Cop gets kicked out of coffee shop in OR

[vta]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_patrol
http://books.google.com/books?id=uajZhTYdmVsC&pg=PA10&lpg=PA10
Right column, second paragraph.

Too tired; don't give a poop:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&q=slave+patrols+police

That's really quite ridiculous. A 'general accepted theory' (one has to wonder who these great minds that do are) doesn't extinguish the actual history of 'police' which had existed before America and slavery as we know it in general. Trying to create the false impression that they are a product of racist slavery is pretty ignorant.

 

[daschoo]

You see similar stuff like this in England, where pubs and restaurants refuse to serve soldiers, if you can believe that.

i'm going to assume you mean britain when you say england? either way its not a knock on the soldiers. you could be referring to the fact that they're not allowed to wear their uniforms when they're not working as they were being targeted by the ira and other paramilitary organisations at the height of the troubles in ireland. therefore anyone going into a restaurant in army uniform would be denied service.
alternatively you could be referring to pubs close to army bases who refuse to let the squaddies in because they are sick of them getting drunk and trashing the place leaving them with a massive bill for new furniture, unpaid for drink, extra costs for bouncers not to mention the disruption to their regular clientèle.

You know the first role of the police was to discipline slaves and keep tabs on them? They weren't police as we know them today or police at all (the people policed themselves, used the courts, and of course there were sheriffs to carry out court orders). These patrolmen were enforcing slave codes, and it worked well enough that they decided to use it for other laws as well. Thus, our modern police force is borne out of slavery. Yay slaves.

thats just so much nonsense its not even funny. the police were invented in america? before you guys came into being what 300 years ago, maybe less, no-one had come up with the idea of having someone to actually enforce the laws of their particular civilisation?

 

[Jon88]

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This is a hijacking. Everything is fine. We are returning to the airport. Please be nice.

 

[YosemiteSam]

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This is a hijacking. Everything is fine. We are returning to the airport. Please be nice.

Umm. No. ...actually, why?

 

[Jon88]

Umm. No. ...actually, why?

I have absolutely no idea what happened there.

In the first place, who picked this guy?

Second, if you don't know the song, bring a sheet and read it.

 

[bbgun]

 

[ethiostar]

I've only had one cop who acted like a jerk toward me in my entire life. The rest have been very nice and have given me breaks when they were within their rights to do otherwise.

 

[hairic]

That's really quite ridiculous. A 'general accepted theory' (one has to wonder who these great minds that do are) doesn't extinguish the actual history of 'police' which had existed before America and slavery as we know it in general. Trying to create the false impression that they are a product of racist slavery is pretty ignorant.

The policing up to that point consisted of appointed sheriffs and elected constables. There wasn't an organized police force who's main goal was enforcing laws passed by the states, which also required a consistent presence in society, or a group that policed like a modern police force. That type of organized policing began during slavery to enforce slave codes. Since this is the type of policing that jon is angry about (he can't mean the passive law enforcement of the past, as we don't have it anymore), I thought I'd mention where it first showed up.

The closest thing that past civilizations had to modern police were soldiers, but they didn't enforce laws, they enforced order (as in, no rebellions for you and no invasions from anyone else).

I wasn't claiming that it was racist (as evidenced by never mentioning race, just the social institution of slavery). There's books that claim that after the Civil War, the groups that comprised the slave patrols split to form the KKK, while the rest went on to be the police, but I haven't read it (I'll probably read a couple eventually.). If that's what you were referring to and wanted to explore the racist element.

 

[vta]

The policing up to that point consisted of appointed sheriffs and elected constables. There wasn't an organized police force who's main goal was enforcing laws passed by the states, which also required a consistent presence in society, or a group that policed like a modern police force. That type of organized policing began during slavery to enforce slave codes. Since this is the type of policing that jon is angry about (he can't mean the passive law enforcement of the past, as we don't have it anymore), I thought I'd mention where it first showed up.

The closest thing that past civilizations had to modern police were soldiers, but they didn't enforce laws, they enforced order (as in, no rebellions for you and no invasions from anyone else).

I wasn't claiming that it was racist (as evidenced by never mentioning race, just the social institution of slavery). There's books that claim that after the Civil War, the groups that comprised the slave patrols split to form the KKK, while the rest went on to be the police, but I haven't read it (I'll probably read a couple eventually.). If that's what you were referring to and wanted to explore the racist element.

That's pretty funny how you try to make it like I'm the one inferring racism here. You didn't claim it was racist, yet state earlier that it is born of slavery. Remember 'Ya slavery'? What was slavery based on, if not racist notions?

No matter how loosely organized early law enforcement may have been, it didn't exist to hold slaves in line, but to enforce some sort of civil code; based primarily on an English standard, which probably has it's roots in the French ideal of policing. The Gerndarme (SP?) were first military, then simply a civil police force after a while. This dates back before slavery and the need to further oppress slaves.

 

[theogt]

I dislike the dentist, but I'm not going to a chiropractor to get my teeth cleaned.

 

[bbgun]

I dislike the dentist, but I'm not going to a chiropractor to get my teeth cleaned.

Correct, because the dentist has specialized training/knowledge. Who will the flower child-store owner call if his store is robbed or he's attacked by a criminal? The ACLU? Not on your life, or his.

 

[hairic]

That's pretty funny how you try to make it like I'm the one inferring racism here. You didn't claim it was racist, yet state earlier that it is born of slavery. Remember 'Ya slavery'? What was slavery based on, if not racist notions?

No matter how loosely organized early law enforcement may have been, it didn't exist to hold slaves in line, but to enforce some sort of civil code; based primarily on an English standard, which probably has it's roots in the French ideal of policing. The Gerndarme (SP?) were first military, then simply a civil police force after a while. This dates back before slavery and the need to further oppress slaves.

Just because something is borne out of slavery, which happened to be a majority of a single race, doesn't mean the intentions are racist (BTW, there were free black men at this time in the colonies as well as white slaves, and probably instances where free blacks possessed white slaves).

Anyway, at that point, slaves outnumbered the local population like 2 to 1 and had started being rebellious. The response was the slave patrols and activities that resemble your modern police forces. They were not formed to randomly oppress, even though they did oppress, it wasn't the intention; it was about maintaining the social order of things and protection from the slaves. The "yay slaves" is referring to the slaves triggering the patrols and mocking jon.

 

[vta]

Just because something is borne out of slavery, which happened to be a majority of a single race, doesn't mean the intentions are racist (BTW, there were free black men at this time in the colonies as well as white slaves, and probably instances where free blacks possessed white slaves).

Anyway, at that point, slaves outnumbered the local population like 2 to 1 and had started being rebellious. The response was the slave patrols and activities that resemble your modern police forces. They were not formed to randomly oppress, even though they did oppress, it wasn't the intention; it was about maintaining the social order of things and protection from the slaves. The "yay slaves" is referring to the slaves triggering the patrols and mocking jon.

This is untrue. It most certainly took place in some Southern states, but long before slave patrols were happening, Boston and New York were establishing organized patrols. In the 1600's, not related to slave control. The sort of thing you're talking about were localized efforts in certain areas and most certainly not the precursor or trigger for organized law enforcement throughout the country.