Costa gets extension, per Eatman...***2yr 2.7mil Post #61***

[TheSport78]

If I judged our OL play primarily on message board chatter, I wouldn't agree with it either.

We're in the bottom third, though, by most reckonings, so it's still an obvious area for potential improvement.

No doubt. For the future, Tyron is the only current projected starter I have confidence in. We need to get 1, if not 2 starting OL in this draft.

 

[Idgit]

No doubt. For the future, Tyron is the only current projected starter I have confidence in. We need to get 1, if not 2 starting OL in this draft.

I'd agree with that. The second being the winner of a competition at RT, I'd assume?

 

[TheSport78]

I'd agree with that. The second being the winner of a competition at RT, I'd assume?

Honestly, I'd rather have a pay-cut ladened Free and Parnell fight it out for the RT spot in camp, and make serious upgrades on the interior OL through the draft. I get it that we're stuck with Livings for another year because of his re-structuring, so I think the OL in 2013 will be this:

LT Tyron Smith
LG Nate Livings
C Phil Costa or Bernadeau
RG Jonathan Cooper or Larry Warford
RT Jeremy Parnell

I love the idea of having two athletic tackles. Free used to be athletic earlier in his career and he used that to his advantage to make-up for his lack of strength/power, but now he has neither. At least Parnell has the athleticism and the upside...

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Rogers was all on BP who ignored the scouts who were skeptical of him. Even great coaches have their weaknesses.

BUT SOME keep quietly forgetting that Jerruh loved Henson and it was BP who managed to find a way to keep Romo...


for all the so called wisdom of Red Ball BP took over a team with a lot less talent and in 3 years had a solid playoff contending team.

Red Ball TOOK OVER a contending team and where is the improvement?

You do realize that Romo only made the team because Carter failed the drug test right? That's not the Bloated Tuna's genius, that's lady luck smiling upon an franchise.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's good to see you posting again, Stan. When you do your grades to grade plays pass fail or is there a scale?

 

[speedkilz88]

Why - he shines when going man-to-man against the big guys. Look at hiim against the Ravens this year or against Paul Solilai in 2011. What he struggles the most with is snapping the ball and then moving because he isn't a natural Center.

He also isn't really undersized for a Guard. He is 6-3 and 314 pounds. He set all kinds of records in Maryland weightlifting program. If you look at his Combine he has very good quickness for the position.

His problem has always been short arms and that gets exacerbated more at Center where he has to worry about snapping the ball all the way back to Romo and then getting his hands up to make a block.

I happen to think Costa is pretty unfairly maligned here. I just think he is probably a better OG than Center while Bernardeau appears to be better at Center than he is at Guard.

Pass protection is his weakness and playing center surrounded by bigger OGs is how they can get away with it.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

It's funny when people say Costa didn't really match up well with Ngata and then point to two bigger guys and two healthy guys and say he did it against them.

I guess there goes burma's argument he only did well against a weakened Ngata. SO much worse that he did it against a healthy Cody and Kemoteau. LOLZ.

They kept Costa for about the minimum they could. He gives them a guy who might be able to start and doesn't preclude them from signing anyone else or drafting anyone. Yet it ends up a 13 page thread. Amazing.

 

[Frosty]

The good OL'days

anyone remember the Costa I remember?

Tue Sep 27 12:35pm EDT
Video: Phil Costa and the terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad day

he Dallas Cowboys went to 2-1 by way of their 18-16 Monday night win over the Washington Commanders, but the fact that the Cowboys won is not the abiding memory most came away with. Besides the fact that it was a festival for field goals (Dallas never actually got in the end zone, and the Commanders scored just one touchdown), the visual most will remember of that game is the four botched snaps by Cowboys center Phil Costa. If you haven't seen them, here's the gag reel

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...-horrible-no-good-very-bad-day?urn=nfl,wp8088

My trust in Garrett and the Jones' fixing the OL issues have drastically declined... I saw it first hand in training camp...The COSTA experiment was a failure...he was lost then and proved it on the field.....

