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CCBoy;3098347 said:
I'm sorry, I thought part of the function here was discussion of elements

It is, but you make it very hard to follow you, despite how clear you may sound in your head.

...and my purpose HAS been established for this thread.
In your eyes...but apparently, I'm not the only one who has difficulty following you. You can state over and over how clear you are being, but that doesn't make it so. Just look at the majority of responses to this thread.

You want a complete blow by blow imput of observed clarity on a broad spectrum of things...and when YOU miss the humor of the expressed credability...and your focus on subject is lost. I expressed in terms of talk. Not the format of a lecture or even a defined article. I added my perspective...which IS the start of a discussion. That there is refusal to approach the real topic lines does not discredit subject matter...and when the sole reference of credibility is presentation format and NOT validity of subject...then you are expressing a class filled stereotype instead of exchange of information. I'm not a ring tapper and don't attempt to comply with that ease of convenience. I don't have any such problem in associating directly to topic and evolving my thought process to dealing with subject and NOT format...sorry you have so many hangups. I'm NOT a ring tapper...don't like the message, ignore it. As to insulting others...nope, sorry, addressed specific issues as expressed. Nope, didn't include sterotyped association as to means of presentment as well. Don't like finished thoughts in conflict, search out the perfect world that expresses directly in compliance with your desires, not discussion.
I don't normally have a problem adjusting my communication style to fit the person I have a discussion with. There is not need to directly comply with my desires. However, I am offering you suggestions as to what may make it easier to express your point on these forums. Take it or leave it, but realize that you haven't actually caused much discussion on your subject, likely because you are hard to follow.

To point, football was directly addressed by myself...and it's NOT my job to go out and seek and fetch stats and underlying information that you yourself don't offer for comparative value. That is more atuned to Dog, go fetch...sorry...not into a Kennel Ration routine. Try another dog...
I'm not asking you to fetch stats. I'm asking you to flesh out your initial post with methodologies that describe how your reference came up with their lists.

plenty of football was offered, and if non-acceptance of a single stat and style of expression is YOUR stumbling block, go into public education...and then establish your credabilities as such. I don't give up my sense of expression due to format. This still is America, and I happen to be a fan who weathered the Cowboys becoming America's team...sorry. Talk football, or I'll just quit with the thread. Your football, so prove YOUR point.
Quit the thread then. It's obviously not leading to any relevant discussion, largely because of your communication deficits.

For the record, I finished college as well as a career both in the Army and in public service...but I'm NOT a preppie in compliance.
Good for you. This is the second time you've stated this. Thank you for your service. I am not here to compare e-peens, but I will say that my history is similar to yours. What's your point?

Hopefully, we can get back on topic now, whatever it is. Humor me and make it a little easier for some of us illiterate types to digest.

There is nothing inherently wrong with a long post. Just read any of Hostile's "A Touch of Hostility" posts. They are always easy to read, well thought out, and well organized. However, your posts really do tend to wander and it really does make it hard to pick out exactly what you want to talk about. No disrespect meant by that either, I'm just telling you how it is.
 

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CCBoy;3098273 said:
Here you miss completely on application of cross comparisons, which included application of underlying principals for comparison. Gee, horses can come in different colors without confusing sight...

Comparisons are meaningless without a consistent methodology, which you have yet to lay forth.
 

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You still haven't made it to base...substituting wit for purpose. Then ignoring volumn of topic to develop your perspective. You have offered nothing, added nothing, and yet, arrived at a conclusion. Never touching upon what was plainly presented, and then IGNORED by yourself.

I merely asked a question. And I did so without a hint of pretense or condescension. If I've "arrived at a conclusion," it's only because you continue to hide from my question behind pretentious diction.

1. I went gathering from a published article, by The Sporting News, current evaluations of winning attributes in today's NFL quarterbacks. That alone would have been a wealth for discussion. This I DID the labor and care to first take from a magazine, and then bring to site, AFTER typing up the information for your benefit.

2. I then, for discussion benefits, brought to this thread a specific application of THAT information. As a general indicator which had been established -

that there was, not DUE to Tony Romo being included on one specified topic of strength, a GENERAL value of many eyes observing the actual play and accomplishments this season. They already applied a value interpretation that WAS brought to the table. Not to look smart or prove ANYTHING....but to show that there were reasons WHY Tony Romo had been floundering when all the direction of this very Dallas Cowboy team had been set about HIS shoulders to carry and lead. Go back to the initial posting and look over what strengths were NOT top of the line as observed in game conditions. Now stat sheets are handing, by relying on them solely is WHY those previous Cowboys disappeared in a game such as Philadelphia last season.

3. This does NOT imply that discussion of a single affecting attribute is without value. That is relevant, but has to be incorporated into a broader and referenced subject group...which the initial posting touched base with.

That would first require discussion...but involves developing up a thread's topic, and not merely trouble shooting to look smart on a specific aspect of debate. I never breached the positive or negative aspects in my initial queries touching thread topic up until now.

4. I even added that how Tony Romo is handled and directed by Wade Phillips, and subsequently by Jason Garrett is very relavent in the now. This can well be SEEN by fans in how the team goes about business and progresses from here to the end of THIS season.

That is VERY relevant, and never once touched upon by yourself...as you are too busy trying to look smart and not shouldering the burden of establishing perspectives, got THAT concept yet? I have touched upon perspective as thread development progresses...and why Adam tried to poop on my initial post. He came bearing a 'glorius' stat, that really didn't dominate the topic that I initially laid out....direction! Adam is a fine poster, with years of credability...but here, he came to a galant defense of Tony Romo and against what he was perceiving as a negative poster here to stir waters. He was wrong...as I was going to general observation and attempting to provide discernable insights developed through dialogue, to ease the tendency for some fans and media to push their own time tables and agendas of acceptability.

