Cowboys "Neglected" QBs before/after Aikman retired

[GimmeTheBall!]

So we all know drafting QB's is a crapshoot. Knowing that, it's better to do nothing than to try beating the odds?

You are so correct it be a crapshoot. It become even more off a crapshoot whe we pick QBs in he 4th or 5th round.

AND LIKEYOU SAY WE CANNOT JUST DO NUTHING.

SELECTING CORNERS AND LINEMEN CAN BE A CRAPSHOOT TOO. YET WEE ALWAYS SEEM READY TO ROLL DAS DICE ON NON-QUARTERBACKS SO FOR A CHANGE LETS ROLL THE DICE ON A QB IN THE 1ST OR 2ND ROUND. THE WAY I READ THIS SEASON UNFOLDING I FIGURE WE WILL PICK IN THE DRAFT IN ZER TOP 12.

 

[burmafrd]

Troy Aikman retired in 2000
Tony Romo was signed in 2003

Never understood why people think we went through years and years looking for a QB

the six years between 2000 and 2006. That is too many years.

 

[burmafrd]

If it weren't for Sean Payton, there would have been no Romo..

During those years the FO was gushing about Drew Henson and Chad Hutchinson and Bledsoe and Carter...

Sean Payton spotted him and convinced BP that this kid had potential. And then BP was able to protect Romo during the Henson love affair that Jerruh had.

 

[khiladi]

Sean Payton spotted him and convinced BP that this kid had potential. And then BP was able to protect Romo during the Henson love affair that Jerruh had.

I don't even know if spot is the right word. Payton was from Romo's alma mater. Word was that Payton was on the table begging that he be taken.

Payton wanted him when he left for the Saints, before Romo took a snap in a real game.

 

[burmafrd]

I don't even know if spot is the right word. Payton was from Romo's alma mater. Word was that Payton was on the table begging that he be taken.

Payton wanted him when he left for the Saints, before Romo took a snap in a real game.

I think you give a little too much credence to the same school thing. From what I have understood Payton barely knew of Romo's existence before some unnamed scout talked him up. BUT once he did take a look he saw what potential he had. I think BP too though of course gunslinger QBs are not something he has ever really liked.

 

[jrumann59]

If nothing else, this provides an interesting exercise in realizing just how risky the odds are in obtaining a truly exceptional QB in most drafts. The level of risk far outweighs the level of success, so it seems (and to think we're probably headed straight for these treacherous paths in the near future.) It's a path that must be traveled, though.

Back then yes, and up and until the end of the last CBA. Back then you had to hit because of the amount of cap space dedicated to a top tier position like QB in the draft. With the new CBA you really only on lose 1 pick if you are smart about it, yes it will be top tier pick but the cap ramifications are a lot less. If you spent a 1st on a highly touted QB now there is no "need" to hand them the starting gig as quickly. Ryan Leaf probably would have turned out better if he played behind an established QB instead of given the keys and to a dysfunctional franchise that had a history of running through QBs. The flipside is today's young QBs coming out of college are junk when it comes to the ins and outs of football. Most have been running HS playbooks since HS and have no idea how to read a defense with any real meaningful success.

 

[khiladi]

I think you give a little too much credence to the same school thing. From what I have understood Payton barely knew of Romo's existence before some unnamed scout talked him up. BUT once he did take a look he saw what potential he had. I think BP too though of course gunslinger QBs are not something he has ever really liked.

I don't know man.. Both these guys were record setters at E. Illinois and legends. Romo was the only player to have his number retired there.

I'm sure Payton was taking an interest in his alma mater in general... Supposedly, during the draft Sean kept informing Romo of the Cowboy's interest, meaning communication channels were there.

http://m.providencejournal.com/article/20151008/SPORTS/151009435

 

[Doomsday101]

I think one thing that hurt Dallas when Troy left was Dallas was in cap hell, they did not have the means to payout big money to QB. Even drafting a top prospect with no rookie cap in place was more than Dallas could do. This why we saw guys like Tony Banks and drafted Quincy Carter. This time around when the time comes at least there is a rookie cap in place and our cap will be in much better shape

 

[starman22]

oooo i hope we do because it worked out so well the first time. I think the team shoud just assume the player will live and play for eternity. Because you know , hey QBs never die right? Nor get hurt or anything bad happen.

and before anything thinks they are smart and ask "what would you do?"

Simple you blathering moron, you keep drafting Qbs til you hit. Thats whaty they did before, thats what you keep doing. Because draftng TEs in the second round keeps paying off. Yes, no matter how little draft picks you have, 1 has to go to a qb. Deal with it. Like the mere fact the sun will come out tomorrow, I know, this still shocks people, Qb in the draft.

I liked this post because of the simple fact that we have taken so many tight ends in the second and passed them off to other teams. It will likely happen again with the TE's that we have now that have not really helped us win much.
I'm not going to check on it, but my guess is that there were QB's taken after our TE picks that would have proven valuable either for backup duty and learning from Romo or as trade bait for picks in later years.

 

[DFWJC]

I don't even know if spot is the right word. Payton was from Romo's alma mater. Word was that Payton was on the table begging that he be taken.

Payton wanted him when he left for the Saints, before Romo took a snap in a real game.

