Cornering my concerns for the Cowboy's / Final 53

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First, my final 53 based off of my observations thus far.

OFFENSE

QB - Tony Romo, Jon Kitna, Stephen McGee (though, it would be nice if we could tuck McGee away on the practice squad, to save room for additional personnel on defense)

HB - Marion Barber, Felix Jones, Tashard Choice

WR - Roy Williams, Patrick Crayton, Miles Austin, Sam Hurd, Kevin Ogletree (I'd prefer Ogletree or Austin handle Kick Returns over Felix Jones)

TE - Jason Witten, Martellus Bennett, John Phillips

FB - Deon Anderson

LT - Flozell Adams, Doug Free

LG - Kyle Kosier, Montrae Holland

C - Andre Gurode, Duke Preston (finally someone who can replace Proctor's ability to be interchangeable at guard and center; Duke Preston was a starter at both position's for Buffalo last season, and actually did very well, despite their pedestrian finish)

RG - Leonard Davis, Duke Preston

RT - Marc Columbo, Pat McQuistan

I feel pretty comfortable with the above offense. I'd say the offensive line could afford injuries at the center and guard position, but we our an injured OT away from our offensive line being a turnstile. Outside of that, we have decent depth. Considering that since Stephen McGee's debut against the Raiders, we haven't seen much of him, I would not be suprised if the Cowboy's organization isn't trying to make the league forget about him, so they can sneak him past waivers, but we will know more if that's their strategy this coming Friday night against the Vikings. If we see more of Jon Kitna and Rudy Carpenter, that's exactly what the Cowboy's are trying to do.

DEFENSE

RE - Igor Olshansky, Stephen Bowen (if we could get McGee to accept a practice squad spot, I might consider keeping Marcus Dixon here)

DT - Jay Ratliff, Junior Siavii

LE - Marcus Spears, Jason Hatcher

ROLB - Demarcus Ware, Steve Octavien, Victor Butler

MLB - Bradie James, Keith Brooking, Bobby Carpenter, Stephen Hodge

LOLB - Anthony Spencer, Jason Williams (I actually had hoped Jason William's would be converted to this position from the beginning; with the season-ending injury to Brandon William's, he may be the most ideal replacement)

CB - Terence Newman, Orlando Scandrick, Mike Jenkins, Alan Ball, Mike Mickens (we will be watching the waiver wire very closely for this position; Mike Mickens is another who could use some time on the practice squad)

FS - Ken Hamlin, DeAngelo Smith (again, we will be watching the waiver wire for both Safety positions, as DeAngelo Smith and Michael Hamlin are not ready for pro football and could use some time on the practice squad)

SS - Gerald Sensabaugh, Pat Wakins, Michael Hamlin

I am more concerned about our defense, than our offense, particularly in the Seconary. First and foremost, corner is my most significant concern. Terence Newman has been an injury waiting to happen the last few seasons, and behind Scandrick and Jenkins, the options are dismal. Next on my list of concerns is Safety. Ken Hamlin has been solid, but behind him is a whole lot of inexperience. Sensabaugh, has been solid in coverage, but not as good as advertised against the run, taking poor angles and not wrapping up on potential tackles (not to mention the two major penalties levied against him in the last two games). Behind him, once again, the options are pretty weak. Linebacker is actually the least of my concerns. Bobbie Carpenter has done quite a bit to regain some of my confidence thus far. Granted, when he is headlining the second and third string defense his production is pretty weak, but I think if he is surrounded by good players, he in turn will play well, as would be the case should an injury demand he step up.

SPECIAL TEAMS

K - Nick Folk, David Buehler

P - Matt McBriar

LS - L.P. Ladouceur

I would have liked to have seen Buehler have more opportunities to kick field goals. I love the clutch performances Nick Folk has given us, but if David can be solid in this area, it would be nice to have an extra position to offer a corner, safety, linebacker, or even receiver if we would like to see a little more of Isaiah Stanback. The same goes for L.P. Ladouceur: Once again, he has been solid, but if Matt Stewart can perform the position, the additional linebacker/special teams contributor would be nice. On the other hand, unless the coaching staff is absolutely certain in regards to Buehler and Stewart taking over for Folk and Ladouceur, it certainly is not worth a gamble.