5. The story of this Dallas Cowboys' team is far from written. The Cowboys at their present record are as credable as any of the other contenders in the NFC East. One of these teams WILL be in the playoffs. People have tended to over analyze any and everything concerning them, and not realisticly debated and discussed the directions of development that have been and continue to be sources of direction and strength for this team. Not all is an ill advised step child fawned by Jerry Jones and directed by a cupcake and sugar induced insulin depleted Wade Phillips. There have been and continue to be many things of a positive nature going on and around this team.

I wasn't attempting to reach nirvahna, as you proclaim, but going directly to debate, and discussion to develop a thread's topic. Although a single view of a specific aspect has been produced, and then strained continually to approach sophistication of futility, the topic still deserves insight and continued perspective over time.

6. I took the topic directly to Tony Romo, and to the fundamental accountability of him, then Wade Phillips, and ultimately Jerry Jones included, in an analytical basis.....right there!

The team was adapted to maximize the potential of Tony Romo.

7. Now, it remains to see how that goes....

8. AdamJT13 bringing in a very interesting group of statistics, NOWHERE breaches the topic presented and slowly developed. It itself, did not approach what it was presented to defend, but DID point out a strength of Romo. That can THEN be used to develop a realistic and MEASUREABLE direction of conduct...but NOT limited to that single indicator. That type of indicator is good ONLY when associated with a group of indicators, if one is considering present team direction.

9. If I WERE to make an assessment independent of what was presented as being the publications view, and then put into perspective by myself, to gain a potential direction...WITH discussion and debate, then I would say that Tony is STILL growing within the constraints of this Dallas Cowboy team. He is a strong quarterback, that has shown, as when he went for a glitzy girlfriend, that he makes personal mistakes in his role. That isn't good, but can be recovered from. He was TOLD by Bill Parcells of the tripfalls in making BAD habits. Bad habits have to be stopped, then REPLACED. The evaluations that were presented, SHOW that the end result is NOT where this team hopes and even anticipates will be the end result. That IS shown, and was done quite adequately by my additions of discussion. No, that wasn't dribble and misdirection, by concise and applied direction, trying NOT to dominate a potential for debate and discussion, as was EXPRESSED in my first added post.

To take this back to the criteria of a site strong posting:

This team is growing through having to address and be challenged by very good offenses, and then more recently, by this year's very dominant defenses. That is a growth process, but the team still has succeeded by having gained control of the NFC East.

This is not a minor achievement at the halfway mark in the season. That establishes a credability, whether it is acknowledged as such or not. That IS part of the analytical process, and not just APPLICATION of a cherry picked stat grouping. Stat sheets can be offered all day, but would continue to be dry and uninteresting reads...ultimately time consuming and missing the mark due to sustained direction, and not doing what I try to do...arrive at conclusion on topic, not style and people involved in the process.

Back to subject, Tony has shown that he is resiliant and up to here, never shunned listening, studying, and continuing to work his posterior anatomical body part off, to change. Well, it's time again.

Kurt Warner had to gain his sophisticated skills, by drilling both quickness in delivery and also accuracy. When completely focused, as with the all or nothing adrenaline situations, Tony is able to, when his mental process is clear, to pin point and deliver on target and timely throws. He is successful in a generalized direction at leadership. He has been successful, except in high pressure games. He has YET to put that aspect on the carpet and make it more than wishful anticipation on the part of fans. He still has THAT part of the road to walk through.

Well guess what? That part of the journey is about to commence, following the final bridge of transitioning, Thursday against the Raiders. He has one more 'dress rehearsal' from which to establish his own sense of proportion, direction, and strength from which to attack and survive what is approaching afterwards. He will be facing teams with BOTH very strong defenses AND very strong offenses, going into the black and blue month of December.

What does this mean...this, the gate of opportunity is NOW opening. We have full view of potential. Who can affect HOW Tony responds and develops through this gate. He has a lot of strengths from which to draw, and a lot of skill himself....but as the past denotes...the product is NOT finished yet.
Not once in this self-serving, bloated monologue do you offer anything resembling a valid methodology, be it qualitative or quantitative, for ranking quarterbacks.

Given your affection for Shakespeare, I suggest you read Hamlet, and pay special attention to the character Polonius. His monologue regarding 'wit' and its ties to 'brevity' is both ironic and pertinent to our discussion here.
 

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This is one of the funniest threads I've ever seen here! I have no idea what its about, but its funny!!!
 

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PBJTime, and ScipioCowboy...what you offer is the apex of agendas. You say format is NOT a stumbling block to both of you, yet fall all over yourselves to NOT see what was presented. That no where gives passage to insights of literature or even applications, as you fool yourself as to inherent value and even insights of others. You are so ingrained with your own value and self worth, you fail to see that there are many areas yourselves DON'T cross or even have realistic and applied working relationships to even give brain space. To yourselves, it involves purely a braincramp because you deny premises offered and would rather listen to abstract concepts and pontificate just how sophisticated that is with regards to personal bias....whooopie!

You both fall all over yourselves so intensely you fail to see the real credability involved with my initial posting...let me point out the truth, that is lost in your endless stereotype of insult. This while trying to transfer some sort of hocus pocus guilt trip for not complying with a very formal as well as archaic, stereotyped format for thought process and speech. As if you can EVEN begin to comprehend Old English, from which Shakespeare took roots.

Now, looooookie here, again, what YOU state as mumlie pegs, is just the perspective of coming out of your form of abusive slander, and then taking it back to subject matter which in fact, YOU BOTH run from the discussion of which. You keep on staring up in space...who knows, maybe an alien will lead your narrow and strictly limited eyesight upon the promised land...in the mean time, here's the real deal, which you both have no clue of which:

I posted this thread on Sunday morning....BEFORE the game was even played. This was before Tony Romo laid his SECOND consecutive egg. Now, you ask what relevance was the entire posting? Who is really playing the dumb card here? The team went from a loss at 17-SEVEN....to that all important win, at SEVEN to six. Yep, advance to the rear WITH that final series starcluster...

