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Blandino had every reason to defend the call. At least with Pereira you have a case for a lack of bias. The funny thing is that Pereira says the ball never touched the ground

Here's what Pereira said: The key point is even though the ball didn’t hit the ground, which I don’t think it did, it was loose in his hands while Dez was touching out of bounds.

Here's what Steratore said: We deemed that by our judgment to be the full process of the catch, and at the time he lands and the ball hits the ground, it comes loose as it hits the ground, which would make that incomplete; although he re-possesses it, it does contact the ground when he reaches so the repossession is irrelevant because it was ruled an incomplete pass when we had the ball hit the ground."

So you've got two of the guys explaining why it wasn't a catch who can't even agree on whether the ball hit the ground. I think you need to find some more reliable sources.
Pereira was Blandino's boss and mentor. He stuck by the call until Blandino was no longer part of the NFL. He had bias and him immediately saying it was wrong the minute Blandino quit/got fired is very telling.
 

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Does anyone think we would have stopped Rodgers on the next drive? My only hope was that they would have scored so fast it would have given Romo a minute or so to do something

Definitely possible. It's not just Rodgers. An OL could have whiffed, a RB or WR could fumble, someone might tip a pass in the air (we had an opportunity for an INT from a batted ball on the drive following the Dez play). Or, maybe GB scores and Dallas has time to go score again.
 

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Pereira was Blandino's boss and mentor. He stuck by the call until Blandino was no longer part of the NFL. He had bias and him immediately saying it was wrong the minute Blandino quit/got fired is very telling.

Look up. gimmesix posted a wrong quote. LOL. But yes, bias, CONSPIRACY! and coverup when people don't get what they want. The way of the world now.
 

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Whoops. You're right on that one. Looked up Dez Bryant TD and Mike Pereira, but he was talking about the one in the Giants game.

About the Green Bay catch, he said: "I don’t agree he made a football move, certainly not in the context of the rule. He’s going to the ground, the ball pops out then."

As I've said, I don't think that interpretation meets the context of "indisputable evidence" for the replay rule. Anyway, it's time for me to bow out and go to sleep since I said a few posts back that I'm done with this argument.

I hope you have a good night.

No worries. You too.
 

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I'm just glad that they finally admit it. Almost worse that the ruling was Blandino's excuse-making for why it wasn't a catch.
I'm not. Green Bay has gotten away with this clown car stuffed full of zebras ever since the toad and Rodger's met. It's unimaginable what they have in their favor before they actually play the game. It's when football embarrassed the game . They ROBBED Tony Romo.
 

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Look up. gimmesix posted a wrong quote. LOL. But yes, bias, CONSPIRACY! and coverup when people don't get what they want. The way of the world now.
Comprehension really is not your strong point.

What part of that post was play related?
 

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Here's a hint. One says reach, the other one says lunge.
So why change it? What was wrong with it saying "lunge?"
While you're trying to think of that answer...

They needed an example of the Dez play, so they changed "lunge" to "reach," because by the second day after the overturn they had decided that no type of reach would have been a football move. After saying the first day (as they had said in descriptions of previous plays) that a reach would have been a football move.
 

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While you're trying to think of that answer...

They needed an example of the Dez play, so they changed "lunge" to "reach," because by the second day after the overturn they had decided that no type of reach would have been a football move. After saying the first day (as they had said in descriptions of previous plays) that a reach would have been a football move.

Already answered it. What stops one from going to the ground? A reach or a lunge?
 

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Already answered it. What stops one from going to the ground? A reach or a lunge?
By the 2014 rules either.
By your misinterpretation of the rules, just a lunge, that magical lunge on which we all are still waiting for that rule book citation.
 

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By the 2014 rules either.
By your misinterpretation of the rules, just a lunge, that magical lunge on which we all are still waiting for that rule book citation.

