News: Cowboys make generous offers to Triplets

[Diehardblues]

I agree with this, but if you don't pay Dak top 5 QB pay (or close to it), you're going to lose him and any chance of getting close to a Super Bowl with this current talent for years to come. The Cowboys don't have equal or better talent waiting in the wings. Even if they were to use next year's 1st round pick on a QB, it's not a given that QB would turn out to be as good or better than Dak has been the past 3 years. It's easier to replace a very good RB than it is to replace a very good QB, especially in the shortest amount of time.

It is more difficult finding a QB. And I’d agree to signing Dak but not Top 5 money. At least not until I see him better carry this team without all of the Elite supporting cast we won’t be able to maintain if we do overpay him.

And while we don’t have any better options this year we will have options next year in draft and in FA.

 

[JustChip]

Let Zeke walk, strong RB class next year and I trust Alf, Pollard and Weber to tote the rock this year. Bye, Felicia.

That’ll certainly teach him. Hold out when you are only going to get paid $3.8 million and you get penalized by being able to sign a FA deal that will certainly be in the Le’veon /Gurley realm with $35 - $45 million guaranteed. That would be the singular dumbest thing JJ has done in a long list of dumb things.

 

[ondaedg]

That wasn't the question. It was about him "getting paid".

However, you are stating the discussion should not be allowed. How did you come to that conclusion? And why in the world would you even say that on a message board? This is weird, dude.

Lol. Did I say discussion wasn't allowed? Because I don't recall ever saying that nor does my unedited post say that. Talk about weird....

 

[darthseinfeld]

Fish FWIW



"will go up from here" is interesting

 

[kskboys]

Lol. Did I say discussion wasn't allowed? Because I don't recall ever saying that nor does my unedited post say that. Talk about weird....

Yes, you did. Semantics is not a good argument.

 

[DandyDon52]

I agree with this, but if you don't pay Dak top 5 QB pay (or close to it), you're going to lose him and any chance of getting close to a Super Bowl with this current talent for years to come. The Cowboys don't have equal or better talent waiting in the wings. Even if they were to use next year's 1st round pick on a QB, it's not a given that QB would turn out to be as good or better than Dak has been the past 3 years. It's easier to replace a very good RB than it is to replace a very good QB, especially in the shortest amount of time.

Exactly, elliot is the one that is expendable.

The thing is the jones boys have made their offer to all 3, and made it clear none will be highest paid, so they all need to
accept the fair offer or move on to another team.
This is one time I agree with the jones boys, this paying each new contract higher than the last contract elsewhere is insane.
I dont think any of the 3 deserve to be highest paid. They just are not that good.

 

[bsbellomy]

This is really not an argument that needs addressing. Elite athletes that drive a multi billion dollar industry have different standards of earning potential than you or I, *gasp*.

And whether you care what the owners are worth or not is immaterial. They constructed an environment that suppresses earnings, and to their extreme benefit. That’s greed. Should someone be happy and feel fortunate to make a ton of money playing sports? Sure, should they also ignore the massive disparity and take advantage of the brief opportunity to make as much of their actual worth as possible? Absolutely.

and while you’re painting the sunshine only picture of professional football, don’t forget about the insane physical toll it takes, CTE and the like.

agents are absolutely the hidden scumbags though, agreed.

Are you arguing against a salary cap? Because it seems like you are arguing against a salary cap. You can do that but it'd be about a senseless of as thing as you can do.

 

[NumOneQB]

They’re all going to get paid and sign. Zeke just wants to avoid the extra beatings of training camp. He’ll show up when camp is over.

 

[Starforever]

What is the Cowboy's definition of generous? Slater, is reporting from one side of the negotiation. I would like to hear from the agent's side. Top five for Zeke is insulting; unless, there are a few incentive clauses (conduct). It may be fine for Amari and Dak, but come on Jones Family.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Exactly, elliot is the one that is expendable.

The thing is the jones boys have made their offer to all 3, and made it clear none will be highest paid, so they all need to
accept the fair offer or move on to another team.
This is one time I agree with the jones boys, this paying each new contract higher than the last contract elsewhere is insane.
I dont think any of the 3 deserve to be highest paid. They just are not that good.

Totally agree. My only issue is with the new franchise record contract they gave DE Dlaw. That was too much for a player with an injury history and who disappeared later in the season, plus the playoffs, last year. Now, Zeke, Dak and Cooper are using Dlaw's overpaid new contract as the standard to demand top overall pay as well. Big mistake by Jerry and Stephen in my opinion.

