Cooper Beebe had a nice season statistically

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GUYTON might be a better player than Steele at RT.
Not saying that Guyton can't get better, hes young enough and physically has the tools, but his issues seem to go way past switching sides, and has a long way to go to even catch up to a lower end starter like Steele. I'm all for letting him compete for either Tackle spot, but I really hope Jerry & Co dont go into 2025 just assuming he can be penciled into the starting lineup on either side.
 

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GUYTON might be a better player than Steele at RT.
I am not giving up on him yet. He was a reach when we picked him, and he needs to be coached up. And you are right he might need to go to his natural side which is RT but his technique and etc needs to be cleaned up tho even if he moves. But I think he will be fine. I think we as fan become spoiled with the Tyrons, Fredericks, Martins, Tylers and they have to realize just because he doesnt have the seemless instant transition, that he is a bust Like Tomlin said its like coaches are scared to coach up players.
 

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I wouldn’t mind seeing us draft a center and move Beebe to RG replacing the great Zack Martin.
Why? If he did that well after transitioning to the position, why would we be looking to move him to roll the dice on the next prospect?

I understand that it might be possible to find a better C & maybe he is a better RG .... but I'm not moving a guy just to move him. Line functioned pretty well after mid season. I'm more interested in where the other guys should play & if the other rookie is one of my 5 best.
 

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Why? If he did that well after transitioning to the position, why would we be looking to move him to roll the dice on the next prospect?

I understand that it might be possible to find a better C & maybe he is a better RG .... but I'm not moving a guy just to move him. Line functioned pretty well after mid season. I'm more interested in where the other guys should play & if the other rookie is one of my 5 best.
Why? Because I believe moving Beebe to his more natural position at G and bringing in a better C makes us better. IMO- Leaving things as they are on a 7-10 team has the potential for another 7-10 season.
 

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Beebe was okay, especially for snapping the football for the first time in his career. I do think he needs to get better, and I think he will.

If you watched the Vikings-Lions game and saw the holes Ragnow was helping create for Gibbs, you have to figure Dallas needs to get a lot better on the OL. Dallas RBs simply do not see those kind of gaps to run through. They used to when Martin was 100%. In fact, before Steele and hurt, he and Martin were bulldozers on the right side of the Cowboys OL.

Also, I am not convinced Guyton will be much better on the right side of the OL. These days, there are pass rushers on both sides of the defense, or DEs move around. Whatever he can't do on the left,, I am pretty sure won't get much better on the right. He appears to be lacking upper body strength. That needs to improve in the off-season. Once he can control rushers with his hands and arms, he will be fine. But it requires him to put in the time and effort.
 

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Why? If he did that well after transitioning to the position, why would we be looking to move him to roll the dice on the next prospect?

I understand that it might be possible to find a better C & maybe he is a better RG .... but I'm not moving a guy just to move him. Line functioned pretty well after mid season. I'm more interested in where the other guys should play & if the other rookie is one of my 5 best.
Too much common sense in this post!
 

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Why? Because I believe moving Beebe to his more natural position at G and bringing in a better C makes us better. IMO- Leaving things as they are on a 7-10 team has the potential for another 7-10 season.
Like I said, it's possible you find a better combination but you are taking a guy who got quite a bit of attaboys in his first year out of the role for what could be another Biadasz or C Will.

There is a lot of low hanging fruit to address the 7-10 before I worry about a bright spot of the 24 season. That's all I'm saying.
 

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Cooper had a good year, definitely was the right call letting Biadsz sign with Washington.

 However, other than Smith and Beebe, I have mixed feelings about the oline. Hoffman may be an option somewhere along the line, but the tackle spots are a bit iffy. Guyton has the measurables but had ups and downs which is to be expected. Steele was shaky most of the season, but played better last 4-5 games. I don't know that I would draft oline in the first round, unless they're far beyond the best player available, but day 2 they should definitely be looking to add. Securing a veteran at tackle for insurance may also be wise.
 

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Why move Beebe? He did very well in his first year at the position. Investing in his development during a wasted season is one of the things that will pay off in the future. Said it before, but MM is pretty reluctant to praise rookies too heavily, but he really praised Beebe this year.

