Twitter: Competition Committee says Dez caught it **merged**

[BlindFaith]

The highlight of some astronauts' lives was going to the moon, but the ones who were going to the moon on Apollo 13 never landed there. So the words can mean two different things when used in two different contexts.

There's no reason to think "goes to the ground" meant two different things within the context of the 2014 rule book.


Item 1: Player Going to the Ground.
If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout
the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before
he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

Item 2: Sideline Catches
If a player goes to the ground out-of-bounds (with or without contact by an opponent) in the process of making a catch at the sideline, he must maintain
complete and continuous control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, or the pass is incomplete.

Here is our newest rules expert explaining what going to the ground means.
https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/prof...ol-take-four-steps-its-still-not-a-catch/amp/

And since the rules weren't changed, but rather just clarified, this explanation would apply to Dez as well.

 

[BlindFaith]

4. He meant what he said.

He was telling people what the rules were in 2013.

So he is lying now then?

 

[BlindFaith]

What part do you not understand?

"In order to complete a catch, a receiver must clearly become a runner. He does that by gaining control of the ball, touching both feet down and then, after the second foot is down, having the ball long enough to clearly become a runner, which is defined as the ability to ward off or protect himself from impending contact. If, before becoming a runner, a receiver falls to the ground in an attempt to make a catch, he must maintain control of the ball after contacting the ground. If he loses control of the ball after contacting the ground and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. Reaching the ball out before becoming a runner will not trump the requirement to hold onto the ball when you land. When you are attempting to complete a catch, you must put the ball away or protect the ball so it does not come loose."

Me not understand? You don't even know the difference between going and landed.

What don't you understand about:
If, before becoming a runner, a receiver falls to the ground in an attempt to make a catch, he must maintain control of the ball after contacting the ground.

Becoming a runner is completing the catch process, right?

So - If, before completing the catch process, a receiver falls to the ground

Dez possessed the ball, got two feet down, lunged

That was his catch process

Did he fall to the ground during this process?

And this really goes back to you not understanding the difference between going and landing.

 

[BlindFaith]

The highlight of some astronauts' lives was going to the moon, but the ones who were going to the moon on Apollo 13 never landed there. So the words can mean two different things when used in two different contexts.

There's no reason to think "goes to the ground" meant two different things within the context of the 2014 rule book.


Item 1: Player Going to the Ground.
If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout
the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before
he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

Item 2: Sideline Catches
If a player goes to the ground out-of-bounds (with or without contact by an opponent) in the process of making a catch at the sideline, he must maintain
complete and continuous control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, or the pass is incomplete.

Another clearly articulated explanation of what going to the ground means.
https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-reception-1335451

They think it's simple enough.

Basically what that means is simple. If a player goes to the ground while in the process of making a catch, he must control the ball all the way through until his momentum from the fall ends. If at any point before his momentum stops he loses control of the ball and it touches the ground, the pass is incomplete.

Do you understand that meaning?

 

[BlindFaith]

So I see the reason why the NFL felt the need to clarify the rule in 2015 now. I never gave much thought about at the time because I understood the rule.

But then again, I never even considered that people didn't know the difference between going and landed.

And that is your argument, that in 2014, going to the ground meant the same thing as landed on the ground. And the NFL has clearly explained that to be false.

So let's stop arguing the rules. Because it has never even been about the rules. It's about understanding what they say.

 

[Gator88]

Here is our newest rules expert explaining what going to the ground means.
https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/prof...ol-take-four-steps-its-still-not-a-catch/amp/

And since the rules weren't changed, but rather just clarified, this explanation would apply to Dez as well.

Why do you think the rules weren't changed and just clarified? Because that is not the way I and a lot of others see it.

 

[blindzebra]

Why do you think the rules weren't changed and just clarified? Because that is not the way I and a lot of others see it.

Because it does not fit his agenda. There was nothing remotely equivalent to upright long enough prior to 2015. It was not called that way and it was not explained that way. The case plays he has hijacked, with his non-rule supported magic lunge, says exactly the opposite. Everything from the Dez play backwards says it was a catch. Everything since says it was incomplete, but yeah they never changed the rule...lol

 

[blindzebra]

So I see the reason why the NFL felt the need to clarify the rule in 2015 now. I never gave much thought about at the time because I understood the rule.

But then again, I never even considered that people didn't know the difference between going and landed.

And that is your argument, that in 2014, going to the ground meant the same thing as landed on the ground. And the NFL has clearly explained that to be false.

So let's stop arguing the rules. Because it has never even been about the rules. It's about understanding what they say.

I agree you should stop discussing what you have no clue about.

 

[blindzebra]

Another clearly articulated explanation of what going to the ground means.
https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-reception-1335451

They think it's simple enough.

