Cooper Beebe had a nice season statistically

[big dog cowboy]

I remember, during the draft last year, there were a number of posters proclaiming Beebe was a great pick.

Kudos to those people. You were correct.

Thanks, but I cheated. I see every K-St game.

The only thing that surprised me about the draft and Beebe is how he lasted until pick 73.

Just wait until September when he has a full off season.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Hoffman isnt a starter IMO he is a depth piece. Struggles against the big boys at times.

When has Hoffman struggled against the big DTs this season? If anything, he has shown to be able to handle those big DTs better than expected, even dominated at times.

 

[thunderpimp91]

When has Hoffman struggled against the big DTs this season? If anything, he has shown to be able to handle those big DTs better than expected, even dominated at times.

Tampa he looked rough, but Vea does that to a lot of guys. The Philly game was a mixed bag too, but we are probably talking about two of the best DTs in football between those two teams. He more than held his own against NY, and honestly did a good job against Cincinnati who I think has a very underrate guy in BJ Hill.

Mixed bag on Hoffman, but its hard to hold his struggles against him given that its come against two of the leagues genetic freaks. Wish we had even more tape on the guy, but its hard to say hes anything less than at least an average type of starter in the league at this point.

 

[TheDank]

I wouldn’t mind seeing us draft a center and move Beebe to RG replacing the great Zack Martin.

Not a great C draft unfortunately. Best C eligible this year (imo) didn't declare, Bryce Foster out of Kansas. Otherwise I'm right there with you. The top two guys in this class are undersized even for C's.

 

[bluemagic4ever]

Tampa he looked rough, but Vea does that to a lot of guys. The Philly game was a mixed bag too, but we are probably talking about two of the best DTs in football between those two teams. He more than held his own against NY, and honestly did a good job against Cincinnati who I think has a very underrate guy in BJ Hill.

Mixed bag on Hoffman, but its hard to hold his struggles against him given that its come against two of the leagues genetic freaks. Wish we had even more tape on the guy, but its hard to say hes anything less than at least an average type of starter in the league at this point.

Exactly... he isnt a guy that gonna stop me from addressing the position over the off season.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Tampa he looked rough, but Vea does that to a lot of guys. The Philly game was a mixed bag too, but we are probably talking about two of the best DTs in football between those two teams. He more than held his own against NY, and honestly did a good job against Cincinnati who I think has a very underrate guy in BJ Hill.

Mixed bag on Hoffman, but its hard to hold his struggles against him given that its come against two of the leagues genetic freaks. Wish we had even more tape on the guy, but its hard to say hes anything less than at least an average type of starter in the league at this point.

Vita Vea beat Hoffman how many times? 2 - 3 plays all game long? Compared to Hoffman stifling him at the line of scrimmage throughout the game? I would say Hoffman won that battle.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Vita Vea beat Hoffman how many times? 2 - 3 plays all game long? Compared to Hoffman stifling him at the line of scrimmage throughout the game? I would say Hoffman won that battle.

I don't have the exact snap count on Vea V Hoffman from the entire game so maybe he handled him fine, but here are the negative plays I counted on Hoffman that game:

Q1 3:36 - Falls down after running into Veas back
Q1 2:58 - Hoffman beat on a quick swim move that blows up the play
Q1 2:52 - On the Tolbert TD, Vea beats hoffman for quick pressure forcing an early throw
Q2 10:49 - Chop block doesnt even phase Vea
Q2 4:10 - 96 just pushes Hoffman out of the way to make the tackle on Dowdle on a toss play....a toss play.
Q2 3:29 - Ball comes out quick so it doesnt hurt the play but Hoffman is late to pickup the stunt and gets driven back into QB depth
Q2 3:05 - Rush gets the ball off, but Hoffman pushed back qb depth again
Q2 :48 - Looks like he was slow to pick up the stunt - #9 drives him into QB depth
Q2 :28 - Hoffman gives up the sack in right around 2 seconds
Q3 8:23 - Hoffman false start
Q3 :31 - Nice down block on #96 but Hoffman too slow to get off that block and to the LB who made the play for minimal gain
Q4 14:27 - Beat by #96 who is playing an inside technique moving outside on the outside zone run. All Hoffman needed to do here was wall his man off to open a seam for Dowdle, instead he makes the play
Q4 13:20 - Penalty on Hoffman, holding
Q4 13:03 - Hoffman beat on a quick inside move from #94
Q4 9:10 - Hoffman beat by a bull rush on #94, 94 gets a hit on Rush after the ball is released

I don't think this game is a reflection of what Hoffman can be, hes a better player than this, but I cant deny that he got abused in this one.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Exactly... he isnt a guy that gonna stop me from addressing the position over the off season.

Agree completely. I'm completely fine with Hoffman coming back, and dont think you have to sign another interior guy to make a move, but if an upgrade is there for similar money or you really like a guy early for the interior in the draft I wouldnt hesitate to pull the trigger. I think this team makes the mistake too often of being OK with decent players at a position when better options are available.

