Could our inconsistent offense be due to inconsistency in philosophies of the HC and OC?

[RustyBourneHorse]

Has it occurred to anyone else that part of the reason that we are inconsistent on offense could be due to inconsistency in the philosophies of the HC and OC? Mike McCarthy comes from the Walsh/Marty Schottenheimer trees. Kellen Moore comes from the Jason Garrett/Scott Linehan trees. Those two styles are very different. It's why HCs, unless there's owner interference, will typicality sack the previous coaches to bring in people that share his philosophy. How can there be consistency on offense if the HC and OC's philosophies are not consistent?

I know a lot on here bag on Dak. However, I think the best thing we can do in the meantime is sack Moore and try new ideas that more aptly fit Mike McCarthy's style. Doing this should help us be more consistent.

 

[shabazz]

The only option now is to get rid of the status quo when it comes to the offense.

it’s either feast or famine with them and scoring 1 TD in a divisional play-off game is unacceptable

 

[fivetwos]

Has it occurred to anyone else that part of the reason that we are inconsistent on offense could be due to inconsistency in the philosophies of the HC and OC? Mike McCarthy comes from the Walsh/Marty Schottenheimer trees. Kellen Moore comes from the Jason Garrett/Scott Linehan trees. Those two styles are very different. It's why HCs, unless there's owner interference, will typicality sack the previous coaches to bring in people that share his philosophy. How can there be consistency on offense if the HC and OC's philosophies are not consistent?

I know a lot on here bag on Dak. However, I think the best thing we can do in the meantime is sack Moore and try new ideas that more aptly fit Mike McCarthy's style. Doing this should help us be more consistent.

The thing I liked the most about the McCarthy hire was that Garrett was gone.

It’s actually as if he is still here.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

The thing I liked the most about the McCarthy hire was that Garrett was gone.

It’s actually as if he is still here.

Which comes from the OC. I understood why he might be inclined to keep Moore here at first to not rock the applecart too much. Especially since it was during a year where certain things happened in the world that would have prevented a full change. However, I'd have thought after last season of having a full offseason and season, that we'd have switched to a more consistent offense with Mike's approach. It's long past time now to rid ourselves of the Garrett approach, and start the Mike/WCO approach that we have needed.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

The only option now is to get rid of the status quo when it comes to the offense.

it’s either feast or famine with them and scoring 1 TD in a divisional play-off game is unacceptable

If by that you mean Jerry, that isn't happening lol. However, yes, Moore needs to be let go if for no other reason than to try to shift to a new system that fits Mike's style. This would offer more consistency, which would give us a new identity.

 

[J_Allen]

Mike has nothing to do with the offense. He has to sit back and watch Kellen go for wide on 4th and 1 and 5 wide on 2nd and 2 (in the redzone) and keep running these reverses that Net Zero yards and call for curl routes to get intercepted.

Big Mike's patience is commendable. I would have packed it up a long time ago if Jerry is forcing me to stick with this child.

 

[DFWJC]

Mccarthy says our current offense has very little in common with Garretts offense.
he said they used sone of the same nominclature to make the transition easier for Dak, but thats it

 

[KalEl]

Has it occurred to anyone else that part of the reason that we are inconsistent on offense could be due to inconsistency in the philosophies of the HC and OC? Mike McCarthy comes from the Walsh/Marty Schottenheimer trees. Kellen Moore comes from the Jason Garrett/Scott Linehan trees. Those two styles are very different. It's why HCs, unless there's owner interference, will typicality sack the previous coaches to bring in people that share his philosophy. How can there be consistency on offense if the HC and OC's philosophies are not consistent?

I know a lot on here bag on Dak. However, I think the best thing we can do in the meantime is sack Moore and try new ideas that more aptly fit Mike McCarthy's style. Doing this should help us be more consistent.

No thanks. MM got run out of GB because his offensive philosophy and scheme was bad. He's not Andy Reid.

 

[Aven8]

The thing I liked the most about the McCarthy hire was that Garrett was gone.

It’s actually as if he is still here.

That’s my biggest gripe. It’s not about Kellen at all. I don’t hate him like I did JG. I hate his offense. This isn’t what he ran at Boise. He was taught by Linny and than learned from JG. We’ve had this offense for like 15 years. It’s time to mix it up. Regardless of the rankings and production. Marinelli defenses always ranked high in stats as well but I got sick of looking at those as well.