Private tutorship will cost you big bucks in the future, as phycological hangups have to be addressed with both of you. You try so hard to have someone teach you as to types of trees and their useage, that after someone tells you that an Oak is a hard tree, that you can't even find a forrest stretched out as far as another's eye can see...yea, go put some overly dramatic School boy class topic into a description to try and explain my ineptness and untenable effort...



Yep, I brought sources outside of a single QB rating at the close of halves...and a style that STILL doesn't COMPLY with your uptight standard of pinkie raised eloquence...and it won't...as that part is NOT yours to chose.

If that is the strength of YOUR convictions, then look who's being the fool, as who really is busting their posteriors to race back to continue their unrestrained assault upon style, AFTER stating that it was not a stumbling block....:lmao2:

Now, using your analytical approach, since you BOTH state that I am afraid to put credability on the line, YOU apply anything that YOU have presented to the credability of Tony Romo beyond some magical two minute period; for that matter, stand on what football you have even attempted up to here.

No, you make a poor tutor, yet imply you have vast experience. But don't appreciate when another states his format is already quite agreeable with himself.

You NOWHERE approach topic yet are assenine enough to think, although an explanation of why such a format in opening the thread was approached. No, where the high ground of both your choice plainly states instead to the contrary of what YOU stated....and then chose to ignore that as well as topic as you both try to impose your own preferences. Then have the audacity to state intent is what is needed, and provide nothing more a preppie association. So what? :cool:

Neither of you two have hit topic yet...hey, and you think responding to lame acts at instruction makes efforts tooled, acceptable. NO, you didn't hit topic once, in multiple postings. Care to try some more? :lmao:

Let's see, BEFORE the game, I offered an insight that Tony Romo was off in his mechanics, and he goes out and does the very same thing for the second STRAIGHT game. Now, then was offerred a retort of HOW STRONG his closing abilities were. Hey, let's look at this specific bit of info, but APPLY the analytical approach. Maybe instead of sniffing that Shakespeare goblie de **** up so intensely, there should be ample efforts to use simple associative qualities in reasoning. More vain efforts to simile rather than topic related analysis does you little good apparently. Now, quickly do a spell check on format and then see if you can't cast a shadow on a work by your own stance, and NEVER TOUCH topic.

You NEVER even saw the time line involved, again, instead of redirecting what is discussed, you are being lead around, and are still stuck on your declared non-entity, style.

Let's apply some of MY principals here, and just SEE how rocket science induced your English motiff survives:

1. I do ALL the work presented with your and my postings - of evaluating tendencies of Tony Romo, NOT restricted to two minutes of a game...where very little change can occur to game directions.

You imply by not addressing issuethat a total lack of knowledge, if your own sense of lacking elements were applied, has been proven. Yet, YOU PRESENT NOTHING in conflict to the initial topic on thread. Instead, now in unison, have attempted to steal an entire thread with your self appointed crusade on right diction and style. Get a life of your OWN.

2. Your whole stance was that I didn't counter a stat with more stats...and yourselves did NOT even attempt to touch upon MY topic and inclusive features for discussion...heck, you never even attempted to pinpoint what it was included in those stated aspects.

Scared to match up to the topic at hand?

Now, don't be so self-serving to suggest that what was presented could NOT have been understood, if the cavalier of a biased critic had not been the sole effort. Who died and left you in charge of common sense without even attempting to touch topic? Now that's an alliteration!

You say that I did NOT understand the relevance of those majestic two minutes and there intense value. You state that I am unobjective because I didn't rush to some foreign concept and provide a negative counter to what was ALREADY an abstract tool.

That would be all too easy to do...just go to this year, and point out the number of last minute successes that did NOT happen and that alone would knock the dogpoo out of that feature's applicability to what is going on now...

3. But the clincher to the total ignoring of subject lies in that after stating that the Sporting News class evaluations showed something lacking in Tony Romo, and then the game occurred...exactly what I was talking about, REOCCURRED!

THAT WAS MISSED BY THE TWO OF YOU...maybe you should spend a thousand bucks LISTENING to someone ELSES stat sheet, and figure out how everything is fine and dandy....just don't try and spend all of them wooden nickles at once!!:laugh2:

Now, let's SEE the strength of your Shakespearean simile...maybe YOU would like to step up to the plate and offer INSIGHT as to what WILL be the direction of that same Tony Romo THIS Thanksgiving...come on! YOU CHICKEN?

Don't even be naive enough to question format and additionally imply YOUR lack of understanding to THIS challenge....to YOU!! Smart guys, huh...YOU PROVE IT!! This doesn't include diction, language, or style...you know, apply common sense and saying something other than you didn't like delivery. Get to TOPIC!! Try talking about that, instead of trying to show how good taste Charlie has....
 

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ScipioCowboy;3099682 said:
Comparisons are meaningless without a consistent methodology, which you have yet to lay forth.

Let's see...:lmao2: maybe when the Lord sent his angel to a donkey and and the donkey saw him. With raised sword ready to slay the donkey's master, the angel had the donkey's eye.

Now, the master started to beat and belittle the donkey for not budging further.

Maybe he whispered into that donkey's ear, to improve upon his communicable skills and develop consistency in applying the master's own methods.....rather than being merely a jackarse.

After a while of abusing his beast, the man looked up and then HE saw the angel of the Lord about to slay HIM if HE took but one more step....:bow:


To think that some aren't aware that there is intelligence even in a beast of burden...and some here might even ridicule in others what they propose and fail to prove themselves, as if needed. They are too lazy to undertake that labor, even if it would be, as with the donkey, but standing still. And that applies back to Tony Romo! :laugh1:
 

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CCBoy;3099912 said:
Let's see...:lmao2: maybe when the Lord sent his angel to a donkey and and the donkey saw him. With raised sword ready to slay the donkey's master, the angle had the donkey's eye. Now, the master started to beat and belittle the donkey for not budging further.

Maybe he whispered into that donkey's ear, to improve upon his communicable skills and develop consistency in apply the master's own methods.....rather than being merely a jackarse.

