Cowboys 9x All-Pro predicted to cut ties with Dallas, join Bears

[McKDaddy]

They are also the ones that put people in the HOF where Martin will be five years after his retirement
But then you claim to know more about this than they do which is the height of arrogance
live in the real world where your opinion is worth nothing.

I & my opinion are living in the real world. The world of facts validating me. No amount of deflection will change that.

Yes, they also rank players for the draft, rank teams during the season & even used to vote who was the national champion. Yeah, they've never been wrong so feel free to cling to them.

 

[gtb1943]

I & my opinion are living in the real world. The world of facts validating me. No amount of deflection will change that.

Yes, they also rank players for the draft, rank teams during the season & even used to vote who was the national champion. Yeah, they've never been wrong so feel free to cling to them.

Wow the ego that ate Jupiter

 

[xwalker]

Cowboys 9x All-Pro predicted to cut ties with Dallas, join Bears
K.D. Drummond
November 12, 2024

A surefire Hall of Famer, Martin has spent his entire career in Dallas, but he’s going to hit unrestricted free agency in March; and that’s if he doesn’t retire. Martin’s hinted at it, but that could be a level of frustration with having spent two years in Mike Solari’s failed blocking system. A fresh start could be intriguing and that’s where the latest bold prediction comes in.

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...-spots-bears-chargers/?itm_source=parsely-api

He'll likely retire. His performance this season and last has been below NFL average. No big payday from another team.

 

[gimmesix]

Don't know how many times we have to go thru all this. I did not say he was finished three years ago. I said he was clearly declining & that he was not truly an All Pro. All Pro, by definition, means that you are the best player in the league at the position. Not above average, not "one of" the best but THE best. Other players were more deserving of the honor the last few years.

I've been correct the entire time. Most of the world is just now cluing in.

Not in 2022. He was still one of the top three guards in the NFL. PFF (for what that is worth) has him with a 93.4 overall grade for 2022, Only one guard was better. Were there signs then that he was coming off that level? He did get his ankle rolled in October, so maybe there were some. Last year, there were certainly some issues, but up until then even if he had declined some, he still was among the best at his position ... so I wouldn't say others were more deserving the last few years, just last year.

 

[McKDaddy]

Not in 2022. He was still one of the top three guards in the NFL. PFF (for what that is worth) has him with a 93.4 overall grade for 2022, Only one guard was better. Were there signs then that he was coming off that level? He did get his ankle rolled in October, so maybe there were some. Last year, there were certainly some issues, but up until then even if he had declined some, he still was among the best at his position ... so I wouldn't say others were more deserving the last few years, just last year.

It's hard to keep the particulars of each year separate without going back & looking at film. There was a year where all the top RG's struggled with injuries, age & there was no clear winner. I would argue that is a case where none of them really played up to the All Pro level but someone had to get the recognition.

There are far too many times over the last several years where I would watch his work against a common opponent vs the week before or week after we played them and the no name RG on the other team created more lanes, held up better in pass pro. Yet, he would get graded fantastically.

 

[RonWashington]

Bass . 3-6 teams need to get younger .

 

[McKDaddy]

Wow the ego that ate Jupiter

Again, you use the wrong words. I am simply refusing to let anyone take away or minimize my correct evaluation. That has nothing to do with ego.

I took the position publicly when it wasn't popular & took the shots from others for doing so. Fairness demands that I get my dues now that I've been validated.

 

[gtb1943]

It's hard to keep the particulars of each year separate without going back & looking at film. There was a year where all the top RG's struggled with injuries, age & there was no clear winner. I would argue that is a case where none of them really played up to the All Pro level but someone had to get the recognition.

There are far too many times over the last several years where I would watch his work against a common opponent vs the week before or week after we played them and the no name RG on the other team created more lanes, held up better in pass pro. Yet, he would get graded fantastically.

You saw what you wanted to see
such a joke

 

[gtb1943]

Again, you use the wrong words. I am simply refusing to let anyone take away or minimize my correct evaluation. That has nothing to do with ego.

I took the position publicly when it wasn't popular & took the shots from others for doing so. Fairness demands that I get my dues now that I've been validated.

correct evaluation that no one else with any cred agreed with
Like I said Ego that ATE JUPITER

 

[KJJ]

More like the Cowboys cutting ties with Zack.

 

[McKDaddy]

You saw what you wanted to see
such a joke

You got me. In years 6 & later it's unprecedented to see an interior offensive lineman show signs of decline.

Your resistance to let this go is what is truly funny.

 

[McKDaddy]

correct evaluation that no one else with any cred agreed with
Like I said Ego that ATE JUPITER

The cred is that his play has declined, he's limping toward retirement & everyone has now acknowledged it.

The film can be your friend. Of course you have to have some clue what you are seeing.

 

[McKDaddy]

You saw what you wanted to see
such a joke

I'll tell you what I didn't see. A running game that had any semblance of consistency or being able to convert short yardage. How could that be with all these great grades and accolades on our Oline?

