Cowboys have not played the elite NFL run teams. The true test is this Sunday.

Seattle wins a few games and then they get full of themselves, they're more heckyll and jeckyll than we were the first few games, and they don't have youth as an excuse. Everyone else already said it, and I agree, we'll put 8 in the box, man to man against their wideouts... and I don't expect this one to be close. Seahawks will quit when they get behind by 10.
 
You folks do realize that Seattle is playing w/o Engrahmn and Jackson? Both starting WR.

Something to think about. I think our D can handle Seattle.
 
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20041206026


Alexander did not run over us last year. If we can keep Hasselback in check Alexander might be taken out easier than some think.

Its not as easy to run over our new D line rotation as it was in years past. We have bigger LB's now and we can deploy Roy in the box moreso with SeaHags WR ills.
 
dbair1967 said:
I think you'd be the onlt one then, other than Alexander's family

prob every GM in football would laugh you out of the room if you suggested a straight up trade of Alexander for Tomlinson

Tomlinson isnt only the best RB in football, he's probably the best player regardless of position right now

David

Its funny Shuan was 1yard short of the rushing title last year, where was LT? 360 yards behind Shuan. LT has had better receiving yards each year and he started his rookie year where Alexander didn't. They are both great backs and no I wouldn't straight up trade one for the other.
 
TruBlueCowboy said:
I think we can all agree that the passing defense on the Cowboys is fixed and ready to go. Mediots still say we are susceptible to the long ball but that's only because they watched the last five minutes of the MNF game against the Skins and the one Randy Moss highlight in the Raiders game. This team SHUTS DOWN receivers, especially now that the defensive line and DeMarcus Ware are getting even better.

Looking over the top rush yards/game & yards/carry teams on our schedule:

San Diego #4 at 148.2 yards/game, #4 at 4.8 yards/carry
Washington #8 at 127.0 yards/game, #15 at 4.0 yards/carry
San Francisco #26 at 80.0 yards/game, #18 at 3.8 yards/carry
Oakland #31 at 70.6 yards/game, #26 at 3.4 yards/carry
Philadelphia #32 at 64.2 yards/game, #21 at 3.6 yards/carry
New York #17 at 110.0 yards/game, #7 at 4.4 yards/carry

The Cowboys really haven't faced a dominant running team except for San Diego and that was the first game of the year when teams are still feeling their way through. Remember all the criticism on Schottenheimer for not using LT enough in that game? The Giants are near the top of the league at getting yardage on the run and they had no problem moving the ball against the defense. They were averaging just over 4 yards a carry which is close to their season average. I asssume the reason why they are not tops in the league in total yards/game is because their defense gives up so many points and forces them to pass. Only because our defense shut down Eli Manning did we stall their offense. Coughlin probably should have run more.

The reason I bring this up is because I noticed in the preseason that Seattle had their way with us in the running game. It was vanilla playcalling but it was hard to watch this new defense give up so easily to the running game.

Right now, Seattle is ranked

#2 in the NFL in yards/carry at 5.4
#2 in the NFL in yards/game at 166.0
#2 in the NFL in total rushing yards at 996

This is a team with a strong offensive line, Shaun Alexander is having an All Pro year, and they will straight up run all over you and have the defense to allow them to keep running and wearing the clock out.

Do you think this is the final challenge for this new Cowboys defense? If they can withstand this powerful ground assault, and perform another one of those miraculous clamp downs, I think we can start calling them the new Doomsday Defense.

Excellent post dude !! yes our defense has been playing well. and i agree with your assessment regarding SD, it being the first game, they are playing better now.

Though i think we really had the g Men bottled up with their running game. But this week is a great test for us, and i think we will prevail. Actually i think right now we have an advantage in that seattle wr corps is depleted, and so i think we can afford to man up on their wr and focus more on alexander.

Cant wait to watch the defense, on the road, playing against a team that has been pounding the ball with a dominant run game, a very good test for us.
 
jksmith269 said:
Its funny Shuan was 1yard short of the rushing title last year, where was LT? 360 yards behind Shuan. LT has had better receiving yards each year and he started his rookie year where Alexander didn't. They are both great backs and no I wouldn't straight up trade one for the other.

Look at the teams Alexander ran against last year in a watered down NFC (and yes that includes the Cowboys, one of the worst defenses in the league last year). Then look at the teams LT ran against in the AFC.

There is no comparison. You believe what you want though.
 
Seems to me JJ enjoys the seahawks field(at least thats what he said) and if our defence, last year which wasnt as good as this years defence only let shawn alexander rush for I think around 70-80 yards.
 