As for Hoffman, they want someone bigger than him. Biadasz was borderline big enough. Beebe is 20+ pounds bigger than Hoffman.
 

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I remember, during the draft last year, there were a number of posters proclaiming Beebe was a great pick.

Kudos to those people. You were correct.
 

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Cooper had a good year, definitely was the right call letting Biadsz sign with Washington.

 However, other than Smith and Beebe, I have mixed feelings about the oline. Hoffman may be an option somewhere along the line, but the tackle spots are a bit iffy. Guyton has the measurables but had ups and downs which is to be expected. Steele was shaky most of the season, but played better last 4-5 games. I don't know that I would draft oline in the first round, unless they're far beyond the best player available, but day 2 they should definitely be looking to add. Securing a veteran at tackle for insurance may also be wise.
I think people forget just bc Steele got paid - he was still coming off an major injury in which I feel he got rushed back bc he got paid. He looked better later probably bc he was starting to feel better overall. I think Hoffman, Bass are great depth pieces at OG I think you are definitely right about find a veteran OT for insurance.
 

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Appears to be on his way and a bright spot so far.

He had zero issues adapting to the NFL, if anybody was expecting perfection like he wasn't going to have a bad game or a bad snap, you might want to go check the rest of them.

he in my opinion as a rookie is already better than Tyler who he replaced and now people are talking about moving him around??!!!

are you guys serious?!!

I can't respond to some of y'all and then Hoffman not to answer long term either you know who you are yeah, he is I prefer to leave it as is I'm tired of messing around with this line right now we ended the season the center of that line can stay exactly how it was and we're going to be fine next year. TYler-BB-Hoffman

It's the tackles I'm worried about what are we going to do with Guyton, Richardson and Steele..

No need to draft the center to the guy below you know who you are no we either going to use hopping or BB we have our centers but I prefer to see Hoffman stay at right guard he's done nothing to lose that job and anybody who thinks it's not long term or not watching what do you want to pro bowler in all 5 positions we have bigger Phil if you're going to pick anybody in the draft at the offensive line it's probably going to be a tackle...

but Even so,

I still think we have enough guys on this team with the right coaching staff to get the right five on the field that we don't need to worry about it in the draft either...

Beebee did a great job.. kudos no changes necessary year 2 will be breeze :))
 

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move hoff to RG , beebe to LG, Smith to LT and draft a center.Steele at RT until we can find someone better.MAYBE move Guyton there.
This isn't happening if they were going to do it they would have done it this year they have a resistance and I don't know who's resisting maybe it's Tyler himself has gone in and says he doesn't want to be a left tackle I don't know what's going on behind the scenes but I know this they do not want to put him at left tackle or they would have done it to end the year instead of having a turnstile at left tackle easily bass was handling himself at left guard why didn't you move Tyler to left tackle the rest of this year just to see how that five would have worked out?

So what I'm saying is my gut tells me they're not going to make that move there's absolutely I don't want to say zero chance but close to 0 if it was going to happen they would've played with that the rest of this season and they did not they allowed that left tackle to be a turnstile..

even though saw bass played pretty well at left guard they were hesitant to move him for whatever reason..

that would be something I would entertain ,and you see it but there's something about this coaching staff and or the person how do we know the player said he's more comfortable staying at left guard if he could be an all pro at left guard why move him that's probably what he said that's probably what they're saying..

I don't underst and all this people want to move everyone from the center of this line I like the four players we have in the center...

Beebee, Smith, bass and Hoffman all can man the middle positions..its the tackles for sure that have to get sorted out ..

Do they feel comfortable with Richards and guyton in this long training camp and preseason getting another shot at left tackle maybe another offseason of work in the weight room and with this team maybe guyton gets better or are they cutting steel to save money and then moving guy over there and then we still have to think about the left tackle... I have no idea the one thing I do know is I wouldn't mess with the middle of this line I like what it looked like I don't care if they're all pros or even pro bowlers they just have to be steady they have to do their job and I see that they can more than do their job..
 
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