News: Cowboys haven't had a Top 20 pass rush in five years, help won't come in draft

[Idgit]

We won 1 game without Romo and JG/Linehan leading the way; this was not specific to us around the league. I've passed that stage and want Goff @ 4 as there is no guarantee Romo will be healthy all season or next, etc . DL/RB/CB/S the rest of the draft but really thought we would have gotten Miller to solidify the RB position. I thought with the win now mentality that JJ has kept reiterating prior to FA, that he would open the wallet a bit more than we have at this point tbh. You have to get some help in FA whether it's a gamble or not but like the Thornton pickup for depth or to compete for a starting position.

Romo bails out this offensive scheme as being predictable and simple. All of the burden taken on by Romo exposed a lot of problems with this scheme that many of us have been complaining about during the 8-8 stretch. The scheme is dated and needs to be scrapped. Just let Romo get paid as OC/HC to even things out a bit

Nonsense. No scheme works with no passing effectiveness, no playmakers, and a devastating negative TO differential.

And you guys were complaining about the scheme and the play calling Romo's entire career. Don't try to pretend now that it suddenly 'got exposed.'

What changed was the playmakers were on the sidelines.

 

[BigStar]

Nonsense. No scheme works with no passing effectiveness, no playmakers, and a devastating negative TO differential.

And you guys were complaining about the scheme and the play calling Romo's entire career. Don't try to pretend now that it suddenly 'got exposed.'

What changed was the playmakers were on the sidelines.

We're agreeing with each other? This has been a long term problem hidden by Romo. When he wasn't present, the scheme's "adaptation" showed nothing that would normally give a backup QB an advantage. Quick easy throws on 1st down (RB Swings/TE's (Escobar over Witten) on option routes over the middle, motion drag routes). Our scheme was to run on 1st regardless, 2nd down relied on how successful that run was, and then go for it on 3rd (ineffectively).

None of the routes I mentioned above were stressed to settle your backup QB into a game. Weeden (who was here for over a year) and later when they scrambled for Cassell were never given appropriate coaching to settle them into games but instead were handed a vague scheme of "play it safe;whatever that means" and then also to come through on 3rd and long. Terrible coaching

 

[Idgit]

We're agreeing with each other? This has been a long term problem hidden by Romo. When he wasn't present, the scheme's "adaptation" showed nothing that would normally give a backup QB an advantage. Quick easy throws on 1st down (RB Swings/TE's (Escobar over Witten) on option routes over the middle, motion drag routes). Our scheme was to run on 1st regardless, 2nd down relied on how successful that run was, and then go for it on 3rd (ineffectively).

None of the routes I mentioned above were stressed to settle your backup QB into a game. Weeden (who was here for over a year) and later when they scrambled for Cassell were never given appropriate coaching to settle them into games but instead were handed a vague scheme of "play it safe;whatever that means" and then also to come through on 3rd and long. Terrible coaching

We're clearly saying the opposite.

Not sure what you were watching if you didn't see routes for TEs and RBs, because that's pretty much all we were doing for a while there until Dunbar also got hurt. Beasley, too, is useful on those types of throws when he's not doubled because the defense knows exactly what we want to do with a line of sight passer with no touch.

As to your interpretation of what our scheme is, that's not what a scheme is. What your calling 'scheme' here isn't anything more than how you'd generalize your recollections of a generic offensive series in your head. No wonder we don't agree on what the scheme problems actually are.

 

[Hoofbite]

The club has publicly distanced itself from Hardy due to his conduct off-the-field last year, despite being a key to Lawrence’s development.

Sure he was.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Sure he was.

I don't know about a key to his development but I have heard reports of Hardy having influence on the D-line here. I think there's some good with Hardy just like TO but the bad far outweighs the good and its not even close.

 

[BigStar]

We're clearly saying the opposite.

Not sure what you were watching if you didn't see routes for TEs and RBs, because that's pretty much all we were doing for a while there until Dunbar also got hurt. Beasley, too, is useful on those types of throws when he's not doubled because the defense knows exactly what we want to do with a line of sight passer with no touch.

As to your interpretation of what our scheme is, that's not what a scheme is. What your calling 'scheme' here isn't anything more than how you'd generalize your recollections of a generic offensive series in your head. No wonder we don't agree on what the scheme problems actually are.

Okay, Idge you know dang well I know what the difference is. I was simple describing how our "scheme" played out offensively. Long routes for WRs, short option routes for Beasley/Witten. None of the routes I described were stressed with Weeden or Cassel unless you're counting RB swings as their last looks? We haven't run a motion drag since TO left. Witten's drag routes are usually for 3-4 yds and are last looks.

 

[BigStar]

We're clearly saying the opposite.

Not sure what you were watching if you didn't see routes for TEs and RBs, because that's pretty much all we were doing for a while there until Dunbar also got hurt. Beasley, too, is useful on those types of throws when he's not doubled because the defense knows exactly what we want to do with a line of sight passer with no touch.

As to your interpretation of what our scheme is, that's not what a scheme is. What your calling 'scheme' here isn't anything more than how you'd generalize your recollections of a generic offensive series in your head. No wonder we don't agree on what the scheme problems actually are.

I was just messing with you in the first sentence. Sorry for the immaturity, etc.