After a while of abusing his beast, the man up and then HE saw the angel of the Lord about to slay HIM if took but one more step....:bow:


To think that some aren't aware that there is intelligence even in a beast of burden...and some even what others to prove what they themselves are too lazy to undertake, even if it be but standing still. :laugh1:

He asked for methodology, and still you evade the question with endless irrelevant prattle. You are providing immense clarity, without providing any directly at all.
 

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CCBoy;3098139 said:
It wasn't intended or even offered in the vein of a Shakespearean quality or reference....FIRST.

It was presented as an ironic humor that has qualities that a simple mind and apprediation would have from an art form by Red Skelton or even Cantiflas...but you are so sophisticated in your understanding. Ever watch the cup twirling and fine scene in the most recent rendering of Tombstone? No, that wasn't from the 'old English' stock and language source either.

Did you mean: appreciation Top 2 results shown
 

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SaltwaterServr;3099913 said:
He asked for methodology, and still you evade the question with endless irrelevant prattle. You are providing immense clarity, without providing any directly at all.

Again, nothing is offered for discussion, yet high ground is being claimed in rebuttal. The premise of direction was never challenged...so why should I be scurrying for shelter behind some fancy dan stat. You do some work here, instead of chunking a rock and NOT discussing lack of proof. Proof was offered before it even happened and it did happen. What are YOU expecting? Maybe something like this:

Here are some numbers that give an indication of what's wrong. The Cowboys have converted just 6-of-23 third down plays over the last two games. That's 26.1 percent. Compare that to what happened during the four-game winning streak when the team converted 47.2 percent of its third down attempts, and you get an idea.

Quarterback Tony Romo has also been inconsistent hooking up with his wide receivers. He has completed eight of the 16 passes he has thrown to Miles Austin over the last two games and just five of 11 passes he's thrown in Roy Williams direction. Monday November 23, 2009 1:41 David Moore

If that fancy dan stat of 103 is the sure fired answer, as again you coattail any discussive element to that one bit of information...then why the TWO game opposite direction as to consistency at quarterback? I stated the obvious reasons...maybe you prefer a Jimmy Johnson comment:
"I think it's a matter of Roy and Jason [Garrett] getting comfortable with exactly what he does well, what he's really confident in doing," Johnson said. "And you utilize him. I think that can happen, but it takes time."

Johnson recalled how Hall of Fame receiver Michael Irvin, in his second training camp, seemed to drop everything thrown in his direction. The decision was made to pull back on routes the Cowboys asked Irvin to run. They let him do what he did best then added the more problematic routes as his confidence returned.

He advocated a similar approach with Williams.

"Say you're dropping a crossing route time after time," Johnson said. "Well, then stop throwing him the crossing route.

"In his mind, he's saying, 'Oh no, I'm going to drop it. Don't drop it. Don't drop it.' That seed is planted. You think 'Don't drop it,' so what do you do? You drop it.

"Well, let's pull away from that. Let's start throwing that comeback where he knows he's going to catch it. Catch it, catch it, catch it, then occasionally sprinkle in something across the middle to where he's had some success to build that confidence back up."

Johnson said he considers Romo, "a very talented quarterback." He then referred to a conversation he had with Irvin on the radio a few moments earlier about whether this team had good or great players.

"As the receivers start catching the football more than what they've been doing, as they start making more big plays, then people are going to stop playing eight-man fronts," Johnson said. "Then they are going to get Marion Barber running the ball more, and now you're going to get bigger plays out of Felix Jones. It all ties in hand in hand. Tony Romo all of a sudden becomes better.

"So, some of these good players can become great, but I don't think you can label any of them great until we have some success in the playoffs and success again the next year. That's when you label them great."




...and this is where I added my observation, again, before Jimmy Johnson went the direction. Until Tony Romo is able to care this 'Romo Friendly' offense through tough times, then the league is catching up to his play...and there will continue to flounder the problems you and others here haven't reconciled, identified, or dealt with...but want someone else to run around and explain away the 'bad' they fear. Well, that won't happen until Tony Romo is able to make his passes 'friendly' to his receivers.

but all these hot shot analysts want a valid stat that can be picked apart...hey you got stats, but still don't wrestle the present and long termed issues that will either make this group of Cowboys, or take Wade Phillips and possibly Jason Garrett all the way down at season's conclusion.

That all was presented without stats, but by credable and real people involved in the sport....but hey, numbers are akin to astrology in belief. They don't make for analysis, as opinions and concepts are involved....and that takes organization, not a stat sheet. They require looking at the functional elements of achievement, and applying what is observed...and all the numbers in the world don't bring it together on the carpet, the coaches do. And the present direction is affected first by player opportunities, and then by how the coaches lead the team through those..and these all are at question. Not me....
 

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djmajestik;3099922 said:
Did you mean: appreciation Top 2 results shown

yea, that one was appreciation...and I don't worry about spell check, but do go back afterwards and make mistakes as to spelling and such...I do most of my posting here in the late hours, due to job hours and length being at night. Sorry for that one, but I really am not fully earnest in pursuing spelling qualities, but do go back and correct. I worry more with meat of statements than color of style and format. The style IS recognizeable, and if view after the end post has been corrected, generally pointed and useful as well.

While in the Army, I lost my right thumb and have a plate in my left hand...so periodically, my 'fingers' get crossed in typing and thought development.
 

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SaltwaterServr;3099913 said:
He asked for methodology, and still you evade the question with endless irrelevant prattle. You are providing immense clarity, without providing any directly at all.

The reason for discussion is lost here...as what good does it do to provide a one liner of quick retort? That only will go in one ear and out the other. No, to develop talk about a subject...one does not dominate the totality of topic and allows for imput that nutures the debate and brings out through intercourse, the intended information. This happens when topic and not just lame style is dominant.

Know why such keystone religious or philosophic person talked in generalities? They were going for topic development and the challenge of direction and involvement as opposed to social prestige or doing all the work.

Look again at the trail of what has been stated outside the distraction of personal assaults...and much has been offered, and very little real discussion returned on topic. Don't like form, then don't participate...simple.