TruBlueCowboy said:
I think we can all agree that the passing defense on the Cowboys is fixed and ready to go. Mediots still say we are susceptible to the long ball but that's only because they watched the last five minutes of the MNF game against the Skins and the one Randy Moss highlight in the Raiders game. This team SHUTS DOWN receivers, especially now that the defensive line and DeMarcus Ware are getting even better.

Looking over the top rush yards/game & yards/carry teams on our schedule:

San Diego #4 at 148.2 yards/game, #4 at 4.8 yards/carry
Washington #8 at 127.0 yards/game, #15 at 4.0 yards/carry
San Francisco #26 at 80.0 yards/game, #18 at 3.8 yards/carry
Oakland #31 at 70.6 yards/game, #26 at 3.4 yards/carry
Philadelphia #32 at 64.2 yards/game, #21 at 3.6 yards/carry
New York #17 at 110.0 yards/game, #7 at 4.4 yards/carry

The Cowboys really haven't faced a dominant running team except for San Diego and that was the first game of the year when teams are still feeling their way through. Remember all the criticism on Schottenheimer for not using LT enough in that game? The Giants are near the top of the league at getting yardage on the run and they had no problem moving the ball against the defense. They were averaging just over 4 yards a carry which is close to their season average. I asssume the reason why they are not tops in the league in total yards/game is because their defense gives up so many points and forces them to pass. Only because our defense shut down Eli Manning did we stall their offense. Coughlin probably should have run more.

The reason I bring this up is because I noticed in the preseason that Seattle had their way with us in the running game. It was vanilla playcalling but it was hard to watch this new defense give up so easily to the running game.

Right now, Seattle is ranked

#2 in the NFL in yards/carry at 5.4
#2 in the NFL in yards/game at 166.0
#2 in the NFL in total rushing yards at 996

This is a team with a strong offensive line, Shaun Alexander is having an All Pro year, and they will straight up run all over you and have the defense to allow them to keep running and wearing the clock out.

Do you think this is the final challenge for this new Cowboys defense? If they can withstand this powerful ground assault, and perform another one of those miraculous clamp downs, I think we can start calling them the new Doomsday Defense.

We should pop in the tape of the Seahawks/Commanders game because the Skins bottled up Alexander for most of that game. I was there at that game and that guy was getting stuffed left and right. He had a couple of decent runs, but he didn't run over them. He can be stopped!
 
dargonking999 said:
Sorry but the Way Ware abused Seattle in the preseason, was not a fluke, this guy has gotten better, and with even more people they have to worry about, he cant get to much speacail attention.

And with Dat coming back, and with two starting WR's not at 100 percent(may not even play) the pass wont be as worried about, so we can put Roy in the box. Look at alot of the teams we played, they had serious passing attacks, whihc made it harder to protect against the run, guys backed up before the came foward. We must stop the run, and we will

excellent analysis
 
Alexander puts up real nice stats, but he's soft as anything, hit him in the mouth and put 8 men in the box, keep hitting him, he'll falter
 
TruBlueCowboy said:
The Cowboys just shut down one of the most lethal passing offenses and brighest young QBs in the NFl last Sunday. Before that game, the Giants were #2 in the NFL in yards/reception. Except for two blown plays, the Cowboys shut down Marc Brunell and Santana Moss. Except for one blown play, the Cowboys shut down Randy Moss. The Cowboys shut down Terrell Owens. I don't know how you can think they have problems in that area. And if Lamont Jordan of all players is running all over the Cowboys defense, then that tells ya something.

Don't get offended. I'm a Cowboys fan too and hope this defense becomes the best in the league. I'm just saying teams have had some success running the ball against us and we haven't really faced a top NFL team yet with an established elite running game that just decided to get down and dirty and run it until we proved we couldn't stop them.

you missed this dude's analysis, the reason we've been hit hard by the run, is because of the passing Os that we've game-planned to stop, the D was playing back, and Roy was out in coverage, now since Seattle doesn't have very many threats at WR, we can play alot of man, and have Roy sitting at the LOS all day
 
Trip said:
Seattle wins a few games and then they get full of themselves, they're more heckyll and jeckyll than we were the first few games, and they don't have youth as an excuse.


Yes, the Seahawks do remind me of a couple of magpies I used to watch in my younger days. :D
 
"Cowboys have not played the elite NFL run teams. The true test is this Sunday."

:lmao: :lmao2:
 
THUMPER said:
Are the Seahawks really that good or are their statistics the result of playing a very weak schedule of defenses? I pointed out in another thread that the only two teams they have faced so far with good defenses, the Jags & Skins, they lost to and did not put up any big numbers. Alexander ran for 73 vs the Jags and 98 vs the Skins and they scored 14 & 17 points respectively.

The Seahawks ran up 354 yards of total offense against the Skins, 5.2 yards per rush, 5.7 yards per play...