Basically what that means is simple. If a player goes to the ground while in the process of making a catch, he must control the ball all the way through until his momentum from the fall ends. If at any point before his momentum stops he loses control of the ball and it touches the ground, the pass is incomplete.

Do you understand that meaning?

When you complete an act common to the game you are no longer in the process of the catch, so you land as a runner...Do you understand that?

 

[blindzebra]

Here is our newest rules expert explaining what going to the ground means.
https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/prof...ol-take-four-steps-its-still-not-a-catch/amp/

And since the rules weren't changed, but rather just clarified, this explanation would apply to Dez as well.

And totally contradict your favorite case plays.

 

[blindzebra]

And here is more explaining what he means. I posted this before. This is just from a few days ago. But the link is banned. It's sportsday.dallknews

Here's a snippet.

Blandino: The rule, the current rule until it gets changed, the football move doesn't supersede the fact that he has to hold onto the ball when he hits the ground. Now what they're discussing right now is saying that if you do perform a football move, even if you lose the ball when you hit the ground, if you perform that football move, it'll be a catch. That's the change they're discussing. The football move really didn't have anything to do with the rule at the time of the Dez play, the Calvin Johnson play, or any of the other plays. But if they change the rule and say OK, if you perform a football move, and you go to the ground and perform a football move, that's still going to be a catch. That would be the change that they're discussing right now.

Blandino: I'm thinking that this was going to be a controversial play because the way the rule is written, this is not a catch. But looking at it, a lot of people are going to look at it and say that should be a catch. Even me? If the rule was different, yes. But I knew it was going to be an issue. I knew it was controversial when it happened because that's the rule, and we had to apply it that way.

So,
1. He was just flat out lying in your smoking gun video
2. He didn't know the rules at the time
or
3. He meant exactly what I said he meant

So in all three answers he is incompetent and yet you put full faith in his ruling and judgement. The blind leading the blind.

 

[BlindFaith]

Why do you think the rules weren't changed and just clarified? Because that is not the way I and a lot of others see it.

A. They and many others simply said so. So are they lying? Cover up?
B. They mean the same thing if you understand the differences between going and landing.

"Upright long enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner" means that if they have not completed the catch process and then, at some point start going to the ground

Completing the catch process is becoming a runner.

Goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass means that if they have not completed the catch process and then, at some point start going to the ground

Goes or going to the ground does not mean landed on the ground.

The meaning of both the 2014 and 2015 are identical once you realize the difference between going and landing.

And really, all they did was add the upright part. The other part of the rule is unchanged at all.

So if going/goes means landed, then how could they leave that in and not change it too? If it meant landed, the the rule as written today contradicts itself.

Item 1. Player Going to the Ground. A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long
enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without
contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of
play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is
incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

 

[BlindFaith]

Why do you think the rules weren't changed and just clarified? Because that is not the way I and a lot of others see it.

And do you think going to the moon means the same thing as landed on the moon?

 

[MarcusRock]

It is a waste of time Percy.

I completely destroyed BlindFaith and Marcus yesterday, BF says he put me on ignore and Marcus disappeared like he always does when he has been owned. I am sure he will pop back in late today or tomorrow after enough time has passed so he can claim he corrected me and I did not answer his stupid questions.

I love how actually having a life on the weekend is considered "running" from a 3-year old debate, lol. As if I need to remain glued to a screen 7 days a week to be ready to respond at every second. Maybe fresh air would do you some good, lol.

Why would I run from a debate where you'd just:

1. Admitted that I corrected you in explaining the case plays.
2. Agreed that Item 1 trumps 8.1.3 via my illustration of Item 6 but somehow object to the word "trumps"
3. Not provided a quote from the Blandino video I challenged you to find
4. Used the lamest answer in all the debates saying the NFL "forgot" to take A.R. 8.12 out of the 2015 rulebook
4a. Asked me to explain YOUR created fantasy of A.R. 8.12 "conflicting" with Item 1's upright language
5. Again failed to provide additional support for the main fantasy that the rules changed in essence from 2014 to 2015
6. Stated "who cares?" when you got busted LYING about saying Pereira reversed himself on the Dez call he made on game day​

So why would I run with all this stuff from you as well as you embracing being a lying debater to boot? You're officially the best thing that could happen to those who agreed with the call back then because if anyone here is actually trying to understand instead of holding to bias, who would trust anything you say as correct with all this crap left in your wake? And this is just the past few days' version of crap.

 

[Kevinicus]

So you think they mean the same thing. Gotcha.

And the goes to the ground for both rules means the same thing. If a player goes out of bounds in the act of catching a pass.

Meaning if they go out of bounds prior to completing the catch process.

