Could our inconsistent offense be due to inconsistency in philosophies of the HC and OC?

[RustyBourneHorse]

Dak has a Masters degree….he’s fully capable of learning something new.

Yup, and it's time that he does learn a new offense. We are as stale as bread that's been left out for a few days before it becomes moldy. We need to freshen our offense.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

That’s Jerry wanting to keep control.

He didn’t want to get rid of Garrett, he just couldn’t get away with it yet again.

Keeping Moore was basically the same as keeping Garrett. What’s even more ridiculous is the excuse was that they didn’t want to disturb what they had going on offensively…..as if it was anything different then than you’re seeing now.

To be fair, there was a world event that rendered changing the offense that year ill-advised. However, the change should have happened last offseason. But, it didn't, and it needs to happen this year.

 

[Aven8]

That’s Jerry wanting to keep control.

He didn’t want to get rid of Garrett, he just couldn’t get away with it yet again.

Keeping Moore was basically the same as keeping Garrett. What’s even more ridiculous is the excuse was that they didn’t want to disturb what they had going on offensively…..as if it was anything different then than you’re seeing now.

I actually got it that first season. That was Covid year and they barely even got to meet. I wasn’t happy about him not bringing in the offense though. It was Jerry as Mike said he would call plays and than switched.

If you go back and read the interview from Jay Glazer he said they wanted a defensive HC and were going to keep the offense. That tells you he was going to be forced on anyone.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I actually got it that first season. That was Covid year and they barely even got to meet. I wasn’t happy about him not bringing in the offense though. It was Jerry as Mike said he would call plays and than switched.

If you go back and read the interview from Jay Glazer he said they wanted a defensive HC and were going to keep the offense. That tells you he was going to be forced on anyone.

Also explains why Quinn is still here. He's defencive-minded and is being groomed for HC. We still need a top OC, and Moore is not that.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Has it occurred to anyone else that part of the reason that we are inconsistent on offense could be due to inconsistency in the philosophies of the HC and OC? Mike McCarthy comes from the Walsh/Marty Schottenheimer trees. Kellen Moore comes from the Jason Garrett/Scott Linehan trees. Those two styles are very different. It's why HCs, unless there's owner interference, will typicality sack the previous coaches to bring in people that share his philosophy. How can there be consistency on offense if the HC and OC's philosophies are not consistent?

I know a lot on here bag on Dak. However, I think the best thing we can do in the meantime is sack Moore and try new ideas that more aptly fit Mike McCarthy's style. Doing this should help us be more consistent.

That 'offensive philosophy' appeared OK vrs Eagles and Bucc's....the reason is more akin to everything going well in these games (well apart from early on), and Dak was in control. In adversity, in Dak we don't trust.

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

I have been saying we need to get rid of the garret stink and go outside the organization for a change

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I have been saying we need to get rid of the garret stink and go outside the organization for a change

I couldn't agree more, and there are good options available for us. We can hire McCoy as it'd be an upwards move and, as such per the NFL rules, a legal hire. We can also choose Greg Roman. There are options available. We need something fresh.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Additionally, it doesn't help that the 49ers made it crystal clear days before the game that they knew what we were going to do. Here's a team with arguably one of the top 3 defences in the league literally saying that they know our offense. I think it was Deebo Samuel, a WR, saying that we run a "simplistic offense". That was a clue that they were all aware what we had in store for them. When that's made clear, either the OC needs to change his style, or we need a new OC after we lose. Clearly, Moore didn't understand that they were talking to him. They were telling him that they knew what was coming. Want to know why 12 points were scored? The 49ers were in our huddle basically because they knew our offense.

 

[Captain-Crash]

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I'm sorry, do you think it's only possible to do one thing only a year? I never said in this a new QB wasn't needed. If there's a QB to draft to ready for either next year (as Dak can be a June 1 cut in 2024) or 2025. But, in the meantime, we do also need a new OC so that we can stop running the same offense we've been running for a long time. The 49ers knew what was coming before the game and made it clear. We can have BOTH a new OC AND QB. Either is not mutually exclusive of the other. You can do both.