Against the Jags, they had 325 yards of total offense, 5.1 yards per rush, 5.6 yards per play...

These numbers ARE down somewhat from their full-season averages, but they're still pretty good...

OTOH, the Iggles were averaging well over 400 yards per game when they faced the Cowboys, and were held to under 130 yards, and the Giants were averaging over 30 points per game going into the Cowboys' game, and were held to 13 points...

I think the Seahawks will enjoy some success offensively, but won't come close to matching their per game averages to date... and I feel confident that the Cowboys will have a fair amount of success against the Seattle defense...
 
Kilyin said:
It was two passes that lost us the Commanders game though. Portis did nothing.

Portis has yet to hurt us as a Commander... and this year, he hasn't really hurt anybody too badly, not having scored even one TD so far...
 
AdamJT13 said:
Barber was a nonfactor in the game. The Giants started three drives inside our 40, and Barber had five carries for 17 yards on those drives. He didn't make a single big play (his longest run was 9 yards, his only catch was for 5). If we didn't shut him down, we certainly kept him from having ANY positive effect for the Giants.

All I'm saying about Barber is it didn't always look like the Cowboys could stop him and if I were the Giants, and he's averaging 4+ yards a carry, I would have run Barber a lot more, especially after it looked like Eli was going to have problems with the Cowboys defense. Coughlin is a strange cat when it comes to running the ball. I have no idea where that rookie who hadn't take a single snap came from for that goalline stand. Reminds me of coaches who get too methodical, and forget their players are humans.

Your personal rankings aside, we held Portis to about half his average yardage this season (52 yards against us, 98.0 in his other games). And we held him to his lowest per-carry average by more than half a yard per carry.

Clinton Portis: Is he overrated or underrated? You decide! Seriously though, that would take entire new post. :D You can go with the opinion that the Commanders are one of the best running teams in the league, I don't agree. See some of Silverbear's comments about Portis above. I've always though some of those Skins linemen were overrated too.

And our defense isn't better than it was early in the season?

Exactly. Teams change. I'm not arguing about that at all. This is one reason why I bring up Seattle. They've always been a strong running team and if not for some WR injuries that will allow the Cowboys defense to probably not worry about coverage as much as they normally would, they would be a great barometer of this new defense's ability to stop the run.

That's not unusual for Tomlinson. He had 19 against us, 19 aganst Denver, 18 against Pittsburgh and a whopping 21 against the Gaints (when he rushed for 192 yards). If you go back throughout his career, Tomlinson has had 20 carries or less in almost HALF of his games and only 21 or 22 carries in many more.

As far as Tomlinson, I know he has averaged anywhere from 18 to 30 carries a game, but I still don't feel like we played the Chargers that are now winnig most of their games. I'm not making excuses for our team, that's the way the game goes, I just don't feel LT was used right in that Cowboys game. I'm also still confused as to why they suspended Antonio Gates for a contract holdout. Thank god we didn't have to execute with him in the game.

Westbrook (a Pro Bowl running back last year) against a nickel defense typically averages about 5 yards per carry and breaks some long runs. Against us, he averaged 2.0 YPC, and his longest run was 3 yards.

Out of curiosity, where did you get that stat about Westbrook and what he averages against nickel defenses? I didn't know any internet sites had stats with that much detail. I'd like to take a look at it if you don't mind. Sounds like a cool site.

Apparently, most of us disagree.

That's fine, you're more than welcome to disagree with me. If we all agreed on the team, this message board wouldn't be necessary. My only issue is I think some people have gotten my whole message wrong. I'm not knocking on our defense. I feel like people are replying as if they're offended and think I just wrote that the defense is fake, which I did not write anywhere. I think they'e one of the best in the league, but I'd like to see them move up to that elite level. I want to know that our defense is going to compete for #1 in the league by the end of the year, and I'd feel a lot more comfortable if they played just a few more strong offensive lines with good running backs. More Oakland Raider style offensive lines.
 
If this isn't enough to convince some of you doubters, I don't know what is.

Straight from Bill Parcells's mouth as transcribed at the Zone yesterday:

Talk to me on Monday about defensive depth. This is the real test here. They got real good passing and running offense, and they score a lot of points in a hurry.

They run for 166 yards per game. Different than the other teams we face. Holmgren has tweaked his offense a little bit, but I have a tremendous amount of respect for him. He gives you a lot of problems. I’ve played against him close to 10 times, and there was a lot of his influence on those 49ers teams. He’s a very good coach. This team has the best OL in football. We’ll see.

This game shows if we have a defense ready to roll and dominate or if we need to work on it some more. IMO, a great defense always beats a great offense.

I'm hoping it's Doomsday 2005! :cool:
 

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