The only year we had a running game that commanded much respect was 2022 and that was when they finally gave Pollard quite a bit of the load. Sorry but a lot of that was on the edges and behind their other guard. Odd you wouldn't get more success behind an All Pro.

 

[gimmesix]

It's hard to keep the particulars of each year separate without going back & looking at film. There was a year where all the top RG's struggled with injuries, age & there was no clear winner. I would argue that is a case where none of them really played up to the All Pro level but someone had to get the recognition.

There are far too many times over the last several years where I would watch his work against a common opponent vs the week before or week after we played them and the no name RG on the other team created more lanes, held up better in pass pro. Yet, he would get graded fantastically.

I'd argue that he was playing at a high level in 2022 (even if there had been some slippage) and last year was when he showed he was human.

Here's what CBS Sports had to say after last year: As good and consistent as Martin has been, the 2023 season produced the worst pass-blocking numbers of his career. Martin allowed a career-high four sacks (allowed just two sacks from 2019 through 2022) and 22 pressures (also a career high) and a pressure rate allowed per dropback of 4.1%.

Of note is that Martin only allowed two sacks from 2019-22. If you're saying that a player who did that isn't worthy of the recognition he received, I've got to disagree with that. Now, if you want to say he wasn't worthy of the honor last year, then I'd agree.

 

[McKDaddy]

Of note is that Martin only allowed two sacks from 2019-22. If you're saying that a player who did that isn't worthy of the recognition he received, I've got to disagree with that. Now, if you want to say he wasn't worthy of the honor last year, then I'd agree.

The key question is do you believe he only allowed two sacks from 2019-2022? In 2022 we allowed 54 sacks, 3rd highest in the NFL. Is it really plausible that one of the 5 offensive linemen allowed 0 sacks and only one holding penalty in a year like that? If so, he should have really stood out because those around him sucked, right? Granted, his pass blocking has been better than his run blocking during his decline but that doesn't mean he has been stonewalling. He was giving up ground which contributes to there not being a pocket to maneuver, creates gaps for other players to exploit, etc. Also, the manner in which they assign sacks is subjective at best. A G can give up immediate pressure that forces the QB straight into an edge defender who was being blocked exactly as he should have. After games in 2022, were you thinking "Man, Zack just dominated his guys today."? Cause that is what we should be thinking when we see the best player at a position play.

As for other players around the league being more deserving, I'm not sure how much you watch other teams but there are a lot of really good players who don't get the recognition they deserve from the general public. Lindstrom from the Falcons, Zeitler for Lions, Teller for the Browns, etc.. Were their individual efforts recognized in the voting or minimized by their teams record? discounted because they weren't a top 16 pick who was dominant early in their career?

At the end of the day, I wasn't seeing a player that was dominant. And I haven't seen him being dominant in quite a while.

 

[gimmesix]

The key question is do you believe he only allowed two sacks from 2019-2022? In 2022 we allowed 54 sacks, 3rd highest in the NFL. Is it really plausible that one of the 5 offensive linemen allowed 0 sacks and only one holding penalty in a year like that? If so, he should have really stood out because those around him sucked, right? Granted, his pass blocking has been better than his run blocking during his decline but that doesn't mean he has been stonewalling. He was giving up ground which contributes to there not being a pocket to maneuver, creates gaps for other players to exploit, etc. Also, the manner in which they assign sacks is subjective at best. A G can give up immediate pressure that forces the QB straight into an edge defender who was being blocked exactly as he should have. After games in 2022, were you thinking "Man, Zack just dominated his guys today."? Cause that is what we should be thinking when we see the best player at a position play.

As for other players around the league being more deserving, I'm not sure how much you watch other teams but there are a lot of really good players who don't get the recognition they deserve from the general public. Lindstrom from the Falcons, Zeitler for Lions, Teller for the Browns, etc.. Were their individual efforts recognized in the voting or minimized by their teams record? discounted because they weren't a top 16 pick who was dominant early in their career?

At the end of the day, I wasn't seeing a player that was dominant. And I haven't seen him being dominant in quite a while.

I prefer to believe the data available over your summation that he had to give up more than that because we gave up 54 sacks in 2022. You seem set in your position no matter what is presented, so I prefer to let it go. This year has beaten me down to the point where it's not worth the fight.

 

[Adreme]

Funny every cap site shows he’s under contract next year how does he become a FA if under contract

Because it’s a void year. He is not really under contract. If he is still on the roster as of a certain date the contract voids and he is a free agent.

 

[DuncanIso]

34 years old and we need to rebuild, I would have taken the draft capital.

No one will trade for him.

 

[DuncanIso]

Because it’s a void year. He is not really under contract. If he is still on the roster as of a certain date the contract voids and he is a free agent.

And we still have a ton of dead cap $$ because of that contract.

 

[DuncanIso]

First: Martin is going to retire. He has already hinted at it and when your mind is pointed, that way, it is over. His back is shot
Second: Would you blame him wanting to play for a team to win a SB? Demarcus Ware had to leave Dallas. You do not play for the Cowboys expecting to even get to a NFC Conference game. The circus is why player come to Dallas. Popularity, not winning.

I can think of $20M reasons why he plays in 2025.