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Cowboy history: Biggest waste of talent (self inflicted)

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by OmerV, Jul 1, 2022.

  1. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    AFLAC!!!
     
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  2. TwentyOne

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  3. Red Dragon

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    I am one of those who thought Carter a good QB, and that's because I became a fan of the Cowboys in 1999. (Too young to know anything earlier.) Never saw Aikman in his prime, never saw a Cowboys team better than 8-8 until Carter's second season. In fact, to this day, I've never seen Dallas advance beyond the divisional round, or win a road playoff game, in my life.

    To me, Quincy was "good," and Romo in 2006-2014 might as well have been Joe Montana.
     
  4. Floatyworm

    Floatyworm The Labeled One

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    Think you can add.....

    Taco Charlton
    LVE
    Byron Jones
    Dez
    Jaylon

    Afraid they are gonna mess up Parsons too...he was great getting after the QB...wasted him the last month of last year....playing LBer.
     
  5. kskboys

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    Hey, I forgot about that!!! My nickname for Carter was Quincy the Duck!!!!!! I have never seen an NFL QB throw that many ducks!!!!!!
     
  6. kskboys

    kskboys Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, and we already covered that.

    Quincy had a horrible comp %, a terrible TD/INT ratio(17-22), very low yardage totals(3,301), and was drug to the playoffs by the #1 D in the NFL. He was an absolutely awful passer. Strong arm, but not a good one.
     
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  8. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    ABC was what we called him. Anyone But Carter.
     
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  9. terra

    terra Well-Known Member

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    Anyone who thinks Q was a good QB is someone that probably thought Jeff George, Jumongus Russell, and Ryan Leaf were sure Hall of Famers.
     
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  10. nate dizzle

    nate dizzle Well-Known Member

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    He put his hat on backwards and derailed his career.
     
  11. nate dizzle

    nate dizzle Well-Known Member

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    Kevin Smith is someone I think was on their way to having a great career if he hadn't blown out his achilles.
     
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  12. eromeopolk

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    It is hard to say Harvey Martin, Duane Thomas, Hollywood Henderson, and Lance Rentzel were waste of talent when they all have Super Bowl rings, started for the Cowboys, some were All Rookie, All Pro, Pro Bowlers, and NFL Defensive Players of the Year (Martin).

    Basically from 1994-present was a waste of talent by Jerry Dumbo GM Jones and Stephen Executed VP Jones. Leave the real Dallas Cowboys out of the wasted talent discussion and stick with the Arlington Jonesboys era.
     
  13. Tractor1

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    Not sure Irvin had a drug problem, but he had girl problem where drugs became an issue.
     
  14. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    If drugs become an issue you have a problem.
     
  15. OmerV

    OmerV Well-Known Member

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    How are Martin's 11 years "far longer" than Bruce Smith's 19 years and Deacon Jones 13 years?

    I understand he had those great sack seasons. That's why I say he could have been considered among the elite pass rushers ever had he stayed at that level longer. He did not maintain the consistency over time the way Bruce Smith and Deacon Jones did. Bruce Smith, for example, had 13 double digit sack seasons.

    As for declining real fast, he had 8.5 sacks in 9 games in 1982 and in his last year of 1983 he had 2 sacks in 16 games. How would that not be a rapid decline?

    As for his drug problems contributing to his demise as a player, Martin retired because he refused to take a mandated drug test, and he subsequently admitted his cocaine addiction.

    As for Michael Irvin, I wouldn't say he would have been thought of in the same vein as Jerry Rice. I feel Martin could have been thought of in the same vein as other elite pass rushers. But that's my opinion If you have a different opinion, so be it. But one thing to note is Michael didn't retire because of drug problems, he got injured.
     
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  16. OmerV

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    I agree. There were a few games that Irving dominated like he was one of the elite players in history. If he could have kept his head together and at least played close to that level he would have been great.
     
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  17. OmerV

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    I don't disagree. Mrtin at least had a great career, even if not as great as it could have been. Some of the others stopped short of ever reaching their peak potential at all.
     
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  18. OmerV

    OmerV Well-Known Member

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    In part, but it also speaks to their priorities.
     
  19. OmerV

    OmerV Well-Known Member

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    "Waste" may not be the right word, because you are right that they all got some great results. But all fell short of the careers they could have had, some well short. Martin is the only one of that group that at least had something close to the career he could have.
     
  20. CWR

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    100%, it's certainly not a performance enhancer, and in a sport where you can be shot up and then pop an oxy to dull the pain their take on marijuana is absurd. Ask Bret Farve...
     
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