Confidence dip since 53 announcement?

JakeCamp12

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,302
Reaction score
275
I would say my first concern is that if we start Doug Free at guard the season after he had his worst season as our starting tackle. I like Doug and think he is truly a team guy. But you give your starting quarterback a huge extension then ask your tackle to play a position he has never played in his career, I start to wonder if there is any plan at all. Seems that the OL and DL are like after thoughts this year. This just seems to have the potential for real disaster should each area have one injury.
 

Idgit

Fattening up
Staff member
Messages
58,971
Reaction score
60,826
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
OP is right, though, that there was a weird reaction to the cut-downs. I *think* it's the fact that we let a couple of well-liked players go (Sterling Moore, Brandon McGee, maybe). And then we went long at an unpopular position in order to work a trade. Mostly, people somehow convinced themselves we were going to add DL depth for some reason, and then we didn't. And of course, there's the ever-present expectation that we'll find a starting-quality OG on the scrapheap somewhere and have added him to the roster last-minute. Adding unknowns like Edgar Jones and Kyle Bosworth at positions of no perceived need doesn't help matters.

Overall, though, it's 3-4 spots on the total roster, and we made the moves with good reasons and netted a couple picks in the process. Nothing to be depressed about. I'll admit, I'm interested to see what OL move we might make going into week 1 that's an improvement over some of the young guys we already passed on. It's not somebody we were swinging a small trade for, probably. And we've already missed the window for claiming anybody. That means it's either a street FA, one of our older players, or, maybe, a bold move--like bringing someone out of retirement? Maybe it's nothing and we'll just add an OL we liked that's on the street, but you'd think that if we really wanted that position addressed--and we were juggling in the last preseason game to cover that weakness--we'd have had a plan in place immediately for cutdowns like we did for STs.
 

kirkjrk

Active Member
Messages
905
Reaction score
38
Yea going into Thursday Nights game I was fairly optimistic and anticipating good things for the following 4/5 days. I felt all along that our major major problem would be the secondary. Lots of pass completions up the seam and also lots of yards after catch. I've never felt that Mo would be anything but average at best and Carr,Scandrick was not worth the money they are being paid. The safeties we get are usually headbangers but are usually not in the same zip code when a pass is completed, poor coverage.

Well Thursday nights game left me wanting more. I know it was 2nd and 3rd teamers but it showed me how bad our depth would be. For me there was not one good thing that came out of that game. Friday was not anything unexpected in the cuts, except for me, when I found Sterling Moore's name on the list and Pellerin also. What only 4 CB's, they better have a good plan. Taking a position already with problems and making it worse--WOW!!

Saturday, Sunday and Monday(so far) has not been anything earth shattering. I feel less optimistic today then I did last Wednesday but hope there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Go Cowboys--No more 8-8 records
 

Pokes12

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,288
Reaction score
1,048
Question: Has the fanbase's confidence for the 2013 season dropped?

It sure seems like the board's confidence has dipped tremendously since the release of the final roster and the tweaks since (offensive line, churning of bottom of roster). News of Ratliff out, Spencer questionable and Mo dinged up has really taken the momentum of the off season.

I know the team lacks an identity at present- lots of uncertainty... but I feel like one is right around the corner and I think the Giants are walking into a hornets nest on Sunday night. I think the entire NFL will be on notice that this isn't the same bumbling Cowboys who make things interesting but never get the job done.

Notable differences:

I really liked the look of redzone defense in the preseason. Very stout looking and physical in close quarters.

I loved the tempo of 1st team offense, and I think Romo's control of the game from LOS will pay huge dividends this season by hiding minimizing the OL's deficiencies.

Dez Bryant/Miles Austin- when you are clearly throwing to one person on one entire drive despite coverage and completing passes for TD's- that says alot. They did that basically twice vs the Bengals 1st unit D. I know- they're not gameplanning to stop either: but that is still impressive.

Dunbar is a legit threat as a receiver and runner on 3rd Downs.

The D is much healthier and makedly more talented than what we were competitive with down the stretch last season!

We were a drive away from the division title last season with a defense that was loaded with street free agents- we have to be better there almost by definition.



Keep your chins up, and be excited- football is back and we're going to make some noise this season- I really believe that.

Question: Has the fanbase's confidence for the 2013 season dropped?

