Cowboys in championship game or bust mode

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So then based on this thread the question becomes a simple one: what happens if this season ends like last season and Dallas fails to get to the NFC Championship or Super Bowl? Does Dallas say it's time to move on from MM? Do they say it's time to move on from Dak?
That is what I see is happening. It could be that Stephen Jones isn't keen on giving Dak another extension since he hasn't been able to prove that he isn't able to elevate the play of those around him.
 

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I kind of realize that’s what you meant after I went back and read it and we agree.

:muttley:

That being said, while they do benefit the team, this all comes down to the QB. We lost because of the QB.
Yep, that’s really it. We can sign every FA out there and have the best draft in history, all of which doesn’t matter a bit if the QB is going to throw it to the other team when things matter most.

That aside…I’m pretty sure you realize that Jerry isn’t up for a rebuild and never will be again.
 

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I was speaking for the segment of fans who appear to have a renewed hope.
Understood but there is zero evidence I can see indicating that external hope (which is never a problem) influenced Jerry Jones' recent free agency decisions whatsoever.
 

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So then based on this thread the question becomes a simple one: what happens if this season ends like last season and Dallas fails to get to the NFC Championship or Super Bowl? Does Dallas say it's time to move on from MM? Do they say it's time to move on from Dak?
Blame it on Schottenheimer.
 

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So then based on this thread the question becomes a simple one: what happens if this season ends like last season and Dallas fails to get to the NFC Championship or Super Bowl? Does Dallas say it's time to move on from MM? Do they say it's time to move on from Dak?
These will be the options but it's prolly gonna cost MM his job first before Dak loses his.
 

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Understood but there is zero evidence I can see indicating that external hope (which is never a problem) influenced Jerry Jones' recent free agency decisions whatsoever.
I’m not sure what kind of evidence you’re looking for but the fact he appears to be reacting to the public outcry to be more active in FA would be evidence to me he’s attempting to provide some renewed hope . But that’s my perspective and why I’m presenting it as such.
 

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Bowing out early is the first round Not the 2nd round.

and why are we championship mode or bust? Because of cook? It’s the only thing that has changed.

sf has gotten better and that’s the one team we can’t beat.

our biggest weaknesses on D and O have not been addressed yet.
You are missing the point of what championship or bust represents.

Has nothing to do with our offseason except our owners agenda. It’s about our cumulative playoff record this era.
 
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I dont quite agree with that. We were one of the youngest teams recently and have been drafting really well. We are a very young team, even moreso with the release of Zeke. We added 2 excellent vets but with another draft, we have a very reliable core of players. Superbowl window will be open for quite a while.
 

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I know you weren't saying the trades themselves were a bust, but I think of "championship game or bust" as meaning the moves will have some longer term consequences, so they need to result in a win now to be worthwhile.
No , not at all what I’m saying.
 

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I dont quite agree with that. We were one of the youngest teams recently and have been drafting really well. We are a very young team, even moreso with the release of Zeke. We added 2 excellent vets but with another draft, we have a very reliable core of players. Superbowl window will be open for quite a while.
It may very well be open for awhile.

But with a historical cumulative futility in the playoffs , it doesn’t really matter what we do until we finally get over the hump making it to a championship game.
 

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I kind of realize that’s what you meant after I went back and read it and we agree.

:muttley:

That being said, while they do benefit the team, this all comes down to the QB. We lost because of the QB.
Our weaknesses go well beyond our QB.
 

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Just to clarify the championship mode or bust doesn’t just apply to this season.

After setting a futility mark of most playoffs appearances without a championship appearance our frustration and disappointment will continue until we finally knock the door down.
 

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I’m not sure what kind of evidence you’re looking for but the fact he appears to be reacting to the public outcry to be more active in FA would be evidence to me he’s attempting to provide some renewed hope . But that’s my perspective and why I’m presenting it as such.
Evidence?

a) Jones stating publicly his fans wanted upgrades at corner and wide receiver before trading for both.
b) Jones commenting on fans' public displays of negativity pushing him to 'look harder' at his decision-making. And then taking steps to lessen or eliminate the directed negativity for that reason.

Those are only two possible examples of tangible action and reaction. Your perspective is imagined projection onto what he has actually done. In other words, you have reached for what is not there.



In-stadium fan booing of Prescott early last season has been the only tangible and legitimate causal evidence that can be suggested as a possible attributable motivational factor for Jones. From a logical perspective, it would be extremely difficult tying that type of circumstance with anything Jones has done this offseason. In fact, in relation to your 'perspective of public outcry', Jones would have reacted by making free agency moves in regards to the quarterback position. The only quantifiable acquisition Jones has made for position (so far) was bringing back Rush for ANOTHER go-round. That particularly tiny but documented 'public outcry' was left unaddressed by Jones.

It is alright to hope for something. It is illogical to substantiate something that does not exist no matter how often it is presented into conversation. First, real public outcry must be definable--not imagined. Second, Jones must be observed closely to determine whether any public outcry actually makes him do anything as a result.

At the very least, can one example of establish 'public outcry' be provided? Perhaps then it can be logically debated as anything Jones has been compelled to do during the past few weeks.
 

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Evidence?

a) Jones stating publicly his fans wanted upgrades at corner and wide receiver before trading for both.
b) Jones commenting on fans' public displays of negativity pushing him to 'look harder' at his decision-making. And then taking steps to lessen or eliminate the directed negativity for that reason.

Those are only two possible examples of tangible action and reaction. Your perspective is imagined projection onto what he has actually done. In other words, you have reached for what is not there.



In-stadium fan booing of Prescott early last season has been the only tangible and legitimate causal evidence that can be suggested as a possible attributable motivational factor for Jones. From a logical perspective, it would be extremely difficult tying that type of circumstance with anything Jones has done this offseason. In fact, in relation to your 'perspective of public outcry', Jones would have reacted by making free agency moves in regards to the quarterback position. The only quantifiable acquisition Jones has made for position (so far) was bringing back Rush for ANOTHER go-round. That particularly tiny but documented 'public outcry' was left unaddressed by Jones.

It is alright to hope for something. It is illogical to substantiate something that does not exist no matter how often it is presented into conversation. First, real public outcry must be definable--not imagined. Second, Jones must be observed closely to determine whether any public outcry actually makes him do anything as a result.

At the very least, can one example of establish 'public outcry' be provided? Perhaps then it can be logically debated as anything Jones has been compelled to do during the past few weeks.

I suppose it comes down to our perception and perspective. All I can do is provide mine.I appreciate you providing yours.
 
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