My effort was to bring a reference to add to board knowledge. This I did. I then added my perspective of how it applied...and that has been shown by subsequent play by the Cowboys. I presented as I did, not to be definitive, but to bring to light some areas that could allow a casual fan to see through the hype and negative spray by fans and media alike. I focused on aspects that would be definitive as to status involving Tony Romo, Wade Phillips, and even the role of Jerry Jones as GM...all on the table for consideration as this very season runs it's course. Hey, maybe you guys are right...we should be more concerned with the two minute offense and style presented.
 

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Just to add to thread content...here are some short notes that do indicate needed developments still on the offensive side of ball:

Williams will enter Thursday's game against Oakland fourth on the team with 24 catches for 429 yards and three TDs.

That shows one of two things, either teams are already catching up to what Dallas is doing, or the relationship between Tony Romo and Roy Williams need more intensive development, yet.

The second is the actual quarterback ratings current as of THIS week and inclusive of all quarterbacks in the NFL....

1. Farve Mn 112.1
2. Brees NO 105.8
3. P Manning Ind 102.7
4. Rogers GB 102.6
5. Brady NE 100.4
6. Schaub Hou 98.8
7. P Rivers SD 98.7
8. Roethlisberger Pit 98.6
9. McNabb Phi 95.9
10. Warner Az 94.4
11. E MANNING NYG 92.2
12. ROMO Dal 91.5

Now maybe some eyes might start to notice that the Tony Romo that we as fans love to idealize...has beens struggling more than we have acknowledged as a group. Nope, the initial groupings by The Sporting News was closer to what is functional in the league, than we had hoped for up to here...

Now, if Tony Romo is more than a stat king, and a true leader, he should start to rise to the top once again, and carry THROUGH the month of December, and not reinforce another year's tumble that started in the month of November. Time will tell this part of the observation, and not insulting of style or the fact that this was even presented!
 

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Yawn...

CCBoy;3099909 said:
Blah, blah, blah....

You both fall all over yourselves so intensely you fail to see the real credability involved with my initial posting...let me point out the truth, that is lost in your endless stereotype of insult. This while trying to transfer some sort of hocus pocus guilt trip for not complying with a very formal as well as archaic, stereotyped format for thought process and speech. As if you can EVEN begin to comprehend Old English, from which Shakespeare took roots.

Yep, you got me. I'm trying to lay a guilt trip on you.:rolleyes:

Like I said, if you really want to discuss something, you may try to use a more common approach...or not, I don't care. It is very clear that you are hard to follow. It's not for lack of effort or intelligence that I can't pinpoint exactly what you would like to talk about other than some vague idea that Romo has to improve and he's not on the top of these mysterious lists.

As if I can EVEN begin to comprehend Old English? Is that an insult? I'm not sure...but, you're right, that's not my area of expertise. You got me.

Blah, blah, blah.


Private tutorship will cost you big bucks in the future, as phycological hangups have to be addressed with both of you. You try so hard to have someone teach you as to types of trees and their useage, that after someone tells you that an Oak is a hard tree, that you can't even find a forrest stretched out as far as another's eye can see...yea, go put some overly dramatic School boy class topic into a description to try and explain my ineptness and untenable effort...
Thanks for the unsolicited psychological evaluation on me, based solely on text responses to a rather odd thread. I'll be sure to give my future psychiatrist your notes for review.

Is this you trying to take the high road? If so, you've failed miserably. There is a saying about people in glass houses and throwing stones...

Yep, I brought sources outside of a single QB rating at the close of halves...and a style that STILL doesn't COMPLY with your uptight standard of pinkie raised eloquence...and it won't...as that part is NOT yours to chose.
I'm not asking for anything outrageous. Here, I can make it easier for you. Could you speak to me on my level instead of your rather elevated one? I get it, you're very intellectual and we just can't keep up with you...

If that is the strength of YOUR convictions, then look who's being the fool, as who really is busting their posteriors to race back to continue their unrestrained assault upon style, AFTER stating that it was not a stumbling block....:lmao2:
Well, apparently you're right, it is a stumbling block. There is a communication barrier. However, I rarely ever have difficulty communicating with people. I guess you're the rare exception.

Now, using your analytical approach, since you BOTH state that I am afraid to put credability on the line, YOU apply anything that YOU have presented to the credability of Tony Romo beyond some magical two minute period; for that matter, stand on what football you have even attempted up to here.
How about this stat: Tony Romo is 35-17 as a starter in the regular season. He wins twice as much as he loses.

No, you make a poor tutor, yet imply you have vast experience. But don't appreciate when another states his format is already quite agreeable with himself.
You read into things way too much.

Also, have you ever heard of knowing your audience? Just because your way agrees with you, doesn't necessarily mean it agrees with everyone else. Stop being so narcissistic. I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why you would stick to your guns if you were truly interested in communicating with other people. It is painfully obvious that your writings are vague, disorganized, and hard to follow. So, the reasons that you are not triggering good discussion seem to be there for you to see.

You NOWHERE approach topic yet are assenine enough to think, although an explanation of why such a format in opening the thread was approached. No, where the high ground of both your choice plainly states instead to the contrary of what YOU stated....and then chose to ignore that as well as topic as you both try to impose your own preferences. Then have the audacity to state intent is what is needed, and provide nothing more a preppie association. So what? :cool:
Again, I am not trying to impose my own preferences, but rather clue you in to what is the norm and what may garner some better responses. You obviously can tell me to get bent (which you have basically implied) but I really don't see a whole lot of football or Romo discussion going on here, do you? I'm sure hundreds, if not more have read your post and lost interest about 20 lines into it.