You're the one that brought us the case plays as evidence, right? The only move listed in them that stops one from going to the ground is a lunge, correct? I mean, do you have any other examples in the case plays YOU presented that stops one from going to the ground other than a lunge? Let me present the caseplay you and percy wish to avoid like the plague because it shows how a receiver can execute an act common to the game like "switching the ball" to one hand like you all claim Dez did, and yet does not complete a catch for a player going to the ground:

A.R. 8.12 GOING TO THE GROUND—COMPLETE PASS
First-and-10-on B25. A1 throws a pass to A2 who controls the ball and gets one foot down before he is contacted
by B1. He goes to the ground as a result of the contact, gets his second foot down, and with the ball in his right
arm, he braces himself at the three-yard line with his left hand and simultaneously lunges forward toward the
goal line. When he lands in the end zone, the ball comes out.
Ruling: Touchdown Team A. Kickoff A35. The pass is complete. When the receiver hits the ground in the end
zone, it is the result of lunging forward after bracing himself at the three-yard line and is not part of the process of
the catch. Since the ball crossed the goal line, it is a touchdown. If the ball is short of the goal line, it is a catch,
and A2 is down by contact.​

Remember, this is one of the case plays YOU presented to show that a receiver could complete the catch process while going to the ground. What is it here that bails the receiver out of being subject to going to the ground? He "switched the ball" to a single hand here just like you and others claim Dez did. Why did that not complete the catch, especially since it occurred before anything else the receiver did? Going to the ground takes precedence unless the receiver can do something to show he's not going to the ground. This is why number of steps, or "extra" steps are irrelevant with going to the ground. If you're falling, you're falling unless you do something that shows you aren't. Waving your hand around doesn't do that. This is why you and percy try to cling to the other A.R. 15.95 as the one that was "most like the Dez play" because this one proves that the "switched hands" act you all claimed previously actually meant nothing when GTTG applies. Even in that other case play, what does the receiver do to make that play a catch? Well lookie, lookie. The exact same act of lunging. Again, A.R. 8.12 is in the 2014 casebook AND 2015 casebook so the rule didn't change. So repeating the same lie about "upright long enough" doesn't fly to people who know the rule. That's why after being pinned in the other thread y'all try to move the discussion here to pander to the emotional people who don't care to understand and will sign on to anything that says "we wuz robbed." I don't need emotional waves to boost my case. I know the rule and taught you about it in the link below.

This post here from the other thread summed up my correction of your errors on these case plays quite nicely and helped people who actually wanted to understand the rule become clearer on it. Remember?
 

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You're the one that brought us the case plays as evidence, right? The only move listed in them that stops one from going to the ground is a lunge, correct? I mean, do you have any other examples in the case plays YOU presented that stops one from going to the ground other than a lunge? Let me present the caseplay you and percy wish to avoid like the plague because it shows how a receiver can execute an act common to the game like "switching the ball" to one hand like you all claim Dez did, and yet does not complete a catch for a player going to the ground:

A.R. 8.12 GOING TO THE GROUND—COMPLETE PASS
First-and-10-on B25. A1 throws a pass to A2 who controls the ball and gets one foot down before he is contacted
by B1. He goes to the ground as a result of the contact, gets his second foot down, and with the ball in his right
arm, he braces himself at the three-yard line with his left hand and simultaneously lunges forward toward the
goal line. When he lands in the end zone, the ball comes out.
Ruling: Touchdown Team A. Kickoff A35. The pass is complete. When the receiver hits the ground in the end
zone, it is the result of lunging forward after bracing himself at the three-yard line and is not part of the process of
the catch. Since the ball crossed the goal line, it is a touchdown. If the ball is short of the goal line, it is a catch,
and A2 is down by contact.​

Remember, this is one of the case plays YOU presented to show that a receiver could complete the catch process while going to the ground. What is it here that bails the receiver out of being subject to going to the ground? He "switched the ball" to a single hand here just like you and others claim Dez did. Why did that not complete the catch, especially since it occurred before anything else the receiver did? Going to the ground takes precedence unless the receiver can do something to show he's not going to the ground. This is why number of steps, or "extra" steps are irrelevant with going to the ground. If you're falling, you're falling unless you do something that shows you aren't. Waving your hand around doesn't do that. This is why you and percy try to cling to the other A.R. 15.95 as the one that was "most like the Dez play" because this one proves that the "switched hands" act you all claimed previously actually meant nothing when GTTG applies. Even in that other case play, what does the receiver do to make that play a catch? Well lookie, lookie. The exact same act of lunging. Again, A.R. 8.12 is in the 2014 casebook AND 2015 casebook so the rule didn't change. So repeating the same lie about "upright long enough" doesn't fly to people who know the rule. That's why after being pinned in the other thread y'all try to move the discussion here to pander to the emotional people who don't care to understand and will sign on to anything that says "we wuz robbed." I don't need emotional waves to boost my case. I know the rule and taught you about it in the link below.

This post here from the other thread summed up my correction of your errors on these case plays quite nicely and helped people who actually wanted to understand the rule become clearer on it. Remember?

