Controversial Call in Detroit hung around longer

[Yakuza Rich]

I just get tired of:

1. The NFL stopping at nothing to claim that it was not a catch even though the rules clearly state that it was when you look at the rule towards 'an act common to the game.'

2. People honestly believing that this was 'the same thing' that happened to Detroit.


A. Detroit was up by 3, Dallas was down by 5

B. There was still 8 minutes on the clock in the Lions game, there was less than 4 minutes on the clock in the Green Bay

C. It was 3rd and 1 and would result in a subsequent 4th and 1 in the Lions game, it was 4th and 2 in the Packers game.

D. The ball would have been placed at the 30 yard line in the Lions game versus the 1/2 yard line in the Packers game.

E. The Packers would have been out of timeouts

F. It was not a reviewable play in the Lions game, this was a reviewable play.


After the Lions game, the media types and other fans wanted the Cowboys to apologize for winning. Here, nobody wants the Packers to apologize for winning. I don't think they should have to apologize either, but behavior of the media and these supposed 'unbiased fans' just further strengthens my point that they are hypocrites.





YR

 

[Staubacher]

I don't think anybody is going to forget it. It was a horrible call. But officiating is part of the game the same way the size of the field or the shape of the ball is. If you're not good enough to win when horrible calls go against you, then you'r not getting it done, period. Garrett's right: we had 56 minutes before that call and 4 minutes after. If you have a touchdown inexplicably taken away from you, you have to go get another. You can't just take the benefit of poor officiating and then complain about it when it works in your favor. You have to work around the fact that it happens. So make sure you cover that muffed punt. Hold onto the ball tighter in traffic. Control that unexpected snap on third down. Don't whiff on that block that gets your QB slammed.

We had chances to win that game. We were the better team that day, too, I believe. So we had a higher hurdle to clear that day because of the officiating. It wasn't an even playing field. It was unfair. That really doesn't matter. We still could have gotten the job done. It's more productive to set that expectation than it is to say we were good enough to win if everything were fair and to just complain that it wasn't.

Getting 6-8 points taken away from us at Lambeau field with 4 minutes left is a lot. We never got the ball back. You can put that on our defense but the offense never got a chance to score again. Green Bay earned it by running out the clock really well, but the pressure went from being on them to having control.

I'm glad Garrett is publicly saying the 60 minutes thing too. I agree with that philosophy. I don't agree with saying we didn't "handle our business". The players deserve more respect than that - they went toe to toe with a team they were a touchdown underdog to in a place that team never loses. Have the refs take away a touchdown in the Seattle game would you say we didn't handle our business? We made mistakes in that one too, more so than the GB game.

This is my view. I expect the players to move on they are paid to do so. But this opportunity may never present itself again, at least not for aging vets like Witten and Romo. The league cheated them out of a rare moment, and cheated all of us on a fantastic finish that would have been settled on the field, not by a hack like Blandino who bends his arbitrary rules to fit the agenda of the moment.

 

[Staubacher]

I can't like this enough.

We heard all week that Jerry bribed the refs. No one is saying the league favored Discount Double Check.

I just get tired of:

1. The NFL stopping at nothing to claim that it was not a catch even though the rules clearly state that it was when you look at the rule towards 'an act common to the game.'

2. People honestly believing that this was 'the same thing' that happened to Detroit.


A. Detroit was up by 3, Dallas was down by 5

B. There was still 8 minutes on the clock in the Lions game, there was less than 4 minutes on the clock in the Green Bay

C. It was 3rd and 1 and would result in a subsequent 4th and 1 in the Lions game, it was 4th and 2 in the Packers game.

D. The ball would have been placed at the 30 yard line in the Lions game versus the 1/2 yard line in the Packers game.

E. The Packers would have been out of timeouts

F. It was not a reviewable play in the Lions game, this was a reviewable play.


After the Lions game, the media types and other fans wanted the Cowboys to apologize for winning. Here, nobody wants the Packers to apologize for winning. I don't think they should have to apologize either, but behavior of the media and these supposed 'unbiased fans' just further strengthens my point that they are hypocrites.





YR

 

[Staubacher]

Anyone who ever played football knows that Dez made the catch. You notice NO former WRs are willing to say otherwise.

Aikman revealed he heard from coaches (not ours was implied) that it was a catch. I don't have a single acquaintance who thinks that was not a catch. And most of them loathe Dallas.