Neither of you two have hit topic yet...hey, and you think responding to lame acts at instruction makes efforts tooled, acceptable. NO, you didn't hit topic once, in multiple postings. Care to try some more? :lmao:

Let's see, BEFORE the game, I offered an insight that Tony Romo was off in his mechanics, and he goes out and does the very same thing for the second STRAIGHT game. Now, then was offerred a retort of HOW STRONG his closing abilities were. Hey, let's look at this specific bit of info, but APPLY the analytical approach. Maybe instead of sniffing that Shakespeare goblie de **** up so intensely, there should be ample efforts to use simple associative qualities in reasoning. More vain efforts to simile rather than topic related analysis does you little good apparently. Now, quickly do a spell check on format and then see if you can't cast a shadow on a work by your own stance, and NEVER TOUCH topic.
You keep talking about how Romo laid an egg, yet he engineered a game winning drive. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. When Ben Roethlisberger wins in an ugly manner, he "just finds a way to win." When Romo does, he "laid an egg."

More blah...

1. I do ALL the work presented with your and my postings - of evaluating tendencies of Tony Romo, NOT restricted to two minutes of a game...where very little change can occur to game directions.

You imply by not addressing issuethat a total lack of knowledge, if your own sense of lacking elements were applied, has been proven. Yet, YOU PRESENT NOTHING in conflict to the initial topic on thread. Instead, now in unison, have attempted to steal an entire thread with your self appointed crusade on right diction and style. Get a life of your OWN.
Again, you appear to be ignorant to the fact that you are hard to follow. Let me get this clear for you so you can understand. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU...and I'm not the only one. Label me dumb or whatever you want to do, but I'm just trying to get to the heart of what you want to discuss. You insist on intentionally being vague and long-winded. I suspect you really have no desire to have a good dialogue, but would rather be stubborn and stick to your guns. It seems to be some sort of control issue for you. But, I digress.

2. Your whole stance was that I didn't counter a stat with more stats...and yourselves did NOT even attempt to touch upon MY topic and inclusive features for discussion...heck, you never even attempted to pinpoint what it was included in those stated aspects.

Scared to match up to the topic at hand?
Something like that...:rolleyes:

Now, don't be so self-serving to suggest that what was presented could NOT have been understood, if the cavalier of a biased critic had not been the sole effort. Who died and left you in charge of common sense without even attempting to touch topic? Now that's an alliteration!
I never said it could NOT be understood, only that it was difficult to follow. Why you get so insulted by that, I don't know. Again, how many football or Romo related responses have you received? You think that I'm the only one that feels you are hard to follow?

You say that I did NOT understand the relevance of those majestic two minutes and there intense value. You state that I am unobjective because I didn't rush to some foreign concept and provide a negative counter to what was ALREADY an abstract tool.
What, I thought I never even attempted to touch the topic at hand? Or did I? I don't know, you've lost me now.

That would be all too easy to do...just go to this year, and point out the number of last minute successes that did NOT happen and that alone would knock the dogpoo out of that feature's applicability to what is going on now...

3. But the clincher to the total ignoring of subject lies in that after stating that the Sporting News class evaluations showed something lacking in Tony Romo, and then the game occurred...exactly what I was talking about, REOCCURRED!
Wait, so Romo has things he could work on? Outstanding detective work. I was under the impression that everybody thought he was perfect. Silly me...

Blah, blah, blah...

Don't even be naive enough to question format and additionally imply YOUR lack of understanding to THIS challenge....to YOU!! Smart guys, huh...YOU PROVE IT!! This doesn't include diction, language, or style...you know, apply common sense and saying something other than you didn't like delivery. Get to TOPIC!! Try talking about that, instead of trying to show how good taste Charlie has....
I have no need to prove my intelligence to you. Again, you are either being purposely dense or are just ignorant. It's not that I don't like your delivery, it's simply that I can't fully understand it. But, hey, you have plenty of other people to talk to about this right?
 

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Just to add to thread content...here are some short notes that do indicate needed developments still on the offensive side of ball:

Williams will enter Thursday's game against Oakland fourth on the team with 24 catches for 429 yards and three TDs.

That shows one of two things, either teams are already catching up to what Dallas is doing, or the relationship between Tony Romo and Roy Williams need more intensive development, yet.

The second is the actual quarterback ratings current as of THIS week and inclusive of all quarterbacks in the NFL....

1. Farve Mn 112.1
2. Brees NO 105.8
3. P Manning Ind 102.7
4. Rogers GB 102.6
5. Brady NE 100.4
6. Schaub Hou 98.8
7. P Rivers SD 98.7
8. Roethlisberger Pit 98.6
9. McNabb Phi 95.9
10. Warner Az 94.4
11. E MANNING NYG 92.2
12. ROMO Dal 91.5

Now maybe some eyes might start to notice that the Tony Romo that we as fans love to idealize...has beens struggling more than we have acknowledged as a group. Nope, the initial groupings by The Sporting News was closer to what is functional in the league, than we had hoped for up to here...

Now, if Tony Romo is more than a stat king, and a true leader, he should start to rise to the top once again, and carry THROUGH the month of December, and not reinforce another year's tumble that started in the month of November. Time will tell this part of the observation, and not insulting of style or the fact that this was even presented!

This team consistently failed in December LONG before Romo arrived.
 

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Look again at the trail of what has been stated outside the distraction of personal assaults(hopefully, you're also referring to your own with this statement)...and much has been offered, and very little real discussion returned on topic. Don't like form, then don't participate...simple.

Gotcha. I hear you loud and clear. Apparently, so does the majority of the rest of the board. Hey, but you're doing a great job fostering good discussion. You are some sort of master, I'm told.

My effort was to bring a reference to add to board knowledge. This I did. I then added my perspective of how it applied...and that has been shown by subsequent play by the Cowboys. I presented as I did, not to be definitive, but to bring to light some areas that could allow a casual fan to see through the hype and negative spray by fans and media alike. I focused on aspects that would be definitive as to status involving Tony Romo, Wade Phillips, and even the role of Jerry Jones as GM...all on the table for consideration as this very season runs it's course. Hey, maybe you guys are right...we should be more concerned with the two minute offense and style presented.
I think you should try a different approach when your target audience is the casual fan, but that's just me.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.:starspin
 

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...and this is where I added my observation, again, before Jimmy Johnson went the direction. Until Tony Romo is able to care this 'Romo Friendly' offense through tough times, then the league is catching up to his play...and there will continue to flounder the problems you and others here haven't reconciled, identified, or dealt with...but want someone else to run around and explain away the 'bad' they fear. Well, that won't happen until Tony Romo is able to make his passes 'friendly' to his receivers.