 

[Captain-Crash]

I'm sorry, do you think it's only possible to do one thing only a year? I never said in this a new QB wasn't needed. If there's a QB to draft to ready for either next year (as Dak can be a June 1 cut in 2024) or 2025. But, in the meantime, we do also need a new OC so that we can stop running the same offense we've been running for a long time. The 49ers knew what was coming before the game and made it clear. We can have BOTH a new OC AND QB. Either is not mutually exclusive of the other. You can do both.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Before you say Cooper Rush, I doubt we'd have made the playoffs had Rush started the whole season. Also, other teams are smart. They can figure out a team and style. They can figure out Rush. What I'm suggesting is change the OC so that we can essentially have a private huddle like most other teams have. The 49ers couldn't have made it more clear before the game that they knew what we were going to do. If we have Moore with a young QB, that QB is going to be set up to fail. I'm suggesting that we have BOTH a new OC and QB. So facepalm yourself.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Before you say Cooper Rush, I doubt we'd have made the playoffs had Rush started the whole season. Also, other teams are smart. They can figure out a team and style. They can figure out Rush. What I'm suggesting is change the OC so that we can essentially have a private huddle like most other teams have. The 49ers couldn't have made it more clear before the game that they knew what we were going to do. If we have Moore with a young QB, that QB is going to be set up to fail. I'm suggesting that we have BOTH a new OC and QB. So facepalm yourself.

Moore sucked so badly that he did nothing for Cooper Rush. Cooper is just that good and beat better teams than pea brain dak. Yep, that is what happened. I believe that.

 

[fivetwos]

My worry is that Dak is already indecisive in an offense he should be a master of..

You really want to change it? It could end in complete disaster…

That thought crossed my mind. It’s a valid point, but there’s not much choice.

A big part of change is having him do less than they are now, so it could conceivably work out.

What concerns me most about him…while he was never the most accurate passer, he seems to be getting worse in that regard. Maybe it’s just me because that almost seems impossible.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Moore sucked so badly that he did nothing for Cooper Rush. Cooper is just that good and beat better teams than pea brain dak. Yep, that is what happened. I believe that.

I'm sorry, when did I say that Dak did well? And do you honestly think that Rush would have been different against SFO? I don't think so. Why? Because the 49ers made it clear that they knew what was coming. I do think Rush is a solid QB, a point I made clear when he was starting. My point is that a new OC is needed because teams understand our offense, and I think a new style would be good.

 

[CATCH17]

That thought crossed my mind. It’s a valid point, but there’s not much choice.

A big part of change is having him do less than they are now, so it could conceivably work out.

What concerns me most about him…while he was never the most accurate passer, he seems to be getting worse in that regard. Maybe it’s just me because that almost seems impossible.

I like what Sean McVay does.. I think it’s simple and hard to defend.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

That thought crossed my mind. It’s a valid point, but there’s not much choice.

A big part of change is having him do less than they are now, so it could conceivably work out.

What concerns me most about him…while he was never the most accurate passer, he seems to be getting worse in that regard. Maybe it’s just me because that almost seems impossible.

Well, like I said, no worries if he regresses further because we can draft a QB this year or next year with the knowledge that we can move on from Dak as soon as 1 June, 2024.

 

[Captain-Crash]

That thought crossed my mind. It’s a valid point, but there’s not much choice.

A big part of change is having him do less than they are now, so it could conceivably work out.

What concerns me most about him…while he was never the most accurate passer, he seems to be getting worse in that regard. Maybe it’s just me because that almost seems impossible.

After he watched Rush, he said the game was so easy. Then he went back to pea brain dak. yep, he can change. He wants to be the hero with not enough talent.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I like what Sean McVay does.. I think it’s simple and hard to defend.

And it's a style that Moore doesn't understand.

 

[Creeper]

The offense has been good enough most of the year. It struggled late when the running game died. I think losing Steele had a lot to do with that. Losing Pollard in the 2nd quarter of the SF game killed the rushing attack completely. Some might argue they should have given Malik Davis some carries but he is not Tony Pollard. I can forgive Moore for not trusting Davis in hat situation.

Ultimately what came back to bite the Cowboys is they did not have a comparable WRs for Cooper after they traded him. We saw it all year. We started Denis Houston the first few games. Then had to rely on Noah Brown who had a good year but also made some big mistakes. When they go they just did not have enough playmakers on the field. Argue all you want about the OC and HC but at the end of the day it is the GM's responsibility to make sure there are enough weapons on offense to challenge the better defenses.

I had not issue trading Cooper. But if you are going to cut loose your best WR, then you have to do better than James Washington who played 2 games and was cut.