IR

Robert Brewster - Torn pectorial muscle

Brandon Williams - Torn ACL

LEFTOVERS

Matt Stewart, Marcus Dixon, Jonas Seawright, Derreck Robinson, Keon Lattimore, Julius Crosslin, Asaph Schwapp, Rudy Carpenter, Manuel Johnson, Isaiah Stanback, Jesse Holley, Travis Bright, Ryan Gibbons, Cory Proctor, Greg Isdaner, Andre Douglas, Mike Jefferson, and Julian Hawkins.

The bolded players represent guys I would like to see make the practice squad. I would have bolded Stanback, but I don't think he is eligible.

CONCERNS

For all the emphasis placed on playing perfect, you would think we would see improvement in the penalty area. 3 preseason games down and the Cowboys are the most penalized team in the NFL. But it's not just the penalties that are bothering me, as much as, when they are happening. On the offense, their favorite time to a draw a penalty is to negate a 1st down or a score. The defense loves to commit penalties when the opposing offenses will have to punt or go for it on fourth down without the penalty that otherwise offers them a 1st down on a silver platter. The Cowboy's organization has also been telling us that they have focused on creating more turnover's via the secondary and thus far the Cowboy's only have 1. In defense of the defense, the Titan's and 49ers utilize ball control offenses, running the ball, working the flats and zone is predominantly how they move the ball limiting the number of opportunities to create turnovers via interception.

Positions of interest on the waiver wire in order of need.

Corner - Newman has been an injury waiting to happen the last two seasons. Behind Scandrick and Jenkins (and Jenkins is still not what I consider solid) the pickings are slim. Alan Ball, Courtney Brown and Mike Mickens are on the bubble, and were not for the lack of option's, Ball would likely be the only one considered worthy of a roster spot.

Safety - I know many think linebacker should be 1st and foremost if not, at least, second. But as I said above, I am much more comfortable with our second stringers at linebacker than I am at Safety.
Offensive Tackle - The position of this concern is debatable.

OT could even be considered a chief concern. But for all the penalties and mistakes, the QB's have actually had a pretty clean pocket throughout the first 3 games; though, they haven't exactly played defensive powerhouses either. We will know more about this offensive line once the regular season begins, playing our first two games against the Bucs and the Giants.

Linebacker - This probably wouldn't make my list, though, I know Wade will be keeping his eye's pealed for linebackers, because they are so crucial to the success of a 3-4. But ultimately, I've been moderately happy with the play from our 1st stringers down to our rookies.

ANALYSIS

Being the preseason, it's difficult to really gauge how much my confidence has changed prior to the season beginning. I knew the offense would be a match-up nightmare and could be much more balanced than they have been since Jason Garrett took over. I even said this team was built to dink and dunk; but I would have liked to see Romo take some more chances down field (minus that duck he threw intended forOgletree), to open the intermediate game up more, as the 49ers did have a tendency to sit on routes expecting the short game. I don't think using the go route to back a defense up, show's too much of your offenses hand.

On defense, the Cowboy's can be dominating. But I've noticed, the face of their intensity changes once a defender commits a series continuing penalty. It is as if they really want these younger players to feel the sting of their mistakes, by pretty much allowing the opposing offense to do what ever it want's from that point forward. I really don't believe that's the strategy; I'm just saying, that is what it seems like.

All in all, I feel pretty confident this team is capable of having a 10 and 6 win/loss ratio by season end. But the bigger question is if that's going to be enough in a very tough NFCE.

 

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I doubt McGee lasts on the PS.

The other alternative is to put him on IR if a roster spot for another position is an absolute necessity. That said, I have no idea if that's what the organization wants to do.
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;2914247 said:
Mcgee would be snatched up in a second....
Yeah, not exactly sure how, but I forgot he was injured. At any rate, I'm not so sure team's would be eager to offer him a spot on the final 53. He is a 2 to 3 year project, at least, for the QB position. Way too tentative and he has a serious case of the happy feet. If I'm not mistaken, those kinds of issues take time to correct.
 

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Look at the QB depth around the league though.

Denver, Wsh, KC, Stl., Hou, Jax, Chi, Sea, SF all would take him over their 2 or 3. And w/ some research it might more
 

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jday;2914260 said:
Yeah, not exactly sure how, but I forgot he was injured. At any rate, I'm not so sure team's would be eager to offer him a spot on the final 53. He is a 2 to 3 year project, at least, for the QB position. Way too tentative and he has a serious case of the happy feet. If I'm not mistaken, those kinds of issues take time to correct.

