Cowboys Get Alarming Draft Label From Mel Kiper

[offlimits]

Tbh Mel Kiper is the Jim Cramer of football

Cramer, some 20-25 years ago, (A Goldman guy) ran a very successful hedge fund. Now, he is just a clown on a clown TV show. NEVER take his investing advice.

 

[eromeopolk]

The Cowboys tried to trade down. They couldn't get the value of the pick so they stayed pat.

Zack Martin must have been a horrible pick at 16 also!!!

I guess every team from 12 to 21 didn't value Hampton the same as Kiper so they were all wrong to pass on him too.

Zach Martin was a tackle in college. So he was more of a premium pick versus a pure OG like Booker. If not an elite OT, rule of thumb is make a college OT a OG, and never draft a pure OG in the 1st round unless the OG is a C/OG flex.

 

[eromeopolk]

Big Reach rd1

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/dallas...oser-mel-kiper-tyler-booker-first-round-grade

Btw I’ve also seen it said that Booker’s 21 reps on the bench were pretty embarrassing for a guy who talks about making people quit.

Wait for the grade which will come 3 years from now.

Also, Mel Kiper, who I knew personally we he started with his blue boo years ago knows football personnel. I agree with him regarding not picking a pure OG in the 1st round, and I already stated why.

You guys got to stop drinking the Jerry Dumbo GM Jones Kool Aid. To think less of Mel Kiper vs. Jerry Jones when it comes to evaluating players and picks is incredulous.

 

[TwentyOne]

The Cowboys tried to trade down. They couldn't get the value of the pick so they stayed pat.

Zack Martin must have been a horrible pick at 16 also!!!

I guess every team from 12 to 21 didn't value Hampton the same as Kiper so they were all wrong to pass on him too.

Of course was Zack a horrible pick at 16. But he was a great player. Gotta understand the difference between a pick and a player.

Guards just dont matter that much. You pick very good ones in round 2 or 3. And thats all you need.

Premium picks are for LTs not the least important position of the OL.

 

[Hardline]

What did Martins HOF career bring us?

What has any Cowboys HOF player in the last 29 years brought us?

 

[Loso86]

Big Reach rd1

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/dallas...oser-mel-kiper-tyler-booker-first-round-grade

Btw I’ve also seen it said that Booker’s 21 reps on the bench were pretty embarrassing for a guy who talks about making people quit.

It's a reach because HE didn't mock him there. Just about everybody else gave them an A

 

[Flamma]

Yeah the bench press, and in particular 225 for reps, isn't the end all be all of strength. It's as much muscular endurance as it is one rep strength. On top of that how much does he squat, does he get low and get good leverage, how is is hand and footwork etc. 21 reps isn't impressive in comparison, but it's not alarming either.

As a senior in high school I could bench press 210 ten times. But not with my hands wide. I put them together in the middle of the bar. I don't know how many times I could do 225, but I was only 5'11 165 pounds. I would imagine a big offensive lineman should do a lot more. But does it even matter?

 

[kskboys]

Big Reach rd1

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/dallas...oser-mel-kiper-tyler-booker-first-round-grade

Btw I’ve also seen it said that Booker’s 21 reps on the bench were pretty embarrassing for a guy who talks about making people quit.

Isn't this the same dude who hated our Frederick pick?

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Isn't this the same dude who hated our Frederick pick?

If Mel Kiper was an actual scout (something he became only in his own mind), he would have been fired 30-plus years ago.

 

[Pass2Run]

Who gives a S what that oil haired freak says?

He looks like he lives in the basement of Epstein island...

 

[CowboyoWales]

Guards just dont matter that much. You pick very good ones in round 2 or 3. And thats all you need.

Premium picks are for LTs not the least important position of the OL.

Not even in a Division where we'll face 5 1st Rd DT's?

Having a less than mobile QB, the need to protect him 'up the middle', need for a running game for yards and to give us the 'right' to pass, together lifts a GUARD as being a pretty much needed upgrade, in that it'll assist in all these areas.

 

[DuncanIso]

Travis Frederick did 21 bench reps at the combine.
- He has 33" arms.
- He had dominant power in the NFL...

Tyler Booker did 21 bench reps at the combine.
- He has 34-1/2" arms.

Mingo did 22.

 

[J-man]

Mel is THE biggest hack in sports entertainment.
He's wrong about almost everything and they still look to him for "inside knowledge". It's flat out laughable we people point to what he says as good information!

Didn't he have Sanders as the #1 QB in the class? Wasn't he basically crying all weekend about stupid NFL front offices are for not listening to him and taking him much much sooner?

 

[TwentyOne]

Not even in a Division where we'll face 5 1st Rd DT's?

Having a less than mobile QB, the need to protect him 'up the middle', need for a running game for yards and to give us the 'right' to pass, together lifts a GUARD as being a pretty much needed upgrade, in that it'll assist in all these areas.

That wasnt my point. I dont question that he will be an upgrade. How much an upgrade will make a difference at the least important position of the OL has to been seen. How many championships were we able to win during Martins career?

As a good drafting team (which our FO thinks they are) you should be able to pick up very good guards in the 2nd or third round. You should not be in need to pick one with a premium pick. Premium picks in the first round are for picking your franchise LT, franchise RDE, your generational WR or franchise QB etc...

Dont misunderstand me: You can of course - for the third time in a row - throw away your premium pick. But with this approach no one should ask themself why this team lacks a good QB, a good RB a good LT and RT two good DTs, safties, LBs and CBs. And is one of the worst teams in the league for at least the last decade.

 

[75boyz]

That wasnt my point. I dont question that he will be an upgrade. How much an upgrade will make a difference at the least important position of the OL has to been seen. How many championships were we able to win during Martins career?

As a good drafting team (which our FO thinks they are) you should be able to pick up very good guards in the 2nd or third round. You should not be in need to pick one with a premium pick. Premium picks in the first round are for picking your franchise LT, franchise RDE, your generational WR or franchise QB etc...

Dont misunderstand me: You can of course - for the third time in a row - throw away your premium pick. But with this approach no one should ask themself why this team lacks a good QB, a good RB a good LT and RT two good DTs, safties, LBs and CBs. And is one of the worst teams in the league for at least the last decade.

With all due respect of course...

CowboysFaninHouston has previously provided an all inclusive package of posts explaining the marriage between an immediate impact and Cowboy team need in the premium first round pick of Booker.

Just saying he's covered all the bases in great detail on this discussion and anything else is re-hashing old news. To top it off though I think you pretty much captured his way of thinking here as well for that matter.
And like I said, no disrespect intended.

 

[TwentyOne]

With all due respect of course...

CowboysFaninHouston has previously provided an all inclusive package of posts explaining the marriage between an immediate impact and Cowboy team need in the premium first round pick of Booker.

Just saying he's covered all the bases in great detail on this discussion and anything else is re-hashing old news. To top it off though I think you pretty much captured his way of thinking here as well for that matter.
And like I said, no disrespect intended.

No offense taken.

Two people can have the same opinion. I did not read CFiH posts neither did i check who was the first one who posted this view. In my case i did argue the same way when we drafted gyuton and way before him also. Did he too one+ years ago?

I write this because i feel the need to defend myself because you put it like i was copy pasting his writeup. And thats just a wrong assumption. So i like to clarify that.

I just wonder why you still argue against mine. It seems you are on par with his view ?!