It sure seems like the board's confidence has dipped tremendously since the release of the final roster and the tweaks since (offensive line, churning of bottom of roster). News of Ratliff out, Spencer questionable and Mo dinged up has really taken the momentum of the off season.

I know the team lacks an identity at present- lots of uncertainty... but I feel like one is right around the corner and I think the Giants are walking into a hornets nest on Sunday night. I think the entire NFL will be on notice that this isn't the same bumbling Cowboys who make things interesting but never get the job done.

Notable differences:

I really liked the look of redzone defense in the preseason. Very stout looking and physical in close quarters.

I loved the tempo of 1st team offense, and I think Romo's control of the game from LOS will pay huge dividends this season by hiding minimizing the OL's deficiencies.

Dez Bryant/Miles Austin- when you are clearly throwing to one person on one entire drive despite coverage and completing passes for TD's- that says alot. They did that basically twice vs the Bengals 1st unit D. I know- they're not gameplanning to stop either: but that is still impressive.

Dunbar is a legit threat as a receiver and runner on 3rd Downs.

The D is much healthier and makedly more talented than what we were competitive with down the stretch last season!

We were a drive away from the division title last season with a defense that was loaded with street free agents- we have to be better there almost by definition.



Keep your chins up, and be excited- football is back and we're going to make some noise this season- I really believe that.

Yes, indeed, it feels like my psyche took a hit after we announced the 53. We just don't look a lot better than last year, especially on the lines. In fact, our d line looks worse.

UGGHHHH!
 
Messages
6,246
Reaction score
9,276
My confidence dipped in April. When you pass on the 5th overall player on your board at DL, and then do not spend one draft pick on a DL, knowing that Rat has a lingering groin problem, the front office has set us up for a very long year of problems stopping the run and getting interior pressure. Without talent and depth upfront, the 4-3 cannot succeed.
 

CowboyStar88

Well-Known Member
Messages
23,166
Reaction score
25,555
My confidence dipped in April. When you pass on the 5th overall player on your board at DL, and then do not spend one draft pick on a DL, knowing that Rat has a lingering groin problem, the front office has set us up for a very long year of problems stopping the run and getting interior pressure. Without talent and depth upfront, the 4-3 cannot succeed.

Let the Floyd thing go. Seriously ROD/kiffin did not want him no matter how high the scouts rated him. If the coaches don't want the player why draft him? If your confidence slipped in April over one guy I suggest you root for another team. Because there will be 31 other failed teams in the league this year.
 

Zordon

Well-Known Member
Messages
22,291
Reaction score
46,635
The confidence levels have torpedoed on this board since a month ago.
 
Messages
6,246
Reaction score
9,276
Let the Floyd thing go. Seriously ROD/kiffin did not want him no matter how high the scouts rated him. If the coaches don't want the player why draft him? If your confidence slipped in April over one guy I suggest you root for another team. Because there will be 31 other failed teams in the league this year.

Did you read my whole post? "When you pass on the 5th overall player on your board at DL, and then do not spend one draft pick on a DL..." It wasn't just passing on Floyd, it was selecting a TE in Round 2 over a DL -- and not drafting a DL in any other round.
 

CowboyStar88

Well-Known Member
Messages
23,166
Reaction score
25,555
Did you read my whole post? "When you pass on the 5th overall player on your board at DL, and then do not spend one draft pick on a DL..." It wasn't just passing on Floyd, it was selecting a TE in Round 2 over a DL -- and not drafting a DL in any other round.

It's been a dead issue people have even brought up the picks selected when we selected in the 2nd rd and who was there. So the team felt comfortable about the DL big deal. This is what they do every day. If they didn't feel comfortable they would've taken someone or signed someone. Besides who in FA would've been a decent deal? I did read your post but when you start off with oh I'm disappointed they didn't take the 5th rated guy without actually mentioning they didn't want him it makes the disappointment look silly.
 
Messages
6,246
Reaction score
9,276
It's been a dead issue people have even brought up the picks selected when we selected in the 2nd rd and who was there. So the team felt comfortable about the DL big deal. This is what they do every day. If they didn't feel comfortable they would've taken someone or signed someone. Besides who in FA would've been a decent deal? I did read your post but when you start off with oh I'm disappointed they didn't take the 5th rated guy without actually mentioning they didn't want him it makes the disappointment look silly.

