Considering the trend...

[Vintage]

Burnett is still intriguing, but I continue to hold onto the idea that he is a ILB in this scheme, not an Outside. He would be a fine OLB in the 4-3, but he is not a pure blitzer or pass rusher - he is a leader who needs to be calling some things.

Move james to WILB and Burnett to SILB, find me a good, big, run stopping SOLB who can cover a TE and our LBers will be much improved, IMO.

There was talk of Burnett moving inside.

But what do we do with Ayodele?

 

[Hostile]

How many teams have busted on their second rounders since 2000 until now?

Pick one and we'll discuss their 2nd rounder since 2000. I bet each team has at least one miss.

 

[Vintage]

Pick one and we'll discuss their 2nd rounder since 2000. I bet each team has at least one miss.

There's a difference between missing one, and missing on Dixon, Carter, Bryant, Gurode, Johnson, Rogers....


Burnett is too early to call.

We've missed on our second rounders since 2000.

That's a difference between missing ONE since 2000 and missing on ALL.

You know that.

 

[Hostile]

There's a difference between missing one, and missing on Dixon, Carter, Bryant, Gurode, Johnson, Rogers....


Burnett is too early to call.

We've missed on our second rounders since 2000.

That's a difference between missing ONE since 2000 and missing on ALL.

You know that.

We haven't missed on all though.

2001...Campo as HC and Jerry in charge of Drafts.

Quincy Cater...miss.
Tony Dixon...miss.



2002...Campo as HC and Jerry in charge of Drafts.

Andre Gurode...Parcells and Jerry offered him a new contract.



2003...Parcells as HC and buying the groceries.

Al Johnson...3 year starter.



2004...Parcells as HC and buying the groceries.

Julius Jones...2 year starter and generally considered a weapon.
Jacob Rogers...miss.


3 hits and 3 misses.

So, all I'm looking for is proof from you that all of the other teams hit on every 2nd rounder or at least blow this 50% away.

 

[Vintage]

For ****s and giggle, let's look at our NFC East counterparts.

Commanders:
2000- No pick
2001- Fred Smoot- No longer with team, solid CB
2003- Ladell Betts- Solid backup RB


Eagles:
2000- Todd Pinkston- Solid WR who is still with the team
2000- Bobbie Williams- Not on roster
2001- Quinton Caver- Bad pick
2003- Michael Lewis- Pro Bowl caliber
2003- Sheldon Brown- Pro Bowl caliber, best CB on roster
2005- Reggie Brown- Starter for next year....solid pick
2005- Matt McCoy- Too early to tell.

Giants-
2000- Cornellius Griffin- Let him get away to Washington, a good DT.
2003- Tim Carter- Good Special Teams Player
2004- Chris Snee- starter
2005- Corey Webster- solid, too early to tell what he ends up as



Cowboys
2000- Dwayne Goodrich- Never was anything
2001- Quincy Carter- Nothing needs to be said here.
2002- Tony Dixon- Bleh.....
2003- Andre Gurode- Backup at best
2003- Antonio Bryant- Traded
2004- Julius Jones- Starter
2004- Jacob Rogers- Bust
2005- Kevin Burnett- too early to tell

 

[StanleySpadowski]

There's a difference between missing one, and missing on Dixon, Carter, Bryant, Gurode, Johnson, Rogers....


Burnett is too early to call.

We've missed on our second rounders since 2000.

That's a difference between missing ONE since 2000 and missing on ALL.

You know that.

Either Johnson or Gurode will start for Dallas this year so it's reaching to say that they've "missed" on both.

Look at teams in the NFCE. Washington currrently has two players on their roster that they've picked in the second round (Betts and Jacobs) and both are buried on their depth chart.

Philly hit with Lewis and Brown in '02 but that's about it unless you consider the likes of Todd Pinkston a home run.

The Giants have done a decent job in the second round getting Usi, Snee amongst others but have also missed badly.

 

[Vintage]

Of our NFC East counterparts, the Eagles did the best IMO.

Lewis and Brown are Pro Bowlers.

Pinkston and Brown are starters at WR.

McCoy is too early to tell.

Commanders didnt have much picks....But Smoot was good (sans against us) for them. Ladell Betts is a good backup for them. Though, with a second rounder, I think a backup isn't what you are striving for.

Giants grabbed Griffin, who was a starter, but they didn't want to pay him. Carter is an excellent ST player with the ability to stetch defenses. Webster could potentially be a starter; Snee is.

For us: Gurode is a backup. Burnett was injured (though, to early to tell). Johnson has been mediocre at best. We traded Bryant for a WR we let go. Dixon, Carter were either cut or not brought back (on our choice). Rogers had injury problems.

 

[burmafrd]

A second rd pick is a bust if he is not either a starter or sharing a position. Special teams do not count.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

For ****s and giggle, let's look at our NFC East counterparts.