There it is. There's what I've been looking for.

but all these hot shot analysts want a valid stat that can be picked apart...hey you got stats, but still don't wrestle the present and long termed issues that will either make this group of Cowboys, or take Wade Phillips and possibly Jason Garrett all the way down at season's conclusion.

That all was presented without stats, but by credable and real people involved in the sport....but hey, numbers are akin to astrology in belief. They don't make for analysis, as opinions and concepts are involved....and that takes organization, not a stat sheet. They require looking at the functional elements of achievement, and applying what is observed...and all the numbers in the world don't bring it together on the carpet, the coaches do. And the present direction is affected first by player opportunities, and then by how the coaches lead the team through those..and these all are at question. Not me....
Stats can be a real and objective indicator to a player's success. You seem to want to easily dismiss any stats. I won't bother looking any up until you show that you realize they have value, because that can often take a good deal of my time, and my time is too important.

So, I'm not totally sure what you are looking for except for you to say that Romo is having problems and for others to debate you without their "useless" stats.

Stats can be VERY beneficial, but it depends on how they're interpreted. And I'm not the only one who feels this way. Players are drafted, signed, and judged by the way they play. The direct indicators of the way they play are stats.

Stats are akin to astrology? It's probably a good thing that you aren't an NFL talent evaluator.

So, now what? Do you want people to say Romo has flaws? He does, but it's clear by his stats, that he does much more good for the team than bad. He wins twice as many games as he loses. It's also clear by the words of many "experts" that he makes plays and is very talented.
 

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PBJ, I'll just cut to the chase here...as I'm not into psychoanalysis over the internet. You spent a whole lot of time doing two things...first defending yourself, when that wasn't needed. Talk about subject matter to just get a perspective from which to judge the transitioning that WILL be happening today in Dallas.

Second, you didn't really approach the topics offered for a deeper look at the subject, beyond a defense of a single stat in defense of Tony Romo. The stat chosen by AdamJT was very poor in defining the current struggles of him. It simplly did NOT define the problems that have to be overcome for Tony Romo and the Dallas Cowboys to once again be a credable team in mainstream following of the NFL. They HAVE to win regular and IN stress filled games.

You can continue your own crusade for vindication, but when your sole tool is just to attempt to reinvent a color wheel for personal agenda, that is another storyline.

Now, on issues of them and us...you NEVER once seperated the line between topic discussion and personal assaults. Although fundamentally smart as to context, here you never seperated YOURSELF from topic and insult...so, run along, but have a good Thanksgiving.

But when you watch your tellie today, don't be naive and NOT see the developing strain of change directly involved with the team's real credabilities in the NFL. Wade Phillips' and Jason Garrett's jobs are very much on the 'See' today. That WAS the point...not a preppies rush for self vindication. That is a mature outlook that involves just squaring with realities, and not just manipulating them for personal release from dealing with actual issues. Perspective isn't a tool to brow beat over the internet, to look preppie smart or joe cool. Just the business involvements of the NFL.

The Hogettes would dress up in drag for games, if dress up is your thing, then get your Romo jersey on and sit by your tellie and enjoy...being a fan is rooting and that is a given. A slander or 'turd' tossing wasn't my effort at any point, just to talk about aspects of the game, and not in the process sling around holier than thou's, you expended at great lengths...but to open up and view the aspects that really were in process in this picture. If you want to pick up a pom pom and do your thing, or even grab a dozen beers...that's your thing. I was here to discuss those aspects affecting the game, not you or me, or a rash of trash...that was YOUR thing. You can say this is ping pong, but just adding HUMOR to irony in pointing out the line between what happened and discussion of item specific aspects of the game.

In the end on this thread, I provided all the football talk, not philosophical role of a very refined feature, and then...a lot of talk about not liking style came back. Did YOU say style? I'm here to talk football...and YOU only offered comment on what I PRESENTED. That is discussion? Where is YOUR REAL imput and strength of comment...you LIKE Tony Romo? You offer no real insight to even that...hey, I'll still enjoy the game today, despite being at work and having to listen over the radio.

Enjoy the Cowboys, because that's what being a fan is about...being responsible is another subject. As to art forms, don't expect to get rich in either psychological analysis, literature critical analysis, or organizational skills in sporting franchises. As to being part of your ring tapper's delight, that STILL isn't discussion...on character assasination. Show character? Silly prep!

To topic area, which you did little to contribute towards, other than a more corrent version of my pop is bigger than yours...Tony Romo and his receiver group are still dysfunctional and without great direction. The running game has legs, as they all have heart. This group of ball chunker and catchers, are a game vanishing group that have still yet to prove they have more than NFL skills, but 'game'!!

Now, run along and continue your obcessed pouting...:cool:
 

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PBJTime, and ScipioCowboy...what you offer is the apex of agendas. You say format is NOT a stumbling block to both of you, yet fall all over yourselves to NOT see what was presented. That no where gives passage to insights of literature or even applications, as you fool yourself as to inherent value and even insights of others. You are so ingrained with your own value and self worth, you fail to see that there are many areas yourselves DON'T cross or even have realistic and applied working relationships to even give brain space. To yourselves, it involves purely a braincramp because you deny premises offered and would rather listen to abstract concepts and pontificate just how sophisticated that is with regards to personal bias....whooopie!

You both fall all over yourselves so intensely you fail to see the real credability involved with my initial posting...let me point out the truth, that is lost in your endless stereotype of insult. This while trying to transfer some sort of hocus pocus guilt trip for not complying with a very formal as well as archaic, stereotyped format for thought process and speech. As if you can EVEN begin to comprehend Old English, from which Shakespeare took roots.