 

[Staubacher]

Tony Romo was screwed the most. This guy has been bashed for years for seemingly never making a play like that in a moment like that. This would have put the lie to that and erased all doubt, even if we went on to lose by a winning Rodgers drive afterwards.The league chose to falsely protect their image from the week before and sacrificed one of the great QBs of our time on their altar of self righteousness.

Dez was screwed too big time. The kid has overcome so much and also took the media blows non stop. He makes a play that combines freakish athleticism with intelligence and field awareness and is told it isn't acceptable. He honestly asked afterwards "what else do I need to do"?

Witten. Screwed. Guy left his heart and soul out there. After all these years all that means squat, all that matters is what matters to the suits in a New York office.

Jason Garrett and the young players will have their chances over and over. That's why he needs to keep them on message, so his public stance has been perfect.

But for some players, and some fans, that moment is as good as it will ever get and it was stolen.

Screw the NFL.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I think the good citizenry off detroit half more to worry about than a bad call.

 

[DallasEast]

Huh???
I think you misread my response.

I merely said that the Detroit call isn't likely going to result in a rule change. But there is discussion that the Dallas no catch call may. Faceguarding is not a penalty in the NFL. I've heard no discussion to make it one. Furthermore, Hitchens wasn't penalized for faceguarding. He was penalized, initially, because it appeared he made contact as Pettigrue was coming back for the ball. From a different angle, it shows Pettigrue didn't make contact with Pettigrue.
So I really don't understand what your issue is with respect to my statement.

I am referring to the reason why the referee threw the flag. Per Pete Morelli:

"The back judge threw his flag for defensive pass interference," Morelli said in a pool report. "We got other information from another official from a different angle that thought the contact was minimal and didn't warrant pass interference. He thought it was face guarding."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story...l-dallas-cowboys-detroit-lions-wild-card-game

Yes, there was contact. However, the referee should have never thrown the flag because the minimal contact was created through face guarding. Since face guarding is not illegal in the NFL, there was no penalty. All the rhetoric generated by Detroit fans, the media, etc., concerning the non penalty is completely unfounded.

I did misread your original comment since you are clarifying that the Detroit call is not likely to result in a rule change. That is completely accurate since Hitchens did not foul Pettigrew according to the referee who threw the flag.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

That's not why it died. why it died is because the cowboys hating national media,( who lied to us about this being a good call) and who cried all last week about the flag being picked up. and how the Lions were done so wrong. they can feed that lie all they want.the NFL cheated the cowboys. that was a catch by Dez, and everyone knows it. i do agree that Garrett, Jerry and Stephen Jones should be screaming from the roof top about this BS. and they are just sitting their and letting this BS go. it's a disgrace.

Or maybe our coaches aren't little *****es and feel with a better Defense we run away with everything next year. 19-0 i can feel it

 

[cowboyvic]

Tony Romo was screwed the most. This guy has been bashed for years for seemingly never making a play like that in a moment like that. This would have put the lie to that and erased all doubt, even if we went on to lose by a winning Rodgers drive afterwards.The league chose to falsely protect their image from the week before and sacrificed one of the great QBs of our time on their altar of self righteousness.

Dez was screwed too big time. The kid has overcome so much and also took the media blows non stop. He makes a play that combines freakish athleticism with intelligence and field awareness and is told it isn't acceptable. He honestly asked afterwards "what else do I need to do"?

Witten. Screwed. Guy left his heart and soul out there. After all these years all that means squat, all that matters is what matters to the suits in a New York office.

Jason Garrett and the young players will have their chances over and over. That's why he needs to keep them on message, so his public stance has been perfect.

But for some players, and some fans, that moment is as good as it will ever get and it was stolen.

Screw the NFL.

Good post. only thing i disagree with is Garrett not being outraged by this. he should be screaming about this. and so should Jerry. yet the silence is just unreal.

 

[cowboyvic]

Or maybe our coaches aren't little *****es and feel with a better Defense we run away with everything next year. 19-0 i can feel it

Packers had a bad defense too.they miss chances too. and they did not recieve a screw job like this. stop the we could have won anyway crap. it's just another excuse for this unreal screw job.

 

[DallasEast]

Good post. only thing i disagree with is Garrett not being outraged by this. he should be screaming about this. and so should Jerry. yet the silence is just unreal.

You want a public reaction. Garrett and Jones will not give the league the satisfaction of belittling their dissatisfaction for everyone to see. Doing so would be illogical.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Aikman revealed he heard from coaches (not ours was implied) that it was a catch. I don't have a single acquaintance who thinks that was not a catch. And most of them loathe Dallas.

Aikman is using diversion tactics. He doesn't want to admit thats a catch because of his job and his position as analyst. I think he should just like he froths at the mouth at Aaron Rogers with his BFF Buck.