Commanders:
2000- No pick
2001- Fred Smoot- No longer with team, solid CB
2003- Ladell Betts- Solid backup RB


Eagles:
2000- Todd Pinkston- Solid WR who is still with the team
2000- Bobbie Williams- Not on roster
2001- Quinton Caver- Bad pick
2003- Michael Lewis- Pro Bowl caliber
2003- Sheldon Brown- Pro Bowl caliber, best CB on roster
2005- Reggie Brown- Starter for next year....solid pick
2005- Matt McCoy- Too early to tell.

Giants-
2000- Cornellius Griffin- Let him get away to Washington, a good DT.
2003- Tim Carter- Good Special Teams Player
2004- Chris Snee- starter
2005- Corey Webster- solid, too early to tell what he ends up as



Cowboys
2000- Dwayne Goodrich- Never was anything
2001- Quincy Carter- Nothing needs to be said here.
2002- Tony Dixon- Bleh.....
2003- Andre Gurode- Backup at best
2003- Antonio Bryant- Traded
2004- Julius Jones- Starter
2004- Jacob Rogers- Bust
2005- Kevin Burnett- too early to tell

I don't know where you got this list but it's as inaccurate as heck.


And the comments almost juvenile. Tim Carter not a major disappointment??

 

[Vintage]

Either Johnson or Gurode will start for Dallas this year so it's reaching to say that they've "missed" on both.

Look at teams in the NFCE. Washington currrently has two players on their roster that they've picked in the second round (Betts and Jacobs) and both are buried on their depth chart.

Philly hit with Lewis and Brown in '02 but that's about it unless you consider the likes of Todd Pinkston a home run.

The Giants have done a decent job in the second round getting Usi, Snee amongst others but have also missed badly.

Difference being, Johnson and Gurode are neither quality starters IMO. Betts is a backup bec. they have Portis....

Pinkston for the Eagles is solid, as is Reggie Brown. Neither are great yet (I think Reggie has the potential to at least be a #2....Pinkston is better suited for a #2, # 3....Brown and Lewis are Pro Bowlers)

 

[Vintage]

I don't know where you got this list but it's as inaccurate as heck.


And the comments almost juvenile. Tim Carter not a major disappointment??

I don't think Carter is a great WR, mind you. I never said that. But he is good on ST. And he does have the ability to stretch defenses with his speed. I think he is a better pickup than Gurode, who does nothing but keep making mental mistakes as a starter.

 

[Vintage]

I don't know where you got this list but it's as inaccurate as heck.


And the comments almost juvenile. Tim Carter not a major disappointment??

Inaccurate? How. I took it from nfl.com. I don't think my vision is that blurry yet.

And of course my comments are juvenile now. If you want my comments to be more in depth, you are going to have to wait for tommorrow/ or whenever I sober up.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Virtually all of our 2nd rounders with the exception of Dixon and Carter, were legit 2nd rounders. None of them were considered "reaches".

I think a certain amount of bad luck entered into it.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Inaccurate? How. I took it from nfl.com. I don't think my vision is that blurry yet.

And of course my comments are juvenile now. If you want my comments to be more in depth, you are going to have to wait for tommorrow/ or whenever I sober up.

You need to sober up then. You have the year wrong on some and completely omitted several.

 

[Vintage]

You need to sober up then. You have the year wrong on some and completely omitted several.

Admittedly, typing drunk is hard. You wouldn't believe how long it takes....

That being said, I am pretty sure of the years being correct. NFL.com is where I got them from...

Not saying I didn't have typos....but I am pretty sure of them.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Admittedly, typing drunk is hard. You wouldn't believe how long it takes....

That being said, I am pretty sure of the years being correct. NFL.com is where I got them from...

Not saying I didn't have typos....but I am pretty sure of them.

Sheldon and Brown came from the '02 draft not '03. You omitted Taylor Jacobs for the skins, LJ Smith for the Eagles and Usi U for the Giants.

 

[Vintage]

Sheldon and Brown came from the '02 draft not '03. You omitted Taylor Jacobs for the skins, LJ Smith for the Eagles and Usi U for the Giants.

LOL, I see what happened....

I forgot the 2003 draft entirely.

I must have typed 2002 twice.....not too surprising....

Usi turned out well for the Giants.....Taylor, not so well...LJ Smith was solid.


Time to get some more beer.

 

[Crown Royal]

There was talk of Burnett moving inside.

But what do we do with Ayodele?

I'd rather have Burnett on the field than Ayodele. I'm not a huge fan of our FA LBer pickups.

 

[dbair1967]

I have yet to hear of Rogers being regarded as a borderline 1st rounder.

hmm, me thinks you need to go back and actually read the draft guides and scouting reports then...nobody thought he was going top-10 or 15 or anything, but almost all of them said late 1st/early 2nd rd

David

 

[Vintage]

I'd rather have Burnett on the field than Ayodele. I'm not a huge fan of our FA LBer pickups.

Ayodele has proven more than Burnett, by far.