Cowboys had extensive meetings w/QB Herndon Hooker

[cnuball21]

Well, this will be interesting. Watched 3 cutups of Hooker, and the guy he reminds me of is a rawer Dak. Like rookie Dak.

He's got a snappy arm that's good not great, he can run a bit but doesn't like to, accuracy wobbles, and he needs to see receivers break open before he throws. Cnu is right, he never moves beyond half-field reads.

We complain about Dak a lot, but he's grown up a lot as a player. In his first 3 years, he used to struggle with some really basic stuff, like staring down first reads and air-mailing 3 or 4 balls a game. Hooker is like a throwback to that... a physically capable gamer who doesn't have a grasp on everything yet. Dak unquestionably worked hard and maximized his skillset... there is no guarantee that Hooker develops the same way.

More importantly, I don't see Hooker as a transformational quarterback. The best guys in the league can all "see" space almost instinctively and anticipate it. When Pat Mahomes throws a no-looker or a one handed pop pass, he's not doing it willy nilly... he knows where his receiver and the defenders are going to be a second before they get there. I remember seeing a post game interview with Joe Burrow, when he threw a touchdown to Tee Higgins in bracket coverage. He mentioned that the safety on the play had his back turned, and Burrow saw that he couldn't play the ball before it got there, so he knew that the double team was actually a 1 on 1. And he can process that in under 2 seconds.

Dak's not a guy that can do that. That's why he struggles against zone... he can whiteboard out how a smash concept beats Cover 3, but when the bullets go live, he's not comfortable anticipating that flag-route throw over the flat defender. So he holds on to the ball, or checks it down to Schultz, or forces a tight window throw in there, and generally does the Dak stuff we see every week.

Ultimately, Hooker's not a guy who can anticipate either. He is very much a see-it-throw-it guy and doesn't look quick to process. Combine that with tools that are middle of the road by pro QB standards, and I don't see a franchise quarterback. Dak is Hooker's ceiling if he maximizes himself, and the floor is clipboard holding.

QBs on a rookie contract are such a boon, that I would still take him early second if I was a bad team and missed out on the QBs in round 1. Hell, I could even justify a late 1st because of the 5th year option. Daniel Jones is a bottom half QB in the league IMO, and is asking for 40 million dollars a year. Hooker will never be a top 10 QB, but if he develops to even a Jones level, he will repay your draft pick easily.

I’d probably be more inclined if he wasn’t 25 and probably already physically maxed out.

 

[john van brocklin]

He’s older, coming off a serious injury, and played on an offense that is obsolete in the NFL. Lots of question marks so don’t worry, there’s a 75% chance we overdraft him.

Second round special?
Jerry has a history of these.

 

[GuitarBytes]

Hooker 2022 y 2021

CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	RTG
229	329	69.6	3,135	9.5	27	2	78	175.5
206	302	68.2	2,945	9.8	31	3	75	182.0

Dak 2022 y 2021

CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	RTG
261	394	66.2	2860	7.3	23	15	90	91.1
410	596	68.8	4449	7.5	37	10	51	104.2

see the difference? and the Dak lovers will say?

If they are interested, I think they will take him in the second round or 3rd high round with a trade, since age is an issue

 

[phildadon86]

Hooker 2022 y 2021

CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	RTG
229	329	69.6	3,135	9.5	27	2	78	175.5
206	302	68.2	2,945	9.8	31	3	75	182.0

Dak 2022 y 2021

CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	RTG
261	394	66.2	2860	7.3	23	15	90	91.1
410	596	68.8	4449	7.5	37	10	51	104.2

see the difference? and the Dak lovers will say?

If they are interested, I think they will take him in the second round or 3rd high round with a trade, since age is an issue

As much as I dont want to have to point this out.

Comparing a guy playing against college competition to a guy playing against NFL competition may be the most ridiculous thing I have seen on this forum.

Lets compare Mahomes to Bryce Young next.

 

[cnuball21]

As much as I dont want to have to point this out.

Comparing a guy playing against college competition to a guy playing against NFL competition may be the most ridiculous thing I have seen on this forum.

Lets compare Mahomes to Bryce Young next.

Lol yea this is absurd.

 

[GuitarBytes]

As much as I dont want to have to point this out.

Comparing a guy playing against college competition to a guy playing against NFL competition may be the most ridiculous thing I have seen on this forum.

Lets compare Mahomes to Bryce Young next.

well, analysts always compare college players to players who have played in the NFL to give an estimated approach to the quality of the player, and many rely on statistics to give the value, one thing is that they are absurd to see a reality and that their love for Dak is beaten by a reality.

 

[Sydla]

Hooker 2022 y 2021

CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	RTG
229	329	69.6	3,135	9.5	27	2	78	175.5
206	302	68.2	2,945	9.8	31	3	75	182.0

Dak 2022 y 2021

CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	RTG
261	394	66.2	2860	7.3	23	15	90	91.1
410	596	68.8	4449	7.5	37	10	51	104.2

see the difference? and the Dak lovers will say?

If they are interested, I think they will take him in the second round or 3rd high round with a trade, since age is an issue

This was a dumb post.

You can't compare QB ratings. They are calculated differently between the NFL and college.

 

[phildadon86]

well, analysts always compare college players to players who have played in the NFL to give an estimated approach to the quality of the player, and many rely on statistics to give the value, one thing is that they are absurd to see a reality and that their love for Dak is beaten by a reality.

No. You are just looking for a reason to bash someone. Dak gives us enough reasons to bash him. You dont need to fabricate reasons.

 

[Stash]

I’m not getting my hopes up. Jerry Jones has had ‘extensive meetings’ with plenty of Hookers before.

 

[stilltheguru]

Please draft this guy

I don't see it either

 

[xwalker]

he will be 26 during the season.

That's a big issue for a 1st round pick.

It's a non-issue for a 4th round pick.

Prorate between 1st and 4th if drafted 2nd or 3rd round.

 

[KDM256]

Hooker was a system QB whose coach pretty much put his players in space to make plays. I am not saying Hooker's talent won't translate into the NFL but I am not drafting him high just to sit behind Dak for the next 2 years.

 

[reddyuta]

That's a big issue for a 1st round pick.

It's a non-issue for a 4th round pick.

Prorate between 1st and 4th if drafted 2nd or 3rd round.

i agree for any other position than QB.he is going to be a backup and has a steep learning curve by the looks of it.

 

[Risen Star]

he will be 26 during the season.

Relax. He's old enough to post here.

 

[MikeT22]

The only way the Cowboys draft him is if he falls to our 3rd round draft pick. Has the potential to be Dak or a bust. I would love for him to backup Dak and be our 3rd round pick.

Hooker could be Dak or a bust?

Well, hard no for me.

 

[baltcowboy]

Hooker could be Dak or a bust?

Well, hard no for me.

You wouldn’t draft a top 10 quarterback in the third round? Tough crowd….. Guess if your not Aikman or Stauback you need not apply to be a Cowboys quarterback. Only Cowboys fans.

 

[Rayman70]

Dude will be 31 when his 2nd deal comes. I aint a fan of that.

 

[Rayman70]

this has feast or famine written all over it whomever drafts the guy.

 

[cnuball21]

You wouldn’t draft a top 10 quarterback in the third round? Tough crowd….. Guess if your not Aikman or Stauback you need not apply to be a Cowboys quarterback. Only Cowboys fans.

Haven’t you heard? Until we get the next Mahomes we need to draft a 1st round QB every year.

 

[baltcowboy]

Haven’t you heard? Until we get the next Mahomes we need to draft a 1st round QB every year.

The board is going to blow up when Dak gets his extension.