 

[JoeKing]

Let Zeke walk, strong RB class next year and I trust Alf, Pollard and Weber to tote the rock this year. Bye, Felicia.

Zeke can rot in hell.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah, but as we all know, the devil is in the details, or more specifically, the devil is in the guarantees.

That's true and that's actually the point I've been trying to make myself. Zeke's rookie contract was almost fully guaranteed so he really did have very good contract. As for his follow on deal, I don't see Jerry trying to screw him on his money there either. I mean, the reality is that Jerry has said that Zeke will get paid. I fully believe that Jerry will do that. I just think that Zeke is not, and can not be the priority right now. Both Dak and Coop are more pressing, in terms of time. Zeke will get his money if he would be patient but he is not doing that and it's going to cost him IMO. His deal will not be as good as it would be if he would have given Jerry more time to hammer out deals with the other two. Just can't give three record deals for three different positions in the same season.

 

[davidariust24]

“NFL Network's Jane Slater reported Tuesday that the Dallas Cowboys have "generous" offers on the table for Dak Prescott, Amari Cooper and Ezekiel Elliott, that would put each one in the top five at their positions, per a source.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...s-have-generous-offers-for-dak-elliott-cooper

I'd match Zeke with the highest paid in the league and if I did give him more it's only incentives that would be nullified if trouble off the field happens.

 

[Diehardblues]

That's true and that's actually the point I've been trying to make myself. Zeke's rookie contract was almost fully guaranteed so he really did have very good contract. As for his follow on deal, I don't see Jerry trying to screw him on his money there either. I mean, the reality is that Jerry has said that Zeke will get paid. I fully believe that Jerry will do that. I just think that Zeke is not, and can not be the priority right now. Both Dak and Coop are more pressing, in terms of time. Zeke will get his money if he would be patient but he is not doing that and it's going to cost him IMO. His deal will not be as good as it would be if he would have given Jerry more time to hammer out deals with the other two. Just can't give three record deals for three different positions in the same season.

I agree but you have to go with what confronts you. Elliott’s hold out changed everything.

Good news is Cooper can definitely wait. He’s due over 13 million this year and appears patient to see how others are paid before signing his new contract.

Dak could actually wait until later as well.

Unfortunately Elliott has turned up the clock on his situation which I think is a good move for him not us. But could be good for us long term since he will be younger when this new contact matures.

The only one we have to pay now if we want him to play is Elliott. Which should be our immediate priority now. Which it appears to be.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree but you have to go with what confronts you. Elliott’s hold out changed everything.

Good news is Cooper can definitely wait. He’s due over 13 million this year and appears patient to see how others are paid before signing his new contract.

Dak could actually wait until later as well.

Unfortunately Elliott has turned up the clock on his situation which I think is a good move for him not us. But could be good for us long term since he will be younger when this new contact matures.

The only one we have to pay now if we want him to play is Elliott. Which should be our immediate priority now. Which it appears to be.

What confronts the Cowboys is that Dak is up after this year. If Dak signs else where, then the Cowboys have another issue. Cooper is also up, after this year and not only up, he is unrestricted so that is the absolute worst situation for the Cowboys. The Market for him will explode and the Cowboys will end up having to pay him a crazy amount of money in a bidding war. They have to get him signed and signed for probably more then they expected at the beginning of the season. They can go out and find a capable RB but you can't go out and find a WR who can step in and produce in the passing game. Those guys are usually not plentiful and they don't usually hit the open market. You gotta draft those guys and develop them, which is really why their market is so much higher then a RBs is. I hear people saying that the league is so unfair to RBs because the don't get paid much. Well, this is why. You can go out and get a capable back, it won't be Zeke, but it will be somebody you can work your offense through. You can't do that with a QB or a WR. They take a lot of time to develop and that's why they get paid so much more IMO. No, Zeke is not the priority here. He is a kid who can't wait for supper. Dak and Cooper are the priorities here and to me, it's not even really close.