 

[BigStar]

Nonsense. No scheme works with no passing effectiveness, no playmakers, and a devastating negative TO differential.

And you guys were complaining about the scheme and the play calling Romo's entire career. Don't try to pretend now that it suddenly 'got exposed.'

What changed was the playmakers were on the sidelines.

I agree with you on this post, but we have differing opinions on how to move forward for the future. I love Romo and appreciate him salvaging the team when we looked so lost without a blue chip QB. I don't have a problem letting Goff sit the whole year if that means Romo makes it through w/o injury. I just don't buy the 4-5 year plan with Romo still leading the way.

 

[Idgit]

I was just messing with you in the first sentence. Sorry for the immaturity, etc.

Oh, no harm, no foul. I just hadn't gotten around to organizing a reply yet. It was a good football post.

I just get so frustrated not having a good defense. It makes football less fun to watch, and it costs us so many close games. Yet it's never really a significant focus of criticism around here. I don't understand it.

 

[Idgit]

I agree with you on this post, but we have differing opinions on how to move forward for the future. I love Romo and appreciate him salvaging the team when we looked so lost without a blue chip QB. I don't have a problem letting Goff sit the whole year if that means Romo makes it through w/o injury. I just don't buy the 4-5 year plan with Romo still leading the way.

And I'm with you on taking a QB at 4, too. It's too important to pass on a guy if he's there.

 

[BigStar]

Oh, no harm, no foul. I just hadn't gotten around to organizing a reply yet. It was a good football post.

I just get so frustrated not having a good defense. It makes football less fun to watch, and it costs us so many close games. Yet it's never really a significant focus of criticism around here. I don't understand it.

Your point that this D has been lackluster since probably 09 playoffs (Spencer on a tear) is very true. Romo bails this team out so much I just don't want to be left completely hanging with this OL and Dez as cornerstones. But agree, the D is very weak outside of Scan, Lee, Crawford, Lawrence, and Jones. Ro's bi-polar type of attitude makes me feel like we never know what we're getting on game day.

We have to hit on these picks being so high in each round and hope the team can fill some of the holes @ S, DE, CB and LB (if Hardy isn't resigned). Wouldn't mind a RB in 3-4 rd range though McFadden is functional when healthy.

 

[BigStar]

And I'm with you on taking a QB at 4, too. It's too important to pass on a guy if he's there.

Did not expect this response tbh. You obv get the importance of the QB position and were around during the post Aikman era to see that 8 year gap of ugliness. I doubt (hope) we're not drafting high enough to get a good QB prospect in the near future and Goff can learn from Romo (would say Wentz but will likely go to CLE). 1st RD rookie QBs contract are so much cheaper that the gamble is not nearly as high as it was to take a QB high in the first as it was in the past (no insane RG3 and Luck rookie contracts).

 

[Idgit]

Did not expect this response tbh. You get the importance of the QB position and were around obv. during the post Aikman era. I doubt (hope) we're not drafting high enough to get a good QB prospect in the near future and Goff can learn from Romo (would say Wentz but will likely go to CLE). 1st RD rookie QBs contract are so much cheaper that the gamble is not nearly as high as it was to take a QB high in the first as it was in the past (no insane RG3 and Luck rookie contracts).

Yeah, it's tough because we need the defensive help, but replacing Romo is about to be priority number one in a year or two. As much as I don't really think the problem is the design of the offense (I don't really even like the design of our offense much, honestly, I just don't think it's that big a deal), every NFL offense needs a QB to work.

 

[BigStar]

Yeah, it's tough because we need the defensive help, but replacing Romo is about to be priority number one in a year or two. As much as I don't really think the problem is the design of the offense (I don't really even like the design of our offense much, honestly, I just don't think it's that big a deal), every NFL offense needs a QB to work.

For the most part that is true. But there are also little things that seems our passing offense hasn't incorporated that could alleviate the burden a bit. The most glaring one (atleast last season) were the pick plays being used by opposing offenses that we simply had no answer for. Little things like this and some of the longer rants detailing the extra burden on the QBs due to the long WR routes; making more time via scrambling and is hard to counter opponents who are blitzing.

I know Romo doesn't like slant routes oddly enough (he is usually a touch late on them) but I think Romo's influence in the O this off season will have JG and Linehan expand the scheme to include shorter routes, pick plays via bunch formations, and /RBWR screens merely for his own protection. Well mostly for his own sake, I hope they incorporate these aspects into the timing based offense just throw D's off and pick up some "cheap yardage" from time to time.

 

[CCBoy]

For the most part that is true. But there are also little things that seems our passing offense hasn't incorporated that could alleviate the burden a bit. The most glaring one (atleast last season) were the pick plays being used by opposing offenses that we simply had no answer for. Little things like this and some of the longer rants detailing the extra burden on the QBs due to the long WR routes; making more time via scrambling and is hard to counter opponents who are blitzing.

I know Romo doesn't like slant routes oddly enough (he is usually a touch late on them) but I think Romo's influence in the O this off season will have JG and Linehan expand the scheme to include shorter routes, pick plays via bunch formations, and /RBWR screens merely for his own protection. Well mostly for his own sake, I hope they incorporate these aspects into the timing based offense just throw D's off and pick up some "cheap yardage" from time to time.

The window of opportunity on a lot of slants present a small window.