Cowboys plan on franchise tagging Osa

The incompetent Jones Boyz never learn. Let him test his value and if that’s what it is, let him go. Be a player in free agency instead. Some one tell them that There are 31 other teams that we are allowed to sign players from.
 
Risen Star said:
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So, JJ is going to throw an additional 4 million that could be used to plug other holes??? Get his agents in a room lock the door and don't come out until some type of deal can be made. What is it with JJ and waiting so dam long to get deals done. This cat should have been caged last year!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Risen Star said:
What the heck is he talking about? This is the thing with these stat geeks. They get seduced by these numbers that don't mean anything.

You know what does mean something? Actual production. Nobody reading this can claim he's a good run defender at 285 lbs. He's one of the reasons why the line of scrimmage moves in our direction at the snap of the ball on run downs.

So if he isn't defending the run then he damn sure should be a dynamite productive pass rusher to warrant a ridiculous 20-25 million a year salary.

3.5 sacks, 7 TFLs. That's what he's given you per season over his 4 year career. And not a natural upward progression either. He's been rather consistent. It is who he is.

That is mediocre at best pass rush production for a starting 3 tech. Combined with the aforementioned poor run defense with his undersized frame.

Seeing any value in handing that kind of player a franchise tag or even a long term deal that pays him anywhere near 20 million a year is insanity. You move on. You only pay that kind of money to actual productive players. Not PFF stat geek win rates and seconds to pressure but real plays being made.
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I like this. Their advanced stats just gets dismissed out of hand. You then give the most basic stat block imaginable and think that sits well with this earlier argument against stats.

Of course you don't even give context for what NFL 3 techniques produce on average or do anything other then wave your hands and disclaim PFF.

Nevermind, the bigger picture of building on Osa as opposed to replace him the 1T and get some depth.

You seem keen to bite off the nose to spite your face.
 
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visionary said:
Franchise tag is 25 million
Osa is absolutely not worth anything like that
Any sensible GM would move on but we are stuck with idiot and son
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OSA playing on the tag is dumb for a variety of reasons I agree. The better route to go is to reach a longer extension, but people are too caught up in the AAV. DT contracts are not that bad for the most part because the guaranteed money isnt that bad on them. Even Chris Jones sitting at the top got 60% guaranteed, just 37% as signing. If OSA really wants to play hardball and is pushing for more than that, then I would agree....let him test FA and potentially move on. If they can get him at a 5/$110 type of deal ($38 at signing, 65 gtd overall) it would be a fairly backloaded cap hit that they could get out of pretty easily after a couple years.

Percentage wise those are similar contract terms to Ed Oliver who I think is a solid player comp for OSA
 
Mr_437 said:
No negotiationing skills, lose almost every deal. Congrats Osa on getting paid, majorly.
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I actually applaud the move......It's a one year deal to buy us time. Look @ the alternative. It's better than chaining yourself to a contract in the range of 4 years 100 million....then have the guy start loafing like Diggs......then your stuck w/ a contract w/ 3 years left...and probably 50 to 60 million in dead money.

Think people.....this is the right move. He's gonna have to ball his *** off this year to get the bag.

He's gonna be motivated.....Or we can still trade him. Hell....It's better than letting him walk away for nothing...and getting a 5th round comp pick in 2 years.
 
Risen Star said:
What the heck is he talking about? This is the thing with these stat geeks. They get seduced by these numbers that don't mean anything.

You know what does mean something? Actual production. Nobody reading this can claim he's a good run defender at 285 lbs. He's one of the reasons why the line of scrimmage moves in our direction at the snap of the ball on run downs.

So if he isn't defending the run then he damn sure should be a dynamite productive pass rusher to warrant a ridiculous 20-25 million a year salary.

3.5 sacks, 7 TFLs. That's what he's given you per season over his 4 year career. And not a natural upward progression either. He's been rather consistent. It is who he is.

That is mediocre at best pass rush production for a starting 3 tech. Combined with the aforementioned poor run defense with his undersized frame.