 

[Aven8]

Mccarthy says our current offense has very little in common with Garretts offense.
he said they used sone of the same nominclature to make the transition easier for Dak, but thats it

He did say that and that’s bull. This is JG and Linny’s offense. Now Mike might have added some wrinkles but it’s the same offense

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

That’s my biggest gripe. It’s not about Kellen at all. I don’t hate him like I did JG. I hate his offense. This isn’t what he ran at Boise. He was taught by Linny and than learned from JG. We’ve had this offense for like 15 years. It’s time to mix it up. Regardless of the rankings and production. Marinelli defenses always ranked high in stats as well but I got sick of looking at those as well.

Exactly, and that's why I've been beating the McCoy drum and anyone else that's an OC from the Walsh tree. Heck, Greg Roman might be a good option too with us. We need ideas. A new OC, if done right, could have similar effects to Quinn on defence, and we need someone that fits Mike's background better.

 

[fivetwos]

No thanks. MM got run out of GB because his offensive philosophy and scheme was bad. He's not Andy Reid.

That may be true but I’m not fully convinced. Sometimes the voice just goes stale, along with some other things….

I’m much more bothered by the “low football IQ” comment. I do consider who said it, but there’s gotta be at least some truth to it.

Does it mean he can’t run a football team? Clearly not, Mike is doing well considering what he is up against, but will he ever be someone who gives us a clear advantage?

Really, the problem in Dallas for a very long while has been sub par coaching, but that’s all you get when the owner wants to constantly stick his nose in, in several ways.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

No thanks. MM got run out of GB because his offensive philosophy and scheme was bad. He's not Andy Reid.

I'm not saying that he's Andy Reid. What I am saying is that he has a different style to Moore, and that can cause friction.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

That may be true but I’m not fully convinced. Sometimes the voice just goes stale, along with some other things….

I’m much more bothered by the “low football IQ” comment. I do consider who said it, but there’s gotta be at least some truth to it.

Does it mean he can’t run a football team? Clearly not, Mike is doing well considering what he is up against, but will he ever be someone who gives us a clear advantage?

Really, the problem in Dallas for a very long while has been sub par coaching, but that’s all you get when the owner wants to constantly stick his nose in, in several ways.

Hence why Moore was allowed to stay past last season. This year, we need to change OCs. We need a new style and identity on offense.

 

[Mannix]

We will never totally overhaul and change our offense as long as we have a lazy Head Coach and dumb QB....yeah, and I really mean that. That, and this organization can never do ANYTHING on the fly.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

We will never totally overhaul and change our offense as long as we have a lazy Head Coach and dumb QB....yeah, and I really mean that. That, and this organization can never do ANYTHING on the fly.

I think we will have to, and I will counter that running the same offense for 15 years won't help. At least with a new OC, we get fresh ideas. Dak can feasibly be cut next year as a June 1st cut with how his contract is structured. So, what I'd do is hire McCoy or Greg Roman, draft a QB in rounds 2-3, and tell Dak to learn their style and excel, or you'll get replaced next year with someone who can learn it better.

 

[CATCH17]

My worry is that Dak is already indecisive in an offense he should be a master of..

You really want to change it? It could end in complete disaster…

 

[Aven8]

We will never totally overhaul and change our offense as long as we have a lazy Head Coach and dumb QB....yeah, and I really mean that. That, and this organization can never do ANYTHING on the fly.

Dak has a Masters degree….he’s fully capable of learning something new.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

My worry is that Dak is already indecisive in an offense he should be a master of..

You really want to change it? It could end in complete disaster…

Well, if it is, then we would have a higher draft pick to choose someone who can learn it better. So, there's that.

 

[fivetwos]

That’s my biggest gripe. It’s not about Kellen at all. I don’t hate him like I did JG. I hate his offense. This isn’t what he ran at Boise. He was taught by Linny and than learned from JG. We’ve had this offense for like 15 years. It’s time to mix it up. Regardless of the rankings and production. Marinelli defenses always ranked high in stats as well but I got sick of looking at those as well.

That’s Jerry wanting to keep control.

He didn’t want to get rid of Garrett, he just couldn’t get away with it yet again.

Keeping Moore was basically the same as keeping Garrett. What’s even more ridiculous is the excuse was that they didn’t want to disturb what they had going on offensively…..as if it was anything different then than you’re seeing now.