Could somebody please tell me how much Cap Cabbage we have left?

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texastwister said:
The Cowboys have a little more than $11 million in salary-cap room. The 2006 cap numbers for the six players signed – guard Kyle Kosier, linebacker Akin Ayodele, tight end Ryan Hannam, guard Andre Gurode, Owens and Fabini – equal $12.4 million.

I don't know the details of Fabini's contract, but from what I've been able to glean, 12.4 mil sounds a little on the low side:

TO will count 6.67 million this year...

Gurode will count 1.5 million this year...

Hannam will count a little under 1 mil...

Kosier and Ayodele will count 1.5-1.6 million... I forget which one will be 1.6, which one will be 1.5... so, besides Fabini, that's 12.2 million in cap commitment... I'm guesstimating that Fabini will be in that 1.5 million range, but wouldn't be surprised if it was as much as 2.0 mil...

That would mean the Boys have committed to 13.7-14.2 million in cap hit in 2006 thus far, not 12.4 mil...

We also know from Adam that the Boys started out 22.6 million under the cap, and I read media reports that cutting Keyshawn gave us another 1.5 million... that brings us up to 24.1 million... this would mean the Boys are between 9.9 million and 10.4 million under the cap after the signings to date...

Then, we should remember that the Boys need to pay their draft picks and fund a practice squad with some of that money... a conservative estimate would be 3.5 million to get that job done... now we're looking at 6.4 and 6.9 million in available cap room...

After that, some thought should be given to Jerry's stated plan to use some of his cap room to sign young veterans who are looking at free agency next year to contract extensions, the most notable being Jason Witten... I'm purely guessing here, but I figure Jerry's probably earmarked 3-5 million for that... that oughta get a coupla players inked to extensions... and that brings us down to 1.4-3.9 million under the cap...

HOWEVER, we also need to remember that the Boys are gonna do something with Larry Allen's contract, either cut him or renegotiate his deal... I have no idea what kind of money they can free up that way, you'd need Adam to give you a take on that... but I'd say, off the cuff, that the Boys might have 4-6 million to spend in the free agent market... that could get them 3 players of the caliber of Ayodele, Hannam and Kosier... or 2 players, if they choose to splurge a little on a kicker like Vinatieri or Vanderjagt (Josh Brown's cost would probably be more in the Ayodele/Hannam/Kosier range)...

And y'know, if those two players were Vinatieri and a decent free safety, I'd be content with that offseason haul... there's also the possibility that the Boys have more wiggle room available to them in the form or renegotiating some other veteran or veterans' contracts... I haven't heard about any such options, but that doesn't mean they're not out there...

One thing this likely means is that you won't be seeing Keyshawn Johnson or Eric Moulds in Dallas this coming season... any further upgrades to the WR corps will probably come in the draft...

As near as I can figure it, I've covered all the bases, and in the process, left things just as murky as when I started, LOL... I'm looking forward to hearing from somebody who knows a LOT more about all this than I do, AdamJT13... I'm sure he'll offer us his take before too much longer...
 

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wow, 11 mil,
-2.5 for a kicker
-3 for rookie class
+2 or 3 if we cut or restructure LA
We still have 7 mil for a LB like Peterson or Arrington if we want
AND we still have room to pay some of our stars to resign and mitigate their cap hits in the future by frontloading their contracts and locking them up to longterm deals, which would be a da** fine idea for guys like TNew, James, Roy, and Witten.
 

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ghst187 said:
wow, 11 mil,
-2.5 for a kicker
-3 for rookie class
+2 or 3 if we cut or restructure LA
We still have 7 mil for a LB like Peterson or Arrington if we want

Not if we want a good kicker and a decent FS, we don't...

That's OK, I wouldn't piss on Arrington if he was on fire, and he'd be a TERRIBLE fit in our defense, and I wouldn't pay that kind of money to a linebacker coming off of a torn Achilles tendon... I still remember what that did to Kevin Smith's promising career...

Your basic point is sound, though, the Boys still have some room to get a few things done...
 

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silverbear said:
Not if we want a good kicker and a decent FS, we don't...

That's OK, I wouldn't piss on Arrington if he was on fire, and he'd be a TERRIBLE fit in our defense, and I wouldn't pay that kind of money to a linebacker coming off of a torn Achilles tendon... I still remember what that did to Kevin Smith's promising career...

Your basic point is sound, though, the Boys still have some room to get a few things done...


Additional space could be gotten from a Singleton release also. Not that I'm advocating that. But I think if we bring in another OLB I think he'll probably be gone.
 

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MichaelWinicki said:
Additional space could be gotten from a Singleton release also. Not that I'm advocating that. But I think if we bring in another OLB I think he'll probably be gone.

I agree..I think we draft that OLB but I could be wrong..I somehow doubt we sign Lavar or Julian..either way Al may be a goner at I think 2.7 million.
 

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SilverBear, your very close to cap figure, only thing, add in another 1 million, we saved 2.5 for cutting keyshawn. That would give us 10.9 to 11.9.

Next, not sure if your aware or not, but they are redoing Terry Glenn's contract, that should save us another 1-2 million I am thinking. That should put us around 12.9 to 14.

Now, take off 2.8 for NFL draft, since the cowboys arent drafting high, alittle lower cap for draft expense. That should leave us back at 11 to 12 million. Then, remember Parcells likes to have about 5.6 to 6.8 left going into season, that should leave us about 4-6 million to spend on free agency before draft.