 

[Diehardblues]

What confronts the Cowboys is that Dak is up after this year. If Dak signs else where, then the Cowboys have another issue. Cooper is also up, after this year and not only up, he is unrestricted so that is the absolute worst situation for the Cowboys. The Market for him will explode and the Cowboys will end up having to pay him a crazy amount of money in a bidding war. They have to get him signed and signed for probably more then they expected at the beginning of the season. They can go out and find a capable RB but you can't go out and find a WR who can step in and produce in the passing game. Those guys are usually not plentiful and they don't usually hit the open market. You gotta draft those guys and develop them, which is really why their market is so much higher then a RBs is. I hear people saying that the league is so unfair to RBs because the don't get paid much. Well, this is why. You can go out and get a capable back, it won't be Zeke, but it will be somebody you can work your offense through. You can't do that with a QB or a WR. They take a lot of time to develop and that's why they get paid so much more IMO. No, Zeke is not the priority here. He is a kid who can't wait for supper. Dak and Cooper are the priorities here and to me, it's not even really close.

I understand and that might be true for most teams in the league but I don’t think it will be for Jerry.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I understand and that might be true for most teams in the league but I don’t think it will be for Jerry.

I actually think that it will be even more true for us. I don't believe Dak is a QB who can play at the level we would need him to without a WR like Cooper. He needs a guy who can run the kind of routes that Cooper can, can get the separation Cooper can and can get deep like Cooper and those guys are not plentiful. We've seen what happens when he doesn't have that guy. He holds the ball too long because he won't throw guys open. You can give him all the time in the world but he just won't do it and I get that. On the other hand, I believe in our OLs ability to open holes in the run game, if Dak can prove he can throw the ball. Zeke is top 3 or 4 in the league, for sure. I wouldn't argue if you said he was one or four. But I don't believe you need that in our offense as much as you need a QB or a WR like Cooper. I mean, if you wanted to say that we could do it with another QB, I might be able to understand that point of view. I believe that another QB could come into Dallas and be successful here, I truly do. But the problem is that I don't think Jerry has any intention of entertaining that idea so Dak, is essentially, a given. If Dak is a given, then Cooper must be and that leaves Zeke as the piece that is most easily replaced IMO.

 

[Diehardblues]

I actually think that it will be even more true for us. I don't believe Dak is a QB who can play at the level we would need him to without a WR like Cooper. He needs a guy who can run the kind of routes that Cooper can, can get the separation Cooper can and can get deep like Cooper and those guys are not plentiful. We've seen what happens when he doesn't have that guy. He holds the ball too long because he won't throw guys open. You can give him all the time in the world but he just won't do it and I get that. On the other hand, I believe in our OLs ability to open holes in the run game, if Dak can prove he can throw the ball. Zeke is top 3 or 4 in the league, for sure. I wouldn't argue if you said he was one or four. But I don't believe you need that in our offense as much as you need a QB or a WR like Cooper. I mean, if you wanted to say that we could do it with another QB, I might be able to understand that point of view. I believe that another QB could come into Dallas and be successful here, I truly do. But the problem is that I don't think Jerry has any intention of entertaining that idea so Dak, is essentially, a given. If Dak is a given, then Cooper must be and that leaves Zeke as the piece that is most easily replaced IMO.

I totally agree Dak is a given and I think Cooper is too.

But I also think Jerry believes Elliott is as well. Elliott is just a bigger priority at that moment since he’s holding out.

I think he’ll sign all three. Perhaps not in the order you’d prefer.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I totally agree Dak is a given and I think Cooper is too.

But I also think Jerry believes Elliott is as well. Elliott is just a bigger priority at that moment since he’s holding out.

I think he’ll sign all three. Perhaps not in the order you’d prefer.

You want to know what I think? I think that if any three of these players were going to get a record breaking contract, it would have been Zeke. I think that Jerry knows that he has to get Dak done but I don't think that Jerry was ever going to pay Dak a record deal. I think that Jerry also knows that he has to get Cooper done and it's basically the same scenario. With Zeke, I think that Jerry had time and if Zeke would have simply showed patients, Jerry would have paid him the highest contract in the League, for a RB. But because Zeke will not be patient, he's going to get something else because the Cowboys can not afford to not get Dak and Cooper signed. It's interesting because that creates more leverage for each of those players against the team but actually lessons the leverage that Zeke has with the team, in terms of demanding money. To me, this is a really bad move by Zeke but hey, his agent needs the money apparently.

 

[uvaballa]

Yeah. Would rather keep the best RB in the league with the Cowboys.

Don’t really like over paying guys with suspension and off field issues. Seems kind of risky. The Jonathan Taylor kid may be as good or better RB than Zeke.