Counter Point to "Spagnola: Let’s Not Assume Drafting A QB At No. 4 Is The Elixir To 4-12"

[StarBoyz83]

Only trade I consider is the niners. Anything past 10 he won't be there. Giants need an impact player and he won't pass them.

Giants will take Zeke or treadwell if one of them 2 is there I agree.

 

[Stash]

Is Todd Gurley worth a top 5.

Gurley went 10th overall.

 

[Zekeats]

You could pay for the top free agent RB and only come out paying a little more than what the #4 pick costs.....and guess what, this player would have actually played in the NFL.

There is absolutely no value in taking a RB Top 5 unless he's more or less dominate for a decade.

Same could be said for any position in the NFL and Lamar Miller is not Zeke.

 

[Hoofbite]

Is Todd Gurley worth a top 5.

After 1 year? No.

More so then that, if the options are Todd Gurley or a player like Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald, Ezekiel Ansah, Von Miller, or another pass rusher who can get you 12 to 14 sacks then the answer is blatantly obvious. It's easy to pick and choose to players to make a case, isn't it?

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

After 1 year? No.

More so then that, if the options are Todd Gurley or a player like Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald, Ezekiel Ansah, Von Miller, or another pass rusher who can get you 12 to 14 sacks then the answer is blatantly obvious. It's easy to pick and choose to players to make a case, isn't it?

Isn't it.

Elliot is closer to Gurley than Bosa is to Miller.

 

[Hoofbite]

Same could be said for any position in the NFL and Lamar Miller is not Zeke.

No, the same could not be said for any position. You don't have to score a JJ Watt or DeMarcus Ware to make a top pick be worthwhile along the DL. You damn near have to get Adrian Peterson to make a top RB pick pay off. What each position costs on the open market, and how much production you would expect to give up by taking the best available option a round later are both considerably less for the RB. You can more easily purchase the production you have passed on at the RB position.

Lamar Miller (and I probably wouldn't even go after him) doesn't have to be Zeke. He can be less and it doesn't change a thing because there's absolutely nothing that says the difference in production that you get from Miller vs Zeke would actually mean anything in terms of wins and losses.

 

[Hoofbite]

Isn't it.

Elliot is closer to Gurley than Bosa is to Miller.

Thankfully (I guess) the team has enough needs that they don't need to take any specific position. DL, LB, or DB, they can take whichever. This isn't a Bosa versus Elliot decision. It's an Elliot versus everyone else minus 3 players and potentially OL decision.

 

[Craig]

If gurley is the benchmark, they can definitely meet it by using free agency. Its not worth using such a high pick to get "close to gurley".

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

If it's all about value. Who is the safest pick?

 

[Echo9]

On your draft board, yes.

Fair enough. Who would you compare the top QBs in this draft to? As a realistic ceiling?

 

[TheCount]

Mickey's entire argument is BS because last year, when all the backups were terrible, he was the one that ran through the entire league's starting QB's and noted they were all early picks and that it wasn't worth drafting a QB late because they never become anything.

Then last week, he talked out of the other side of his mouth and ran through all the first round QB's drafted in the last however many years and said that there was more misses than hits. Completely failing to note that outside of guards, that's pretty much always the case.

This is also the guy that says no one in FA is worth a damn, or they wouldn't be FA's.

So if you can't draft a QB early, can't draft one late and can't sign one in FA, where the hell are you supposed to find a QB?

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Fair enough. Who would you compare the top QBs in this draft to? As a realistic ceiling?

Don't know. I'm not an expert in making those comparisons.

 

[JW82]

The fact that Spaz would even write this article shows how clueless he is.

 

[Echo9]

Don't know. I'm not an expert in making those comparisons.

You don't need to be an expert to have an opinion. I'm proof of that. My opinion is that this year's QB class is relatively weak and the idea of taking a QB because we have a high pick and will have a future need at QB is faulty if the options available are not good. My best comparison is when Alex Smith went 1st overall. Its seemed like everyone knew he was going to be mediocre, by the niners felt pressure to take him anyway and wasted that pick.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm a big Romo fan but this is not the Dallas Romo's it is the Dallas Cowboys meaning they need to address their own future not that of any single player. Dallas is going to have several picks outside of the #4 and they have FA to fill holes this team needs to fill but this should not be about Romo window or any players window it should be about the overall good of the franchise. Getting a QB now and preparing for life after Romo

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

You don't need to be an expert to have an opinion. I'm proof of that. My opinion is that this year's QB class is relatively weak and the idea of taking a QB because we have a high pick and will have a future need at QB is faulty if the options available are not good. My best comparison is when Alex Smith went 1st overall. Its seemed like everyone knew he was going to be mediocre, by the niners felt pressure to take him anyway and wasted that pick.

I use Ourlads. Wentz is #6 on their board, and Goff #10.

 

[Aven8]

Mickey's entire argument is BS because last year, when all the backups were terrible, he was the one that ran through the entire league's starting QB's and noted they were all early picks and that it wasn't worth drafting a QB late because they never become anything.

Then last week, he talked out of the other side of his mouth and ran through all the first round QB's drafted in the last however many years and said that there was more misses than hits. Completely failing to note that outside of guards, that's pretty much always the case.

This is also the guy that says no one in FA is worth a damn, or they wouldn't be FA's.

So if you can't draft a QB early, can't draft one late and can't sign one in FA, where the hell are you supposed to find a QB?

Canada?

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

The fact that Spaz would even write this article shows how clueless he is.

The fact he wrote it means he is towing the company line and reaffirmed that the probability of selecting a QB in the top 4, just decreased again.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

The fact he wrote it means he is towing the company line and reaffirmed that the probability of selecting a QB in the top 4, just decreased again.

Pretty sure Spags hasn't seen the CBoys draft board or who they prefer at the top of it.

 

[TX Cowboy]

Spaznola is as clueless as they come I swear! the best teams and franchises in the NFL remain competitive
because of 1 reason? Front office management that along with the coaching staff. Ensure that, as players
are lost to free agency and the draft, there is freshly stocked talent waiting in the wings. Not every guy who
comes in as an immediate diamond! Some can be, Most are wet behind the ears players who will never be
what the coaches thought, However they get their time and their chance! So by us going after a QB at #4
we're not trying to ensure 5-11 we're trying to ensure the titanic doesn't totally sink into the depths never
to be recovered