So i suppose Costa turned into superman after playing just how many games in 2012......riiiight.

UNCOMFORTABLE....yes Mr Jones you have made everyone UNCOMFORTABLE

 

[TheSport78]

It's funny when people say Costa didn't really match up well with Ngata and then point to two bigger guys and two healthy guys and say he did it against them.

I guess there goes burma's argument he only did well against a weakened Ngata. SO much worse that he did it against a healthy Cody and Kemoteau. LOLZ.

They kept Costa for about the minimum they could. He gives them a guy who might be able to start and doesn't preclude them from signing anyone else or drafting anyone. Yet it ends up a 13 page thread. Amazing.

It's also funny that people are still making excuses for Costa.

You say that signing Costa to about the minimum won't preclude them from signing someone else, but we both know that isn't going to happen, especially after Jerry essentially said he could see Costa as the long-term answer at center.

 

[Idgit]

It's also funny that people are still making excuses for Costa.

You say that signing Costa to about the minimum won't preclude them from signing someone else, but we both know that isn't going to happen, especially after Jerry essentially said he could see Costa as the long-term answer at center.

We don't know what they're going to do, but a modest extension to Costa's deal makes sense and is good for the team.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Remember all the Chicken Littles saying he was the reason our line was bad?

 

[Ratmatt]

Another payday for a mediocre player!

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Another payday for a mediocre player!

It's hardly even starter's money. Name another starting OL that isn't on a rookie contract that is making less money. Would be very hard to do I bet.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

It's good to see you posting again, Stan. When you do your grades to grade plays pass fail or is there a scale?

My current grading system is similar to academic grading in that it's a 0-4 scale. I rarely ever give 0s or 4s as those usually require a total whiff or blowing up the opponent. Getting blown up in pass protection is typically a 1 or "D" as it at least slows the opponent down but it may be a 0 on a run play.

I vary from a lot of grading system in that I weight games similar to an AP high school class. A player's first game gets .01 multiplier while their 16th gets .16. The rationale is that players should be more comfortable with the "system" as the season goes on. It rewards players who play well late in the season which in theory is when you want to be playing your best as the playoffs approach. The hole in weighting this way is that it punishes a player who misses a few games but at the same time, missing time should be punished.

I've been attempting to come up with a weighting system that accounts for snaps so that part time players are at a disadvantage over full time players but haven't developed a solution yet.

 

[burmafrd]

Remember all the Chicken Littles saying he was the reason our line was bad?

Just ONE of the reasons it stank in 2011. Probably the biggest though.

2012 Stank without his help.

But then some don't want to believe the line stank apparently

 

[Idgit]

It's hardly even starter's money. Name another starting OL that isn't on a rookie contract that is making less money. Would be very hard to do I bet.

We're only supposed to pay the great ones. And them, not too much.

 

[TheSport78]

We don't know what they're going to do, but a modest extension to Costa's deal makes sense and is good for the team.

I have absolutely no issue with Costa being the backup swing guy, but I think the team sees him as a starter. Based on what I've seen in his career thus far, I can't have confidence in the guy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My current grading system is similar to academic grading in that it's a 0-4 scale. I rarely ever give 0s or 4s as those usually require a total whiff or blowing up the opponent. Getting blown up in pass protection is typically a 1 or "D" as it at least slows the opponent down but it may be a 0 on a run play.

I vary from a lot of grading system in that I weight games similar to an AP high school class. A player's first game gets .01 multiplier while their 16th gets .16. The rationale is that players should be more comfortable with the "system" as the season goes on. It rewards players who play well late in the season which in theory is when you want to be playing your best as the playoffs approach. The hole in weighting this way is that it punishes a player who misses a few games but at the same time, missing time should be punished.

I've been attempting to come up with a weighting system that accounts for snaps so that part time players are at a disadvantage over full time players but haven't developed a solution yet.

Right on. I like that it makes it much more meaningful if a bit more subjective. Appreciate the insight.