You are entitled to your opinion, but it is far from a dead issue, especially since Rat was put on PUP. The topic is "has your confidence dipped since the final roster was announced." And the simple fact is, this team has done absolutely nothing during or since the draft to address the defensive line other than picking up street free agents. This, after making a switch to a 4-3 where defensive line depth is key to success. So, you can bury your head in the sand, and have blind faith that the "team felt comfortable" with the DL, but I think you will be the one looking silly soon enough when teams run all over our front 4.
 

CT Dal Fan

Well-Known Member
Messages
12,213
Reaction score
21,493
I'm more confident, actually. I know this has been repeated over and over, but can the o-line possibly be any worse than last year? Will the Cowboys deal with another injury epidemic like in 2012? Will they really start 3-5 again? Will the defense only force 16 turnovers again? Will Dallas rank 31st in rushing offense again? Because this is what they dealt with a year ago and they still fell just one game shy of the playoffs. At the risk of sounding like I've been drinking the Jerry Jones kool aid; this team very well could be close.
 

Fredd

Well-Known Member
Messages
4,995
Reaction score
2,238
I dunno, I am pretty optimistic at the moment...our biggest perceived weakness from camp was ST and they addressed it by keeping two safeties who will be ST guys (one of whom took a pay cut to stay in his familiar position); and we then added two guys since Saturday that will help the ST units...I expect Armstrong back after week #1 as well as a gunner on ST...

the bottom line is that the starting D is looking pretty good right now and the starting O also looked good; they haven't employed the passing portion of the 12 package so that gets me excited....good things are coming this year

JUST STAY HEALTHY!!!!
 

Risen Star

Likes Collector
Messages
89,416
Reaction score
212,327
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
Not me. I think health is key. If they can avoid a rash of injuries they should be in the mix for a playoff berth.
 

9darter

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,970
Reaction score
1,571
I'm still cautiously optimistic....very cautiously.
I still have issues with both lines and feel that puts a cap on our potential unless they really make strides with the same personnel .

There are plenty of positives in other areas though, so we'll see.

I agree with this. With better lines, I seriously think they could win 12 or 13 games this year. But I see them winning 9 or 10 if they can stay healthy.
 

davey999

Well-Known Member
Messages
4,459
Reaction score
4,042
Problem remains both lines.

Virtually ignored besides Frederick.
 

CowboyStar88

Well-Known Member
Messages
23,166
Reaction score
25,555
You are entitled to your opinion, but it is far from a dead issue, especially since Rat was put on PUP. The topic is "has your confidence dipped since the final roster was announced." And the simple fact is, this team has done absolutely nothing during or since the draft to address the defensive line other than picking up street free agents. This, after making a switch to a 4-3 where defensive line depth is key to success. So, you can bury your head in the sand, and have blind faith that the "team felt comfortable" with the DL, but I think you will be the one looking silly soon enough when teams run all over our front 4.

Silly? No not at all. But thanks for assuming.
 

bark

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,039
Reaction score
7,404
I think we will be fine on offense. Lots of weapons and the line looks slightly better.
Our ability to hold up against the run is a concern for me. I look for the giants to come out running early and often with Wilson.
Cautiously optimistic.. Hoping for a quick start out of the gates.
 

Prossman

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,142
Reaction score
278
With our ps additions we kept just about everyone I wanted.
 

Rogerthat12

DWAREZ
Messages
14,604
Reaction score
9,988
I think the health of key players will dictate how far the team goes yet again.

The defensive simplicity and emphasis on rushing the passer combined with a special focus on creating turnovers will definitely assist this team.

Further, having a relatively speaking (Spencer, Mo) healthy defensive side of the ball will help.

My concern rests with the DL, specifically the lack of depth at DT and DE, in terms of quality production and rotation.

The offensive line once again is a huge question mark, clearly Livings and Bern were not part of the "secret sauce" of OL success once envisioned!

If we suffer any further key injuries on the OL, the lack of quality depth may make for a troubling year.

Last, if the ST unit does not improve with the additions of Bosworth and Jones, this will get ugly in a hurry!

If the OL can at least be adequate then the Romo to Dez/Witten/Austin connections could make for some explosive offensive prowess.
 
Top