Now, looooookie here, again, what YOU state as mumlie pegs, is just the perspective of coming out of your form of abusive slander, and then taking it back to subject matter which in fact, YOU BOTH run from the discussion of which. You keep on staring up in space...who knows, maybe an alien will lead your narrow and strictly limited eyesight upon the promised land...in the mean time, here's the real deal, which you both have no clue of which:

I posted this thread on Sunday morning....BEFORE the game was even played. This was before Tony Romo laid his SECOND consecutive egg. Now, you ask what relevance was the entire posting? Who is really playing the dumb card here? The team went from a loss at 17-SEVEN....to that all important win, at SEVEN to six. Yep, advance to the rear WITH that final series starcluster...

Private tutorship will cost you big bucks in the future, as phycological hangups have to be addressed with both of you. You try so hard to have someone teach you as to types of trees and their useage, that after someone tells you that an Oak is a hard tree, that you can't even find a forrest stretched out as far as another's eye can see...yea, go put some overly dramatic School boy class topic into a description to try and explain my ineptness and untenable effort...



Yep, I brought sources outside of a single QB rating at the close of halves...and a style that STILL doesn't COMPLY with your uptight standard of pinkie raised eloquence...and it won't...as that part is NOT yours to chose.

If that is the strength of YOUR convictions, then look who's being the fool, as who really is busting their posteriors to race back to continue their unrestrained assault upon style, AFTER stating that it was not a stumbling block....:lmao2:

Now, using your analytical approach, since you BOTH state that I am afraid to put credability on the line, YOU apply anything that YOU have presented to the credability of Tony Romo beyond some magical two minute period; for that matter, stand on what football you have even attempted up to here.

No, you make a poor tutor, yet imply you have vast experience. But don't appreciate when another states his format is already quite agreeable with himself.

You NOWHERE approach topic yet are assenine enough to think, although an explanation of why such a format in opening the thread was approached. No, where the high ground of both your choice plainly states instead to the contrary of what YOU stated....and then chose to ignore that as well as topic as you both try to impose your own preferences. Then have the audacity to state intent is what is needed, and provide nothing more a preppie association. So what? :cool:

Neither of you two have hit topic yet...hey, and you think responding to lame acts at instruction makes efforts tooled, acceptable. NO, you didn't hit topic once, in multiple postings. Care to try some more? :lmao:

Let's see, BEFORE the game, I offered an insight that Tony Romo was off in his mechanics, and he goes out and does the very same thing for the second STRAIGHT game. Now, then was offerred a retort of HOW STRONG his closing abilities were. Hey, let's look at this specific bit of info, but APPLY the analytical approach. Maybe instead of sniffing that Shakespeare goblie de **** up so intensely, there should be ample efforts to use simple associative qualities in reasoning. More vain efforts to simile rather than topic related analysis does you little good apparently. Now, quickly do a spell check on format and then see if you can't cast a shadow on a work by your own stance, and NEVER TOUCH topic.

You NEVER even saw the time line involved, again, instead of redirecting what is discussed, you are being lead around, and are still stuck on your declared non-entity, style.

Let's apply some of MY principals here, and just SEE how rocket science induced your English motiff survives:

1. I do ALL the work presented with your and my postings - of evaluating tendencies of Tony Romo, NOT restricted to two minutes of a game...where very little change can occur to game directions.

You imply by not addressing issuethat a total lack of knowledge, if your own sense of lacking elements were applied, has been proven. Yet, YOU PRESENT NOTHING in conflict to the initial topic on thread. Instead, now in unison, have attempted to steal an entire thread with your self appointed crusade on right diction and style. Get a life of your OWN.

2. Your whole stance was that I didn't counter a stat with more stats...and yourselves did NOT even attempt to touch upon MY topic and inclusive features for discussion...heck, you never even attempted to pinpoint what it was included in those stated aspects.

Scared to match up to the topic at hand?

Now, don't be so self-serving to suggest that what was presented could NOT have been understood, if the cavalier of a biased critic had not been the sole effort. Who died and left you in charge of common sense without even attempting to touch topic? Now that's an alliteration!

You say that I did NOT understand the relevance of those majestic two minutes and there intense value. You state that I am unobjective because I didn't rush to some foreign concept and provide a negative counter to what was ALREADY an abstract tool.

That would be all too easy to do...just go to this year, and point out the number of last minute successes that did NOT happen and that alone would knock the dogpoo out of that feature's applicability to what is going on now...

3. But the clincher to the total ignoring of subject lies in that after stating that the Sporting News class evaluations showed something lacking in Tony Romo, and then the game occurred...exactly what I was talking about, REOCCURRED!

THAT WAS MISSED BY THE TWO OF YOU...maybe you should spend a thousand bucks LISTENING to someone ELSES stat sheet, and figure out how everything is fine and dandy....just don't try and spend all of them wooden nickles at once!!:laugh2:

Now, let's SEE the strength of your Shakespearean simile...maybe YOU would like to step up to the plate and offer INSIGHT as to what WILL be the direction of that same Tony Romo THIS Thanksgiving...come on! YOU CHICKEN?

Don't even be naive enough to question format and additionally imply YOUR lack of understanding to THIS challenge....to YOU!! Smart guys, huh...YOU PROVE IT!! This doesn't include diction, language, or style...you know, apply common sense and saying something other than you didn't like delivery. Get to TOPIC!! Try talking about that, instead of trying to show how good taste Charlie has....

You suck at being a pedant.
 

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You suck at being a pedant.

I see, after all these years...that you still have moss clinging as you depart the marsh regions.

And your comment about football was just exactly....wait, I think that needs some refining here.

No, maybe a beginnings birth...and when you provide a social reference, maybe clarity to the larger referenced group of listeners who don't have a dictionary of hidden agendas.

See, that is what a topical development involves....care to chat further, on your vision of clarity, refined with utmost taste?

Maybe, you can even throw in some sullen football talk to clarify your profuss enlightenments. Care to add some tackling form to your leaving your feet?
 
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