking if I just added JJ's numbers and MB3s #s? Are you asking if I took into account another RB also getting carries? Let me know for sure and I'll answer your question. In the mean time I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say this...If MB3 had of received half of JJs carries, on top of his own, then he would have been right on the cusp on 1300 yards even if he average 3.8 YPC on those extra runs. That's a full yard less than what he averaged on all of his other carries, but I calculated it like that just to take into account your assertion that he couldn't handle that many carries at the same productivity level. If you maintained the same YPC then he's at nearly 1400 yards rushing.
Also, you don't get to cite one game (Giants) as the definition of MB3s career or abilities and have it count as a reasonable argument. If you want to talk about past trends, as opposed to isolated incidents, then I'm all years. But if you're going to point to one game then I'll do the same and show you that Hambrick should still be our starter, that Tom Brady is not a SB worthy QB, and that we should be 100% confident in Romo holding out FG snaps.
As far as the Giant's game goes, Barber did not have a great half, but his performance was hardly poor enough to condemn his entire career. In the 3rd quarter he had 25 yards for 3.6 YPC (or maybe 3.4) and got a first down the only time he was given the ball on third down. In the 4th quarter he had 4 carries, which doesn't provide enough information about a player to say he's incapable of carrying the load when the games on the line. You can't define a player based on a quarter where he had low YPC, but was still converting on 3rd down, and a quarter where he got the ball 4 times.
For MB3 to be elite you would have to be willing to say some of the top 5-10 RB's in the league you wouldn't have on instead of MB3 so lets run down the list
LT
LJ
Westbrook
AP
Frank Gore
Willie Parker
Joseph Addai
Jamal Lewis
Willis Mcghee
Thomas Jones
Rudi Johnson
Stephen Jackson
Duece Mcallister
Ronnie Brown
Cadillac Williams
Warrick Dunn
A lot of these backs suffered injuries and if healthy Barber would never see the probowl under any cirumstance.
The only players I would consider taking are Tomlinson, Westbrook, Peterson, Addai, Jackson and Brown. I see no evidence to suggest that Barber can't be as, or more, effective than the other players on that list if he's given the same amount of carries. If you want to look at Barber's stat lines in the games where he's been around 20 carries then you might see why. Unless you want to cite the Giants game where he had 1 below average quarter and another statistically poor quarter where he had 4 carries as proof that he can't handle getting the ball enough times to be a real starter.
Like i said barber hasn't been the main back since High School. 21 carries in a first half never heard from again in the second half. I mean if you like your running backs to put up huge numbers in the first half and never hear from them agian then by all means MB3 is your guy.
The same two quarters argument? And ever think that Barber may have shared carries because he was on teams fortunate enough to have two RBs that the coaches thought could be effective? I mean in college he was teammates with a guy who was a first round pick and in the pros he came onto a team with a very promising back, who, after Barbers first 2 years, was within 7 yards of having back to back 1000 yard seasons while averaging 4 YPC. Hmm that could have something to do with the shared carries thing huh? Teams weren't just giving the ball to some scrub in order to limit Barbers touches.
For you to be so optimistic about barber you sure are pretty grim about CJ. But do go on i love this barber fan boyism and how **** MB3 is the greatest even though he puts up average numbers and we should never give up on him even though he's an average RB.
Above average YPC
Above average TD
Above average 1st down%
Above average 20+ yard runs
Above average fumbling rate
Above average rankings in FootballOutsiders.com rankings
Where are the stats that say he's average? Yards? That comes with carries. If you're using yards as your measure of a player then why don't you just use Madden Ratings to support your argument?
Ans yes I'm more grim about CJ than Barber. He played at ECU and has shown nothing in the NFL. That vs. a player who has proved himself in the NFL. How is that hard to understand? Proven vs. unproven?
16 games in a season if you can average 80 ypg that means you are are one of the better RB in the league 1000 yards means nothing but i don't blame you for feeling so high on MB3 after RB's like JJ and Troy Hambrick.
For Barber to average 80ypg with the number of carries that he got then he would have need over 6 yards per carry.
Since you want stats just look at the amount of 100 yard games compared 2 AP who was a rookie compared to MB3 who has more yas and if you still consider MB3 elite after that then........... =/
Carries. Again. And again, yards alone don't make a RB. Lendale White had more yards than Barber this year, do you take him instead? And yes, Peterson is better than Barber, I have no doubt saying that. Peterson is one of, if not the, best rookie RB the NFL has ever seen. Just because Barber isn't at Peterson's level doesn't mean he isn't one of the best.
Physical backs breakdown in the league if you don't believe me ask Natron Means and Jamal Anderson next thing you hqve us having the refigator in the backfield. Also these touchdowns and sucess ratio mean nothing 2 me when some1when he had i like tim tebow can have 12 roushing TD's 3 ytards or less or JEROME Bettis when he had 9 TD's an average 1 YPC
Finesse backs breakdown too. It's a part of playing football, all it takes is one wrong hit to end a season or a career, regardless of your play style. Who's proven more durable over their first three years, fast JJ or bruising MB3? If a RB gets carries then he takes punishment, regardless of his running style. Some people can handle more than others. You can't name two players our of thousands and assume that their outcome necessarily reflects Barbers.
TD's mean nothing to you? Do you realize that TDs = points? Im not sure what the rule book says, but I'm pretty sure that a TD is worth the same amount regardless of how far out it was scored from. Are you serious, touchdowns mean nothing to you? Unreal. How can you penalize a guy for getting the ball on the 3 yard line and taking it as far as he can and scoring?