He knows thats a catch. He's just uttering what the Network wants him to say.

 

[cowboyvic]

You want a public reaction. Garrett and Jones will not give the league the satisfaction of belittling their dissatisfaction for everyone to see. Doing so would be illogical.

And that is a problem. and a reason the cowboys will keep getting these screw jobs. it all sounds good. but it aint worth a crap if you lose the game by getting screwed.

 

[DallasEast]

And that is a problem. and a reason the cowboys will keep getting these screw jobs. it all sounds good. but it aint worth a crap if you lose the game by getting screwed.

Doing the right thing sometimes means fighting a battle in ways you may not anticipate or understand.

 

[loublue22]

this is what happened

They went under the hood with the idea that he caught the ball and fell down, therefore if the ball comes out then it's not a catch. So that's all they looked at. I believe zero consideration went into anything that happened between when Dez caught it and when he hit the ground. They WENT IN only looking to apply the "Calvin Johnson Rule", and the fact that the ball came out is all they needed to see. I can't see how a ruling of a catch on the field is overturned if you make any serious effort to evaluate what Dez did with the ball in his hands. That's why all of their "official explanations" simply cite the CJ rule and that's it. No one has taken them to task in any serious way over the rest of the play, nor in comparison to numerous other plays that were ruled catches (even upon review), and if they were forced to explain this area it would get messy, ESPECIALLY given that it was a catch on the field.

I don't know why they did it, I don't know whose decision it ultimately was, but it's the only way it makes any sense. And it's still BS.

 

[Everson24]

this is what happened

They went under the hood with the idea that he caught the ball and fell down, therefore if the ball comes out then it's not a catch. So that's all they looked at. I believe zero consideration went into anything that happened between when Dez caught it and when he hit the ground. They WENT IN only looking to apply the "Calvin Johnson Rule", and the fact that the ball came out is all they needed to see. I can't see how a ruling of a catch on the field is overturned if you make any serious effort to evaluate what Dez did with the ball in his hands. That's why all of their "official explanations" simply cite the CJ rule and that's it. No one has taken them to task in any serious way over the rest of the play, nor in comparison to numerous other plays that were ruled catches (even upon review), and if they were forced to explain this area it would get messy, ESPECIALLY given that it was a catch on the field.

I don't know why they did it, I don't know whose decision it ultimately was, but it's the only way it makes any sense. And it's still BS.

I think that is exactly what they did. Steretore call the NY office where Blandino and his crew were watching it on TV and I think they quickly wanted to see if any rule would work to disallow the catch. Someone probably threw out the Calvin Johnson rule and bingo they had what they needed. It all just feels so dirty to me that I'm having a hard time letting it go. I really do feel sorry for those veterans on the field, Mainly Romo, Witten and even Dez.

 

[jimmy40]

Seems like there was a little football game played Monday night that might have been the most watched cable television show in history that maybe took some attention off the Dez catch/no catch. No that can't be it, back to whining.

 

[Plankton]

Anyone who ever played football knows that Dez made the catch. You notice NO former WRs are willing to say otherwise.

Cris Carter said that it wasn't a catch.

 

[cowboyvic]

I just get tired of:

1. The NFL stopping at nothing to claim that it was not a catch even though the rules clearly state that it was when you look at the rule towards 'an act common to the game.'

2. People honestly believing that this was 'the same thing' that happened to Detroit.


A. Detroit was up by 3, Dallas was down by 5

B. There was still 8 minutes on the clock in the Lions game, there was less than 4 minutes on the clock in the Green Bay

C. It was 3rd and 1 and would result in a subsequent 4th and 1 in the Lions game, it was 4th and 2 in the Packers game.

D. The ball would have been placed at the 30 yard line in the Lions game versus the 1/2 yard line in the Packers game.

E. The Packers would have been out of timeouts

F. It was not a reviewable play in the Lions game, this was a reviewable play.


After the Lions game, the media types and other fans wanted the Cowboys to apologize for winning. Here, nobody wants the Packers to apologize for winning. I don't think they should have to apologize either, but behavior of the media and these supposed 'unbiased fans' just further strengthens my point that they are hypocrites.





YR

Bingo. your post is right on the money. and it's flat out sickening what the NFL and the cowboys hating media pulled here. screw them. i will not be watching the NFL this weekend in protest of this disgrace.

 

[cowboyvic]

Cris Carter said that it wasn't a catch.

Cris Carter is a cowboys hating fool. that was a catch no matter who says it not.