Yep. Both Shanahan and Payton liked Romo.
Even they knew he was a bit of a project though. But it was surprising he went undrafted.
I think Parcels said 13 teams were after him as a UDFA, but the two main ones considered were Denver and Dallas. Denver actually offered more but he went to Dallas instead.

 

[Amy50632]

Yep. Both Shanahan and Payton liked Romo.
Even they knew he was a bit of a project though. But it was surprising he went undrafted.
I think Parcels said 13 teams were after him as a UDFA, but the two main ones considered were Denver and Dallas. Denver actually offered more but he went to Dallas instead.

Tony and the Dallas Cowboys were meant to be.

 

[DC Cowboy]

If nothing else, this provides an interesting exercise in realizing just how risky the odds are in obtaining a truly exceptional QB in most drafts. The level of risk far outweighs the level of success, so it seems (and to think we're probably headed straight for these treacherous paths in the near future.) It's a path that must be traveled, though.

I like this post. Think about it, there are 32 teams in the league but there are only 5-6 top tier QB's.

 

[DC Cowboy]

Yep. Both Shanahan and Payton liked Romo.
Even they knew he was a bit of a project though. But it was surprising he went undrafted.
I think Parcels said 13 teams were after him as a UDFA, but the two main ones considered were Denver and Dallas. Denver actually offered more but he went to Dallas instead.

Question, can't we bring Showers alone the same way we did with Romo? ( I admit he is not ready now but I liked what I saw in him)

 

[DC Cowboy]

I'll say this like I did in another thread I think the QB landscape has changed dramatically. IE You actually MIGHT be able to find a future franchise QB in the mid to late rounds these days like you never have before. Why? Bc College QBing SUCKS these days. With the spread offense and UTTER lack of development when it comes to reading a defense there are kids who are being held back in their respective college offenses from finding out if they can hack the position or not. And these days most college coaches trot out QBs who rely on their legs and "athletic ability" more than their brains b/c you don't need brains more often than not in the new trendier offenses. I read an article where Pro scouts have lamented "interviewing" prospect QBs and quizzing them on how they would react in certain situations/defenses only to receive a blank stare.

Therefore, I think there are more gems in the later rounds than ever before. They are just undeveloped. I think it's fine to really do the due diligence to look at kids who may not be STARS in the college world but perhaps display at least some potential to bring them in and groom them. College QB play for the most part is awful these days. My opinion and makes me sad.

Something about this statement is rubbing me the wrong way but I won't comment any further.

 

[DFWJC]

Question, can't we bring Showers alone the same way we did with Romo? ( I admit he is not ready now but I liked what I saw in him)

They do seem to be at the stage where maybe a 3rd guy behind the starter and vet backup is in play. They were trying to do that with Tanner and some others already.
In the case of Showers, it'll depend on what they think of him overall...and also if they like him better than Moore.
I think both those guys have some good intangibles.

But yeah, I'll be surprised if we don't carry 3 QBs on the roster next year.

 

[silver]

I don't know man.. Both these guys were record setters at E. Illinois and legends. Romo was the only player to have his number retired there.

I'm sure Payton was taking an interest in his alma mater in general... Supposedly, during the draft Sean kept informing Romo of the Cowboy's interest, meaning communication channels were there.

http://m.providencejournal.com/article/20151008/SPORTS/151009435

nice read. thanks for sharing

 

[HoustonSucks]

Something about this statement is rubbing me the wrong way but I won't comment any further.

Pretty straight forward. Again, I read an article where the scouts have said most QBs coming out of college can't read a D and stare at them blankly when asked. So read into whatever you please.

 

[Clarkson]

It's just extremely difficult to find franchise QBs. That's all it comes down to.

 

[Bullflop]

Back then yes, and up and until the end of the last CBA. Back then you had to hit because of the amount of cap space dedicated to a top tier position like QB in the draft. With the new CBA you really only on lose 1 pick if you are smart about it, yes it will be top tier pick but the cap ramifications are a lot less. If you spent a 1st on a highly touted QB now there is no "need" to hand them the starting gig as quickly. Ryan Leaf probably would have turned out better if he played behind an established QB instead of given the keys and to a dysfunctional franchise that had a history of running through QBs. The flipside is today's young QBs coming out of college are junk when it comes to the ins and outs of football. Most have been running HS playbooks since HS and have no idea how to read a defense with any real meaningful success.

True but the risk that mainly concerned me was the odds of actually hitting the jackot w/regards to the QB a team picks. The financial risk surely isn't as great as it was years ago but the odds of being successful, are more of a longshot than ever, partly due to what you've noted as their increasing lack of NFL readiness now. The odds of getting a talented "savior" at that position is slimmer than ever, especially with so many teams vying for that special QB who can either make or break his team as a winner or loser.

 

[Bullflop]

I like this post. Think about it, there are 32 teams in the league but there are only 5-6 top tier QBs.

That's one of the things that I hate about the expansion era and having so many teams. There's just not enough talent to spread among so many teams and still maintain the quality of play. Of course, the league adores the money-making aspect of it and may very well never stop their efforts to continue expanding. Soon, other countries will get involved and it'll only get harder to acquire similar levels of talent that existed before.