Twitter: Competition Committee says Dez caught it **merged**

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  1. BlindFaith

    BlindFaith Well-Known Member

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    Here is our newest rules expert explaining what going to the ground means.
    https://www.google.com/amp/profootb...ol-take-four-steps-its-still-not-a-catch/amp/

    And since the rules weren't changed, but rather just clarified, this explanation would apply to Dez as well.
     
  2. BlindFaith

    BlindFaith Well-Known Member

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    So he is lying now then?
     
  3. BlindFaith

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    Me not understand? You don't even know the difference between going and landed.

    What don't you understand about:
    If, before becoming a runner, a receiver falls to the ground in an attempt to make a catch, he must maintain control of the ball after contacting the ground.

    Becoming a runner is completing the catch process, right?

    So - If, before completing the catch process, a receiver falls to the ground

    Dez possessed the ball, got two feet down, lunged

    That was his catch process

    Did he fall to the ground during this process?

    And this really goes back to you not understanding the difference between going and landing.
     
  4. BlindFaith

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    Another clearly articulated explanation of what going to the ground means.
    https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-reception-1335451

    They think it's simple enough.

    Basically what that means is simple. If a player goes to the ground while in the process of making a catch, he must control the ball all the way through until his momentum from the fall ends. If at any point before his momentum stops he loses control of the ball and it touches the ground, the pass is incomplete.

    Do you understand that meaning?
     
  5. BlindFaith

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    So I see the reason why the NFL felt the need to clarify the rule in 2015 now. I never gave much thought about at the time because I understood the rule.

    But then again, I never even considered that people didn't know the difference between going and landed.

    And that is your argument, that in 2014, going to the ground meant the same thing as landed on the ground. And the NFL has clearly explained that to be false.

    So let's stop arguing the rules. Because it has never even been about the rules. It's about understanding what they say.
     
  6. Gator88

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    Why do you think the rules weren't changed and just clarified? Because that is not the way I and a lot of others see it.
     
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  7. blindzebra

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    Because it does not fit his agenda. There was nothing remotely equivalent to upright long enough prior to 2015. It was not called that way and it was not explained that way. The case plays he has hijacked, with his non-rule supported magic lunge, says exactly the opposite. Everything from the Dez play backwards says it was a catch. Everything since says it was incomplete, but yeah they never changed the rule...lol
     
  8. blindzebra

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    I agree you should stop discussing what you have no clue about.
     
  9. blindzebra

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    When you complete an act common to the game you are no longer in the process of the catch, so you land as a runner...Do you understand that?
     
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  10. blindzebra

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  11. blindzebra

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    So in all three answers he is incompetent and yet you put full faith in his ruling and judgement. The blind leading the blind.
     
  12. BlindFaith

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    A. They and many others simply said so. So are they lying? Cover up?
    B. They mean the same thing if you understand the differences between going and landing.

    "Upright long enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner" means that if they have not completed the catch process and then, at some point start going to the ground

    Completing the catch process is becoming a runner.

    Goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass means that if they have not completed the catch process and then, at some point start going to the ground

    Goes or going to the ground does not mean landed on the ground.

    The meaning of both the 2014 and 2015 are identical once you realize the difference between going and landing.

    And really, all they did was add the upright part. The other part of the rule is unchanged at all.

    So if going/goes means landed, then how could they leave that in and not change it too? If it meant landed, the the rule as written today contradicts itself.

    Item 1. Player Going to the Ground. A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long
    enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without
    contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of
    play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is
    incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.
     
  13. BlindFaith

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    And do you think going to the moon means the same thing as landed on the moon?
     
  14. MarcusRock

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    I love how actually having a life on the weekend is considered "running" from a 3-year old debate, lol. As if I need to remain glued to a screen 7 days a week to be ready to respond at every second. Maybe fresh air would do you some good, lol.

    Why would I run from a debate where you'd just:
    1. Admitted that I corrected you in explaining the case plays.
    2. Agreed that Item 1 trumps 8.1.3 via my illustration of Item 6 but somehow object to the word "trumps"
    3. Not provided a quote from the Blandino video I challenged you to find
    4. Used the lamest answer in all the debates saying the NFL "forgot" to take A.R. 8.12 out of the 2015 rulebook
    4a. Asked me to explain YOUR created fantasy of A.R. 8.12 "conflicting" with Item 1's upright language
    5. Again failed to provide additional support for the main fantasy that the rules changed in essence from 2014 to 2015
    6. Stated "who cares?" when you got busted LYING about saying Pereira reversed himself on the Dez call he made on game day​

    So why would I run with all this stuff from you as well as you embracing being a lying debater to boot? You're officially the best thing that could happen to those who agreed with the call back then because if anyone here is actually trying to understand instead of holding to bias, who would trust anything you say as correct with all this crap left in your wake? And this is just the past few days' version of crap.
     
  15. Kevinicus

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    You think anyone who goes out of bounds catching a pass goes to the ground?
     
  16. blindzebra

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    Once again hide and then comeback and lie about all 6 points when enough thread has gone by you hope nobody notices. Not wasting time reposting everything that you just lied about.

    Anyone reading, everything he claims he did is a lie. Everything he claims I agreed to is a lie. Proof of what was in that video has been posted twice, both links to the video as well as a transcript of exactly what Blandino said.

    That video as well as the case plays absolutely proves the rule changed.

    When asked why 8.12 was in the 2015 casebook, again I am needing to correct Marcus on the difference of a rule and a case play and a rule book and a casebook, I suggested an editing error. Which makes sense since 8.12 completely contradicts upright long enough. Like I said, more proof that the rule changed.

    He is also lying about Pereira. I said he has pulled a 180 about the catch rule. Which he did.

    This is where he will say I am deflecting by being upset about his lies.
     
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  17. Gator88

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    This is a lot of words to say because I agree with it. Going to the ground in the instance of the NFL rulebook pre Dez catch meant hitting the ground, otherwise why use the exact same language for hitting the ground out of bounds?

    As for the bolded, yeah that's why they are changing it. After they changed the rule to try to defend their overturn on the Dez Bryant play, they made the rule a lot worse than it used to be.
     
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  18. BlindFaith

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    lol. OK. So you you think going to the moon means landing on the moon and it was a conspiracy to cover it up. Yep. That's obviously the simplest answer.
     
  19. MarcusRock

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    Everyone knows that about Pereira, but what about this lie you added?

    LINK

    Wanna get away?

    A liar does what a liar does. Gets busted and then just doubles down. Say it again, "who cares?" so you can own your filth. You are just a projection machine accusing others of all the things you already do as a cover.
     
  20. blindzebra

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    You calling me a liar is funny. That is what Pereira said. He said they took the rule too far and that Dez and James did should be a catch.
     

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