Confirmed Suicide in Jacobs Case, Murder Likely on 2nd Victim

[Silver Surfer]

While I don't know exactly where his wounds were located, from the descriptions one appears to have been in the stomach.

I find it odd that an ex-marine would gut-shoot himself.

I would expect he would be aware of its ability to inflict pain while not ensuring lethality... unless he wanted himself to suffer for some reason.

 

[AsthmaField]

Barely even made the news, and was gone by the next day. Sure as hell seemed suspicious to me, but what do I know, I'm just a citizen.

Don't sell yourself short, Count... you're very smart. Don't be so down on yourself.

 

[PosterChild]

Well firstly, I think he shot himself in the gut to ensure massive blood loss. This would have almost certainly killed him alone, but as previously mentioned would have been excruciatingly painful. So he then pops one off in his head to end his pain, existence. People do survive-on rare occasions-- single gunshots wounds to the head with all manner of brain damage. He probably knew this and wanted to ensure his death, not his vegetable status.

I enjoy a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone and follow the logic of some of these posts in regard to possible homicide motives. And while it's not impossible things played out as proposed by some here, I'm more inclined to accept the finding of suicide than a hit. The dude's life was ruined-- already finished as far as he could comprehend. He was compelled to off himself.

 

[burmafrd]

If he was a marine, then he knew enough about firearms to do it right. That makes me even more suspicious. If you know guns then you know how to kill yourself. Gut shot is very very stupid.

Just a word of advice for anyone that wants to off themselves with a handgun: fill your mouth with water and insert the barrel and pull the trigger=your head will just about explode and there is no way you survive.

 

[Rampage]

i'm suprised this story isn't getting more media attention since he was gonna name names

 

[Rampage]

If he was a marine, then he knew enough about firearms to do it right. That makes me even more suspicious. If you know guns then you know how to kill yourself. Gut shot is very very stupid.

Just a word of advice for anyone that wants to off themselves with a handgun: fill your mouth with water and insert the barrel and pull the trigger=your head will just about explode and there is no way you survive.[/quote]
whay affect does the water play into the exploding head?

 

[PosterChild]

If he was a marine, then he knew enough about firearms to do it right. That makes me even more suspicious. If you know guns then you know how to kill yourself. Gut shot is very very stupid.

Just a word of advice for anyone that wants to off themselves with a handgun: fill your mouth with water and insert the barrel and pull the trigger=your head will just about explode and there is no way you survive.

That's the kind of helpful hint you just can't find anywhere else.

Ask Burm: A weekly advice column coming soon! (next week Burm tackles songbird extermination)

:laugh2:

 

[justbob]

1) Multiple gunshots in a suicide is very rare and often an issue of simple poor aim. I have NEVER heard of a self-inflicted gut shot that turned into a head shot. We are literally talking about the rarest of rarities.

2) Scenes are easy enough to stage. I am married to a police officer. An 8th grade educated criminal may fail to fool an investigator but cops with 100s of investigations often can. Its not like an investigator suspecting possible police foul play would even offer up the scenario without serious an hardcore proof.

3) It all comes down to motivation and who wants it more. An investigator is doing his/her job not risking their lives and calling out possible police foul play would be stupid and dangerous.

BTW, you did hear about the bad investigations out of the panhandle right? About 10 years worth of falsified and fake autopsy reports by one medical examiner.

I am really don't sure which side you are on. I am simply saying that is far more likely to be what the police are saying.
1..Yes I know of the bad autopsy cases in the panhandle --I was involved in more then one of them. Several of the cases, including one where a 70 year old man
who was stomped to death, I did the reconstruction on. There was a reason why the pathologist was able to pull as much as he did and why he got caught( amd he was not an ME )

2.Glad your spouse is an officer --we need more good people out in the field .Does your spouse have a speciality---I might know them_ I have trained several thousands of officers from Tx to the east coast over the past few years.

3. Sorry you have not hear of multiple shots- one in the body or elsewhere and then a head shot --rare yes --but not as much as you would think--not any rarer then the people who put a rifle in their mouth and blow the front
of there face off because the angle was wrong -or the person who puts a 410
shotgun to the side of his head and lives (not a very good life) but lives

4. Lastly faking a crime scene is very hard if the officers who work the scene are any good ---Just setting up a mock scene for training is very difficult --beause you can't get everything right. I have trained some of the agencies who worked this scene and I know their ability

I am not just pulling things out of the air --I have trained law enforcement in40 states, France , Canada and Finland --that includes the US airforce,FBI and the Texas Rangers. I actively consult on 10-20 Capital murder case ayear all over the US..Sometimes I speak out like on the Sean T case because all
the guessing drives me crazier then a Trade Roy thread.. Sorry If I ruffle your feathers..I am a novice when it comes to indepth knowledge of football --But not crime scenes

 

[justbob]

If he was a marine, then he knew enough about firearms to do it right. That makes me even more suspicious. If you know guns then you know how to kill yourself. Gut shot is very very stupid.

Just a word of advice for anyone that wants to off themselves with a handgun: fill your mouth with water and insert the barrel and pull the trigger=your head will just about explode and there is no way you survive.[/quote]
whay affect does the water play into the exploding head?

Putting water in your mouth or shooting your self in the mouth ( lips closed )
does not assure any more damage then a shot under the chin---the exploding head is usually more an indicater of the weapon size and how hot the round was ---Killing your self is very very stupid --so you can't bring intelligence
into it..