No consideration to risking McGeee to the waiver process.

You don't use the 1st pick in the 4th round on a guy and then risk losing him by getting cute.

You'd have a much better chance putting Hodge there as he's been nothing but injured all preseason.

And I think Mickens would have a much better chance of clearing waivers too.
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;2914247 said:
Mcgee would be snatched up in a second....
McGee sprained his knee on the TD throw to Hannah in the 4th quarter of the Tennessee game.
 

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jday;2914260 said:
Yeah, not exactly sure how, but I forgot he was injured. At any rate, I'm not so sure team's would be eager to offer him a spot on the final 53. He is a 2 to 3 year project, at least, for the QB position. Way too tentative and he has a serious case of the happy feet. If I'm not mistaken, those kinds of issues take time to correct.

Dont matter man he has the potential especially with that strong arm he has. The PS thing with McGee is a moot point to even discuss cause it aint happening but other than that good roster analysis from you
 

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McGee will definitely be snatched up. We knew he'd be a project coming in and that's fine. He played in a weird offense for most of his college career and it's going to take him time to get adjusted to the NFL and a pro style offense.
 

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I love the "accept a PS spot" stuff. Yeah. Most players would want to get paid like a quarter of what they'd make on the regular roster.
 

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Okay, okay, okay. I get it. McGee to practice squad is a moot point. I included him on my 53, because I thought the odds were we would keep him there. My primary contention with this whole crazy idea is I have a feeling we will have depth need's elsewhere, particulary on defense. But, nevertheless, you all are probably right: We will keep McGee on the final roster.
 

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jday;2914312 said:
Okay, okay, okay. I get it. McGee to practice squad is a moot point. I included him on my 53, because I thought the odds were we would keep him there. My primary contention with this whole crazy idea is I have a feeling we will have depth need's elsewhere, particulary on defense. But, nevertheless, you all are probably right: We will keep McGee on the final roster.

Tough crowd, no?

:)
 

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Woods;2914327 said:
Tough crowd, no?

:)
Nah, it's a smart crowd! I learn alot from these guy's, just like I did up there. Of course, I knew we would probably keep him, I just figured when you decide to keep a long snap specialist and a kick off specialist, you have to short change a position. To me, QB seemed to be the most ideal of all the positions...but that is just my opinion.
 

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If Matt Moore could not make it through waivers why would anyone think mcgee would?
 

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If Matt Moore could not make it through waivers why would anyone think mcgee would?
 

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Very Good read and post;
First, my final 53 based off of my observations thus far.

OFFENSE

QB - Tony Romo, Jon Kitna, Stephen McGee (though, it would be nice if we could tuck McGee away on the practice squad, to save room for additional personnel on defense) I agree with this, wished we could put Mcgee on PS so we can keep another good player on the team that can contribute.

HB - Marion Barber, Felix Jones, Tashard Choice

WR - Roy Williams, Patrick Crayton, Miles Austin, Sam Hurd, Kevin Ogletree (I'd prefer Ogletree or Austin handle Kick Returns over Felix Jones)

TE - Jason Witten, Martellus Bennett, John Phillips

FB - Deon Anderson (I agree with this and will admit I was wrong on this, I thought we could keep 4 TE's so one could block, but after the fullback sat night miffed on a block that Romo couldnt step into the throw and threw an interception, I admit i was wrong about the fullback position)

LT - Flozell Adams, Doug Free

LG - Kyle Kosier, Montrae Holland

C - Andre Gurode, Duke Preston (finally someone who can replace Proctor's ability to be interchangeable at guard and center; Duke Preston was a starter at both position's for Buffalo last season, and actually did very well, despite their pedestrian finish)

(Here is big wishing, wished we could trade proctor for say a 4th to 5th rounder to recoup our 5th rounder next year that goes to Denver, and yes, I know I am dreaming, this is where I fantasize some in the draft, at least a guy can dream. Here is hoping Duke Preston can beat out Proctor and send him packing.)

RG - Leonard Davis, Duke Preston

RT - Marc Columbo, Pat McQuistan

I feel pretty comfortable with the above offense. I'd say the offensive line could afford injuries at the center and guard position, but we our an injured OT away from our offensive line being a turnstile. Outside of that, we have decent depth. Considering that since Stephen McGee's debut against the Raiders, we haven't seen much of him, I would not be suprised if the Cowboy's organization isn't trying to make the league forget about him, so they can sneak him past waivers, but we will know more if that's their strategy this coming Friday night against the Vikings. If we see more of Jon Kitna and Rudy Carpenter, that's exactly what the Cowboy's are trying to do.