And here is Blandino explaining your "rule change" in 2015. Care to take a stab at what he means here?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-netwo...81578/Dean-Blandino-explains-new-rule-changes

You think anyone who goes out of bounds catching a pass goes to the ground?

 

[blindzebra]

I love how actually having a life on the weekend is considered "running" from a 3-year old debate, lol. As if I need to remain glued to a screen 7 days a week to be ready to respond at every second. Maybe fresh air would do you some good, lol.

Why would I run from a debate where you'd just:

1. Admitted that I corrected you in explaining the case plays.
2. Agreed that Item 1 trumps 8.1.3 via my illustration of Item 6 but somehow object to the word "trumps"
3. Not provided a quote from the Blandino video I challenged you to find
4. Used the lamest answer in all the debates saying the NFL "forgot" to take A.R. 8.12 out of the 2015 rulebook
4a. Asked me to explain YOUR created fantasy of A.R. 8.12 "conflicting" with Item 1's upright language
5. Again failed to provide additional support for the main fantasy that the rules changed in essence from 2014 to 2015
6. Stated "who cares?" when you got busted LYING about saying Pereira reversed himself on the Dez call he made on game day​

So why would I run with all this stuff from you as well as you embracing being a lying debater to boot? You're officially the best thing that could happen to those who agreed with the call back then because if anyone here is actually trying to understand instead of holding to bias, who would trust anything you say as correct with all this crap left in your wake? And this is just the past few days' version of crap.

Once again hide and then comeback and lie about all 6 points when enough thread has gone by you hope nobody notices. Not wasting time reposting everything that you just lied about.

Anyone reading, everything he claims he did is a lie. Everything he claims I agreed to is a lie. Proof of what was in that video has been posted twice, both links to the video as well as a transcript of exactly what Blandino said.

That video as well as the case plays absolutely proves the rule changed.

When asked why 8.12 was in the 2015 casebook, again I am needing to correct Marcus on the difference of a rule and a case play and a rule book and a casebook, I suggested an editing error. Which makes sense since 8.12 completely contradicts upright long enough. Like I said, more proof that the rule changed.

He is also lying about Pereira. I said he has pulled a 180 about the catch rule. Which he did.

This is where he will say I am deflecting by being upset about his lies.

 

[Gator88]

A. They and many others simply said so. So are they lying? Cover up?
B. They mean the same thing if you understand the differences between going and landing.

"Upright long enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner" means that if they have not completed the catch process and then, at some point start going to the ground

Completing the catch process is becoming a runner.

Goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass means that if they have not completed the catch process and then, at some point start going to the ground

Goes or going to the ground does not mean landed on the ground.

The meaning of both the 2014 and 2015 are identical once you realize the difference between going and landing.

And really, all they did was add the upright part. The other part of the rule is unchanged at all.

So if going/goes means landed, then how could they leave that in and not change it too? If it meant landed, the the rule as written today contradicts itself.

Item 1. Player Going to the Ground. A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long
enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without
contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of
play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is
incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

This is a lot of words to say because I agree with it. Going to the ground in the instance of the NFL rulebook pre Dez catch meant hitting the ground, otherwise why use the exact same language for hitting the ground out of bounds?

As for the bolded, yeah that's why they are changing it. After they changed the rule to try to defend their overturn on the Dez Bryant play, they made the rule a lot worse than it used to be.

 

[BlindFaith]

This is a lot of words to say because I agree with it. Going to the ground in the instance of the NFL rulebook pre Dez catch meant hitting the ground, otherwise why use the exact same language for hitting the ground out of bounds?

As for the bolded, yeah that's why they are changing it. After they changed the rule to try to defend their overturn on the Dez Bryant play, they made the rule a lot worse than it used to be.

lol. OK. So you you think going to the moon means landing on the moon and it was a conspiracy to cover it up. Yep. That's obviously the simplest answer.

 

[MarcusRock]

He is also lying about Pereira. I said he has pulled a 180 about the catch rule. Which he did.

Everyone knows that about Pereira, but what about this lie you added?

Pereira never once said that they blew the call. He's actually said the opposite many times.

He said they broke the rules and that what Dez did was a catch

LINK

Wanna get away?

A liar does what a liar does. Gets busted and then just doubles down. Say it again, "who cares?" so you can own your filth. You are just a projection machine accusing others of all the things you already do as a cover.

 

[blindzebra]

Everyone knows that about Pereira, but what about this lie you added?




LINK

Wanna get away?

A liar does what a liar does. Gets busted and then just doubles down. Say it again, "who cares?" so you can own your filth. You are just a projection machine accusing others of all the things you already do as a cover.

You calling me a liar is funny. That is what Pereira said. He said they took the rule too far and that Dez and James did should be a catch.