No what this represents is your inability to interpret rules. A case play is a guide. The lunge in this case and in the case play on acts common to the game is an example, not the only act that has that result. But by all means kiss your colon hello while your head is in such close proximity.
 

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No what this represents is your inability to interpret rules. A case play is a guide. The lunge in this case and in the case play on acts common to the game is an example, not the only act that has that result. But by all means kiss your colon hello while your head is in such close proximity.

Oh, but when you presented the case plays, they were "proof." Now they're just examples. LOL.

Click on that link to review how you were interpreting those "examples." You weren't even making sense. LOL.
 

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Oh, but when you presented the case plays, they were "proof." Now they're just examples. LOL.

Click on that link to review how you were interpreting those "examples." You weren't even making sense. LOL.
They are proof that an act common to the game ends going to the ground. The example part is referencing your lack of understanding that case plays can't be all inclusive. No big surprise you are once again misrepresenting what others have said. And the fact that you choose to believe those directly involved in the overturn as proof, only further damages your case.

I noticed you continue to avoid the proof that the rule was changed in 2015 that Percy supplied as well, so here it is again.

A.R. 15.95 in its 2015 version is almost unrecognizable compared to 2014.

2014
A.R. 15.95
Act common to game
Third-and-10 on A20. Pass over the middle is ruled incomplete at the A30. The receiver controlled the pass with one foot down and was then contacted by a defender. As he went to the ground, he got his second foot down and then still in control of the ball he lunged for the line to gain, losing the ball when he landed.
Ruling: Reviewable. Completed pass. A’s ball first-and-10 on A30.
In this situation, the act of lunging is not part of the process of the catch. He has completed the time element required for the pass to be complete and does not
have to hold onto the ball when he hits the ground. When he hit the ground, he was down by contact.

2015
A.R. 15.95
Does not become runner prior to going to ground
Third-and-10 on A20. Pass over the middle is ruled incomplete at the A30. The receiver controlled the pass with one foot down and was then contacted by a defender. As he went to the ground, he got his second foot down and then, still in control of the ball, he reached out for the line to gain, losing the ball when he landed.
Ruling: Reviewable. Incomplete pass. A’s ball first-and-10 on A20.
In this situation, the receiver had not clearly become a runner before going to the ground. In order to complete the catch, he must maintain control until after his
initial contact with the ground. The act of reaching out with the ball does not trump the requirement to maintain control of the ball when he lands.

Can't wait to here what nonsense you produce to explain that away.
 

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Ain't it nuts?? Even the folks making the rules can't decide what's a catch and what isn't any more . . .:muttley:
 

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Whoops. You're right on that one. Looked up Dez Bryant TD and Mike Pereira, but he was talking about the one in the Giants game.

About the Green Bay catch, he said: "I don’t agree he made a football move, certainly not in the context of the rule. He’s going to the ground, the ball pops out then."

As I've said, I don't think that interpretation meets the context of "indisputable evidence" for the replay rule. Anyway, it's time for me to bow out and go to sleep since I said a few posts back that I'm done with this argument.

I hope you have a good night.
He made at least 6 football moves it was a catch
 

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Garrett and Jerry weren’t as bad as people claim and they didn’t waste Romo’s career like has been claimed now that’ the NFL ruled Dez caught the ball.
 

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Quote from Mara in 2015:

"I think it was probably the right call technically, according to the language that was in the rule book, but I really think we need to look at that.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...g-dez-bryant-catch-reversal-article-1.2078178

Gee, look. Mara was saying it should have been a catch then but probably technically correct according to the language in the rules.

Lay off the emotion wafers, people.

This makes no damn sense. People have been trying to convince us for years that Mara was one of the main conspirators agianst the Cowboys. #fakenews
 

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People get so invested and dug into an argument or point of view that they will ask for specific things to counter their point, when they get what they ask for they move the goal posts and ignore the evidence in front of their faces rather than admit that they were wrong. Sometimes they will also argue a point in minutia of semantics that when you argue a general point and they understand the general point they continue to argue the very small point that boils down to a word or two to prove they are right vs wrong.

After someone asks for some info and you give it to them and they continue the arguing for no other reason than to argue...

After a while of doing this you just have to walk away and chalk it up to not being able to change their minds because they are not willing to change their minds no matter the evidence presented to them.

Walking away, not wasting anymore time on it.

And you are wise in using the ignore button.
I wish I could at times.


Guess you read the 150 page thread.
 
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