Seeing any value in handing that kind of player a franchise tag or even a long term deal that pays him anywhere near 20 million a year is insanity. You move on. You only pay that kind of money to actual productive players. Not PFF stat geek win rates and seconds to pressure but real plays being made.
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OK then lets just pay him based off of sacks and ignore the deeper data. If you enjoy going off the counting stats though you should love a guy named Dak Prescott...Anyways OSA was roughly 10th in sacks from DTs last year...could be as low as 14th (just depends on what you consider 3-4 guys like Zach Allen and Madubuike).

If he makes 22M per year that's roughly 7.5% of the 2025 cap...that puts him at 18th in the league in line with Ed Oliver. Even not going by % of cap and just doing straight AAV that would still put him at 10th in the league just behind Deron Payne. His sack totals and rumored offer from the Cowboys are right in line with the rest of the league.

The issue isnt the rumored numbers around what OSA might get its simply that you dont like OSA. Thats fine but you're basically subscribing to the Cowboys previous philosophy of just ignoring the DT position and filling it with JAGs though. There are only a few players in the league at 3T who play both the pass and run really well.
 
Floatyworm said:
I actually applaud the move......It's a one year deal to buy us time. Look @ the alternative. It's better than chaining yourself to a contract in the range of 4 years 100 million....then have the guy start loafing like Diggs......then your stuck w/ a contract w/ 3 years left...and probably 50 to 60 million in dead money.

Think people.....this is the right move. He's gonna have to ball his *** off this year to get the bag.

He's gonna be motivated.....Or we can still trade him. Hell....It's better than letting him walk away for nothing...and getting a 5th round comp pick in 2 years.
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They actually can still sign him to a contract before the tag starts.
 
Floatyworm said:
I actually applaud the move......It's a one year deal to buy us time. Look @ the alternative. It's better than chaining yourself to a contract in the range of 4 years 100 million....then have the guy start loafing like Diggs......then your stuck w/ a contract w/ 3 years left...and probably 50 to 60 million in dead money.

Think people.....this is the right move. He's gonna have to ball his *** off this year to get the bag.

He's gonna be motivated.....Or we can still trade him. Hell....It's better than letting him walk away for nothing...and getting a 5th round comp pick in 2 years.
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I prefer a one-year deal and try to draft his replacement. If we tag him and don't take a DT before the third round, then it was a poor move IMO. But if we tag him and draft a DT in the first or second to try to improve the DT rotation, I'm OK with that.
 
Mr. "Negotiator" seems to be losing his self-proclaimed super power. The more Jerry tries to act tough, the more he is forced to relinquish in the end.
 
gimmesix said:
I prefer a one-year deal and try to draft his replacement. If we tag him and don't take a DT before the third round, then it was a poor move IMO. But if we tag him and draft a DT in the first or second to try to improve the DT rotation, I'm OK with that.
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A franchise tag is a one year deal that doesn’t have to be negotiated.

OSA, or any other player in his position, is not going to risk injury on a one year deal. It would he foolish of him and his agent to even consider it.
 
Kwyn said:
A franchise tag is a one year deal that doesn’t have to be negotiated.

OSA, or any other player in his position, is not going to risk injury on a one year deal. It would he foolish of him and his agent to even consider it.
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Right. I was counting the tag as the one-year deal, not saying we should get him to sign a one-year deal that's not a tag. Frankly, I still would transition tag him instead and save about $4 million. The risk, of course, is that some team gives him a big deal that you don't want to match, but it isn't likely because they know that you can match the deal and would rather focus on DTs that are free to negotiate without that obstacle. Plus, it establishes his market.
 
not sure why everyone is so up in arms about tagging OSA. to me its perfect. if they want to fill a need for one year without a long term commitment, great. he scares the hell out of me though. smallish DT who doesnt get sacks consistantly and yes i know he gets pressures but gets absolutely bullied in the run game. want to know why the cowboys have sucked against the run for the past three to four years? look no fruther. he is definitely part of that problem.
 
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