I agree with eveything you said above, all except the trying to sneak hom through waivers, remember, the cowboys lost a rookie QB Moore to the Panthers that way. Dont think the Cowboys will take that chance on a 3rd round pick, but totally agree with everything else you said. Again, super post!

DEFENSE

RE - Igor Olshansky, Stephen Bowen (if we could get McGee to accept a practice squad spot, I might consider keeping Marcus Dixon here)

DT - Jay Ratliff, Junior Siavii

LE - Marcus Spears, Jason Hatcher

ROLB - Demarcus Ware, Steve Octavien, Victor Butler

MLB - Bradie James, Keith Brooking, Bobby Carpenter, Stephen Hodge

LOLB - Anthony Spencer, Jason Williams (I actually had hoped Jason William's would be converted to this position from the beginning; with the season-ending injury to Brandon William's, he may be the most ideal replacement)

CB - Terence Newman, Orlando Scandrick, Mike Jenkins, Alan Ball, Mike Mickens (we will be watching the waiver wire very closely for this position; Mike Mickens is another who could use some time on the practice squad)

FS - Ken Hamlin, DeAngelo Smith (again, we will be watching the waiver wire for both Safety positions, as DeAngelo Smith and Michael Hamlin are not ready for pro football and could use some time on the practice squad)

SS - Gerald Sensabaugh, Pat Wakins, Michael Hamlin

I am more concerned about our defense, than our offense, particularly in the Seconary. First and foremost, corner is my most significant concern. Terence Newman has been an injury waiting to happen the last few seasons, and behind Scandrick and Jenkins, the options are dismal. Next on my list of concerns is Safety. Ken Hamlin has been solid, but behind him is a whole lot of inexperience. Sensabaugh, has been solid in coverage, but not as good as advertised against the run, taking poor angles and not wrapping up on potential tackles (not to mention the two major penalties levied against him in the last two games). Behind him, once again, the options are pretty weak. Linebacker is actually the least of my concerns. Bobbie Carpenter has done quite a bit to regain some of my confidence thus far. Granted, when he is headlining the second and third string defense his production is pretty weak, but I think if he is surrounded by good players, he in turn will play well, as would be the case should an injury demand he step up.

Totally agree with everything above, I think like stephen mentioned at halftime, either by trade or pickup in waiver wire, the cowboys are scouring the wire for a linebacker and possibly some secondary help. I feel that they will try and get by with what they have till after the first game. Then, either they will resign Keith Davis due to injuries on the roster from the rookies, or sign someone like McQuarters or McAllister.

SPECIAL TEAMS

K - Nick Folk, David Buehler

P - Matt McBriar

LS - L.P. Ladouceur

I would have liked to have seen Buehler have more opportunities to kick field goals. I love the clutch performances Nick Folk has given us, but if David can be solid in this area, it would be nice to have an extra position to offer a corner, safety, linebacker, or even receiver if we would like to see a little more of Isaiah Stanback. The same goes for L.P. Ladouceur: Once again, he has been solid, but if Matt Stewart can perform the position, the additional linebacker/special teams contributor would be nice. On the other hand, unless the coaching staff is absolutely certain in regards to Buehler and Stewart taking over for Folk and Ladouceur, it certainly is not worth a gamble.


Again dont forget our 3rd string TE John Phillips, he handled snapping in training camp etc. I dont think the Cowboys will mess with L P this year, but after another year under his belt, the Cowboys might be able to trade L P next year for a draft pick, while Phillips does 2 jobs, TE duties, special teams and snapping.
IR

Robert Brewster - Torn pectorial muscle

Brandon Williams - Torn ACL

LEFTOVERS

Matt Stewart, Marcus Dixon, Jonas Seawright, Derreck Robinson, Keon Lattimore, Julius Crosslin, Asaph Schwapp, Rudy Carpenter, Manuel Johnson, Isaiah Stanback, Jesse Holley, Travis Bright, Ryan Gibbons, Cory Proctor, Greg Isdaner, Andre Douglas, Mike Jefferson, and Julian Hawkins.

The bolded players represent guys I would like to see make the practice squad. I would have bolded Stanback, but I don't think he is eligible.