 

[bluemagic4ever]

I don't have the exact snap count on Vea V Hoffman from the entire game so maybe he handled him fine, but here are the negative plays I counted on Hoffman that game:

Q1 3:36 - Falls down after running into Veas back
Q1 2:58 - Hoffman beat on a quick swim move that blows up the play
Q1 2:52 - On the Tolbert TD, Vea beats hoffman for quick pressure forcing an early throw
Q2 10:49 - Chop block doesnt even phase Vea
Q2 4:10 - 96 just pushes Hoffman out of the way to make the tackle on Dowdle on a toss play....a toss play.
Q2 3:29 - Ball comes out quick so it doesnt hurt the play but Hoffman is late to pickup the stunt and gets driven back into QB depth
Q2 3:05 - Rush gets the ball off, but Hoffman pushed back qb depth again
Q2 :48 - Looks like he was slow to pick up the stunt - #9 drives him into QB depth
Q2 :28 - Hoffman gives up the sack in right around 2 seconds
Q3 8:23 - Hoffman false start
Q3 :31 - Nice down block on #96 but Hoffman too slow to get off that block and to the LB who made the play for minimal gain
Q4 14:27 - Beat by #96 who is playing an inside technique moving outside on the outside zone run. All Hoffman needed to do here was wall his man off to open a seam for Dowdle, instead he makes the play
Q4 13:20 - Penalty on Hoffman, holding
Q4 13:03 - Hoffman beat on a quick inside move from #94
Q4 9:10 - Hoffman beat by a bull rush on #94, 94 gets a hit on Rush after the ball is released

I don't think this game is a reflection of what Hoffman can be, hes a better player than this, but I cant deny that he got abused in this one.

If you looked at the game and look at how hard it was to run the ball it’s started with Vea. Brock has a mean streak and is a solid back up but he isn’t that guy you are trying to make him out to be. He looked good against teams who were in the bottom of rushing defense . He played against some of the better defenses and struggled . Again not a bad player -average but he isn’t someone that should hinder us from getting a better option.

 

[aikemirv]

Hoffman would be great at C. Beebe would be great at G. Positions for both players is their natural positions in college.

I like our interior line, Guyton is going to have to make large improvements though. He is a downgrade from our backups at this point. Steele is not what he used to be either.

 

[thunderpimp91]

If you looked at the game and look at how hard it was to run the ball it’s started with Vea. Brock has a mean streak and is a solid back up but he isn’t that guy you are trying to make him out to be. He looked good against teams who were in the bottom of rushing defense . He played against some of the better defenses and struggled . Again not a bad player -average but he isn’t someone that should hinder us from getting a better option.

Not sure I understand what you're saying here....I listed 15 negative plays from Hoffman in one game. Thats horrible and if everyone on your OL had 15 negative plays you'd be lucky to get off 5-6 clean plays all game. I don't mind Hoffman starting next season, hes shown that he is capable of plus play in multiple games this year, but I also dont think he should be handed a spot without real competition as he has had rougher games like Tampa and Philly. I'm pretty middle of the road on Hoffman where I'd welcome him back, but also wouldnt overpay him with starter money/guarantees in free agency either.

You might be a little more down on Hoffman than I am in saying he is a backup, but I wont over judge a player based on two games against very good competition. Tampa/Philly can make a lot of guys in the league look really bad, and somewhere along the OL you're likely going to have to settle for average. Hoffman seems pretty average, but is also only 25 with around 700 career snaps which means there could still be a little more room to grow.

 

[charron]

Hoffman would be great at C. Beebe would be great at G. Positions for both players is their natural positions in college.

Since when do the cowboys play OL at their college positions? I jest...kinda.

 

[bluemagic4ever]

Not sure I understand what you're saying here....I listed 15 negative plays from Hoffman in one game. Thats horrible and if everyone on your OL had 15 negative plays you'd be lucky to get off 5-6 clean plays all game. I don't mind Hoffman starting next season, hes shown that he is capable of plus play in multiple games this year, but I also dont think he should be handed a spot without real competition as he has had rougher games like Tampa and Philly. I'm pretty middle of the road on Hoffman where I'd welcome him back, but also wouldnt overpay him with starter money/guarantees in free agency either.

You might be a little more down on Hoffman than I am in saying he is a backup, but I wont over judge a player based on two games against very good competition. Tampa/Philly can make a lot of guys in the league look really bad, and somewhere along the OL you're likely going to have to settle for average. Hoffman seems pretty average, but is also only 25 with around 700 career snaps which means there could still be a little more room to grow.

Apologies that’s wasn’t geared towards you it was geared towards the previous poster Americas Cowboy. I totally agree with you assessment..

 

[thunderpimp91]

Apologies that’s wasn’t geared towards you it was geared towards the previous poster Americas Cowboy. I totally agree with you assessment..

All good bud, I've done similar multiple times!

 

[bluemagic4ever]

All good bud, I've done similar multiple times!

LOL.. appreciate you.

 

[gtb1943]

Hoffman can be a starter but good enough for a team wanting to win it all?
questionable.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Not as a long term answer.

kinda agree

I like him as the interior flex guy who can play G or C

but I really hope we either draft a guy to play RG/C or sign a free agent