Then add in what Norm Hitches, not sure how to spell his name but he is on theticket.com and he is pretty right on cowboy items, about 88% of time.
He stated that the Cowboys were going to sign TO, Fabini, a kicker, the TE we got, Marcus Robinson (which I have heard, not verified but Marcus Robinson is coming in Monday), and he also stated that we are going to cut Larry Allen.

I am thinking they are going to do Larry Allen like Keyshawn, that would save us I have heard 4.5 million cap hit. Let Allen hit market, find out, its not much out there in money, at least not a 7.5 money this year, unless he wants to restructure. I was hoping they would restructure his deal like Will Shields OG for the chiefs, they did a 4 year restructure deal on him. And also remember the Steelers restructured Hastings center deal too. So maybe they can do that, then have money to go get Ventari or Josh Brown (Brown has upside, great kickoff guy, and can kick long field goals-like one he hit 55 yarder against us). Also maybe go get Julius Peterson from 49ers, heard we are looking at him, but only a lower contract. That would give us dominance in team along with draft.

Finally, Norm said that in 1st day draft, we are going to sign OT, WR & OLB/DE in this upcoming draft, which mention of Manny Lawson as guy they really like. I think they possibly could trade down from 18th to 2oth to 24th, still maybe get Lawson or Bobby Carpenter, and pick up an additional 2nd or 3rd round pick.
 

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I was figuring my 7-8 mill figure without anything being done to LA. Did not realize that we gained that much from cutting key. I thought it was only about 1 million. My bad. So if the signings so far total up to 12.4 million; we started with 22.9 but got Keys 2.5 so we had 25.4; so right now we have 13 million left not counting the rookie pool- which say 3 mill goes to. So that takes us down to 10. We have to sign a kicker and probably will sign someone else. SO figure after all that - my thought is 7 million left. BP and JJ like to keep 2-4 million left during the season. So there would be enough left to use to re sign one of our guys like Witten this year for along term deal. I would do Witten this year and Roy next year.
 

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MichaelWinicki said:
Additional space could be gotten from a Singleton release also. Not that I'm advocating that. But I think if we bring in another OLB I think he'll probably be gone.

There might be any number of moves available to the Boys that I'm not aware of, but y'know, I don't want them going hog-wild with renegotiations a la the Skins... that only buys you cap trouble down the road... a few judicious signings, cool, but we're getting pretty close to having about as good a free agency for plugging holes as any fan can reasonably expect in one offseason...
 

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SilverBear, your very close to cap figure, only thing, add in another 1 million, we saved 2.5 for cutting keyshawn. That would give us 10.9 to 11.9.

I would have sworn I read they saved a million five, but I'm not willing to stake my life on it...

Next, not sure if your aware or not, but they are redoing Terry Glenn's contract, that should save us another 1-2 million I am thinking. That should put us around 12.9 to 14.

No, I hadn't heard that at all... I don't want to sound like I disbelieve you, I have no reason to doubt you, but would you be able to point me to a link that talks about that??

Now, take off 2.8 for NFL draft, since the cowboys arent drafting high, alittle lower cap for draft expense.

I think that estimate is probably right low... and of course, they'll need to fund a practice squad of 8 players as well...

Then add in what Norm Hitches, not sure how to spell his name

Since you ask, it's Hitzges... if you hadn't asked, I wouldn't have corrected you, no need to be anal about things like that and I knew who you were talking about...

He stated that the Cowboys were going to sign TO, Fabini, a kicker, the TE we got, Marcus Robinson (which I have heard, not verified but Marcus Robinson is coming in Monday), and he also stated that we are going to cut Larry Allen.

You mean Marcus Coleman there, bud...

I am thinking they are going to do Larry Allen like Keyshawn, that would save us I have heard 4.5 million cap hit.

Oooh, with the amount of signing bonus left on his last deal, I wouldn't have guessed they could clear that much...

I'd like to have him back, too...

Finally, Norm said that in 1st day draft, we are going to sign OT, WR & OLB/DE in this upcoming draft,

I think FS will be a high priority too, which is why I'm growing increasingly convinced that Jerry wants to trade down to later in the first round, and try to pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd... it's hard to fill 4 pressing needs with 3 high draft picks...

which mention of Manny Lawson as guy they really like.

I think Norm's guessing there, I rather doubt that he's privvy to the internal debates at Valley Ranch... which is OK, in his job guessing is what he's supposed to do...

I think they possibly could trade down from 18th to 2oth to 24th, still maybe get Lawson or Bobby Carpenter, and pick up an additional 2nd or 3rd round pick.

We're on the same wavelength there... and personally, though I know Lawson is a fine talent, I think Carpenter would be a better fit for the Boys, a better prospect to line up on the other side from Ware... Lawson and Ware are more or less the same kind of player...
 

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You need to account for the rule of 51 when calculating the available space.

While your numbers seem correct in terms of what the players count towards the cap you need to remove a player from the rule of 51.

So while Kosier's cap hit on it's own is 1.5 due to the rule of 51 it only reduces our cap by about 1.25, and that is something that needs to be accounted for in order to get completely accurate numbers.
 

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cant we just say we have enough for a veteran Kicker (any of em), all of our draft picks and then still have room to spend on another veteran OLB/FS or Re-sign our future players. plus we definately have more cap space than atlesat 25 other teams in the NFL, if not more.
 
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