CONCERNS

For all the emphasis placed on playing perfect, you would think we would see improvement in the penalty area. 3 preseason games down and the Cowboys are the most penalized team in the NFL. But it's not just the penalties that are bothering me, as much as, when they are happening. On the offense, their favorite time to a draw a penalty is to negate a 1st down or a score. The defense loves to commit penalties when the opposing offenses will have to punt or go for it on fourth down without the penalty that otherwise offers them a 1st down on a silver platter. The Cowboy's organization has also been telling us that they have focused on creating more turnover's via the secondary and thus far the Cowboy's only have 1. In defense of the defense, the Titan's and 49ers utilize ball control offenses, running the ball, working the flats and zone is predominantly how they move the ball limiting the number of opportunities to create turnovers via interception.

Positions of interest on the waiver wire in order of need.

Corner - Newman has been an injury waiting to happen the last two seasons. Behind Scandrick and Jenkins (and Jenkins is still not what I consider solid) the pickings are slim. Alan Ball, Courtney Brown and Mike Mickens are on the bubble, and were not for the lack of option's, Ball would likely be the only one considered worthy of a roster spot.

Safety - I know many think linebacker should be 1st and foremost if not, at least, second. But as I said above, I am much more comfortable with our second stringers at linebacker than I am at Safety.
Offensive Tackle - The position of this concern is debatable.

OT could even be considered a chief concern. But for all the penalties and mistakes, the QB's have actually had a pretty clean pocket throughout the first 3 games; though, they haven't exactly played defensive powerhouses either. We will know more about this offensive line once the regular season begins, playing our first two games against the Bucs and the Giants.

Linebacker - This probably wouldn't make my list, though, I know Wade will be keeping his eye's pealed for linebackers, because they are so crucial to the success of a 3-4. But ultimately, I've been moderately happy with the play from our 1st stringers down to our rookies.

ANALYSIS

Being the preseason, it's difficult to really gauge how much my confidence has changed prior to the season beginning. I knew the offense would be a match-up nightmare and could be much more balanced than they have been since Jason Garrett took over. I even said this team was built to dink and dunk; but I would have liked to see Romo take some more chances down field (minus that duck he threw intended forOgletree), to open the intermediate game up more, as the 49ers did have a tendency to sit on routes expecting the short game. I don't think using the go route to back a defense up, show's too much of your offenses hand.

On defense, the Cowboy's can be dominating. But I've noticed, the face of their intensity changes once a defender commits a series continuing penalty. It is as if they really want these younger players to feel the sting of their mistakes, by pretty much allowing the opposing offense to do what ever it want's from that point forward. I really don't believe that's the strategy; I'm just saying, that is what it seems like.

All in all, I feel pretty confident this team is capable of having a 10 and 6 win/loss ratio by season end. But the bigger question is if that's going to be enough in a very tough NFCE.

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Again super post, agree with mostly everything you posted.
 

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Again super post, agree with mostly everything you posted.


Thanks!!! I appreciate the vote of confidence...I don't get them often.
 

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McGee will be on the 53 man roster and inactive on game day all year unless Romo is injured. It's his redshirt year, forget about him.. he's a project.

Dallas won't be looking anywhere for safety help on the waiver wire. Watkins, who seems to have nine lives with this team, is a free safety, not strong safety.

If Dallas picks up a corner, it will be after week one, at this point, that's a big if..it all depends on Ball's concussion status.

If Preston has any kind of a sound game friday, Proctor is gone, that's long overdue.

bringing back Keith Davis would be a waste of time, he's a one position player(special teams) and at his age, you're just slowing progress of younger players. Don't tell me he's a back up for safety, he's not!!
 

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I especially agree with this section:


CONCERNS

For all the emphasis placed on playing perfect, you would think we would see improvement in the penalty area. 3 preseason games down and the Cowboys are the most penalized team in the NFL. But it's not just the penalties that are bothering me, as much as, when they are happening. On the offense, their favorite time to a draw a penalty is to negate a 1st down or a score. The defense loves to commit penalties when the opposing offenses will have to punt or go for it on fourth down without the penalty that otherwise offers them a 1st down on a silver platter. The Cowboy's organization has also been telling us that they have focused on creating more turnover's via the secondary and thus far the Cowboy's only have 1. In defense of the defense, the Titan's and 49ers utilize ball control offenses, running the ball, working the flats and zone is predominantly how they move the ball limiting the number of opportunities to create turnovers via interception.
 
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