Cowboys plan on franchise tagging Osa

[Creeper]

I understand people that want to move on from OSA, but I dont get turning around just to sign Milton Williams who has been basically the same player. Negotiating with OSA under a tag is probably easier than negotiating with Williams on the open market. I wouldnt be surprised if Williams ends up getting more money.

Williams should get more money. He is a better player. He would be a starter in Dallas and would be the best DL they have. The point is, if I was going to spend more than $20 million on Osa, I'd be willing to put up a couple million more for Williams. This is, of course, my opinion and we'll see how these two players turn out.

 

[JonesBoys]

Only franchise him if they are going to trade him. This team needs to be rebuilt not over paying decent players.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Williams should get more money. He is a better player. He would be a starter in Dallas and would be the best DL they have. The point is, if I was going to spend more than $20 million on Osa, I'd be willing to put up a couple million more for Williams. This is, of course, my opinion and we'll see how these two players turn out.

This is where I just don't get it. Williams and OSA are almost identical players. Slightly undersized DTs (280lbs vs 290lbs), who generate a ton of pressure but dont rack up sacks, and both are negatively graded in the run game. Both have an elite player on the DL taking attention (Carter vs Parsons).

OSA time to pressure - 3.02 seconds
OSA time to sack - 4.56 seconds
OSA career sacks - 13.5 (18 rounding up half sacks)

Williams time to pressure - 3.09 seconds
Williams time to sack - 4.94 seconds
Williams career sacks - 11.5 (16 rounding up half sacks)

I can at least understand looking at cheaper options and prioritizing money to other positions. Spending more for Williams just feels like spending more money just for the sake of change.

 

[stilltheguru]

This is where I just don't get it. Williams and OSA are almost identical players. Slightly undersized DTs (280lbs vs 290lbs), who generate a ton of pressure but dont rack up sacks, and both are negatively graded in the run game. Both have an elite player on the DL taking attention (Carter vs Parsons).

OSA time to pressure - 3.02 seconds
OSA time to sack - 4.56 seconds
OSA career sacks - 13.5 (18 rounding up half sacks)

Williams time to pressure - 3.09 seconds
Williams time to sack - 4.94 seconds
Williams career sacks - 11.5 (16 rounding up half sacks)

I can at least understand looking at cheaper options and prioritizing money to other positions. Spending more for Williams just feels like spending more money just for the sake of change.

Good luck getting through to some of these fans that complain just to complain. They are literally the same player.

 

[Creeper]

This is where I just don't get it. Williams and OSA are almost identical players. Slightly undersized DTs (280lbs vs 290lbs), who generate a ton of pressure but dont rack up sacks, and both are negatively graded in the run game. Both have an elite player on the DL taking attention (Carter vs Parsons).

OSA time to pressure - 3.02 seconds
OSA time to sack - 4.56 seconds
OSA career sacks - 13.5 (18 rounding up half sacks)

Williams time to pressure - 3.09 seconds
Williams time to sack - 4.94 seconds
Williams career sacks - 11.5 (16 rounding up half sacks)

I can at least understand looking at cheaper options and prioritizing money to other positions. Spending more for Williams just feels like spending more money just for the sake of change.

Watching the two players play, I just think, and this is my opinion, that Williams is a stronger player. I am not knocking Osa. Their stats are similar although Williams played only 501 defensive snaps compared to Osa's 860. I think Williams, if he played in Dallas would get a lot more snaps and would be a lot more disruptive. It is just an opinion.

 

[ErikWilliamsHeadSlap]

So in summary:

Sign Osa to Market contract = mistake
Sign Osa to below market contract = mistake
Franchise tag Osa = mistake
Let Osa walk = mistake

How does everyone reconcile the fact that no matter what they do is wrong? Stop criticizing just to criticize.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Other teams are out bidding Dallas.

How? He’s not a free agent yet?

 

[lostar2009]

Wasting cap once again. Sign the man or let him walk. Placing the FT on him will just waste money. This FO is already reverting back to its old ways.

 

[fivetwos]

What the heck is he talking about? This is the thing with these stat geeks. They get seduced by these numbers that don't mean anything.

You know what does mean something? Actual production. Nobody reading this can claim he's a good run defender at 285 lbs. He's one of the reasons why the line of scrimmage moves in our direction at the snap of the ball on run downs.

So if he isn't defending the run then he damn sure should be a dynamite productive pass rusher to warrant a ridiculous 20-25 million a year salary.

3.5 sacks, 7 TFLs. That's what he's given you per season over his 4 year career. And not a natural upward progression either. He's been rather consistent. It is who he is.

That is mediocre at best pass rush production for a starting 3 tech. Combined with the aforementioned poor run defense with his undersized frame.

Seeing any value in handing that kind of player a franchise tag or even a long term deal that pays him anywhere near 20 million a year is insanity. You move on. You only pay that kind of money to actual productive players. Not PFF stat geek win rates and seconds to pressure but real plays being made.

I agree. I think he has been invisible until about the middle of this past season. If that in itself is not a red flag…..

But it’s easier than doing the actual work on available players they don’t “know.”

Funny how that strategy burns them again and again (Steele, Diggs, Gallup to name a few), yet they keep going back to it.

The logic around here seems to be that they need DTs, so don’t let him leave, but it also means you aren’t going to get any better either…which they very much need to, be that with depth or taking a shot that a top dradt pick is the next Donald or Carter….and maybe that pick isn’t this year. Signing Osa handcuffs them and will never take that shot,

Tagging him is dumb, as this team has no shot to compete this season, but I’m sure they don’t see it that way. It’s the usual Jones logic….pay them more and the guys that weren’t good enough suddenly will be. It’s really nothing more than an accentuation of how unqualified our GM/s actually are.

The bottom line is they continue to make dumb moves because they are easy. Hell, they wanted to give Randy Gregory the bag. They aren’t good at this and never will be. Period. We shouldn’t really expect anything different.

 

[Johannes44]

Absolute madness.

Osa Odighizuwa. Franchise tag player.

We are a joke, trash organization.

You have a FO that made Dak Prescott the highest paid player in the league. Why are you surprised that the same FO would franchise tag a guy like Osa?

 

[thunderpimp91]

I agree. I think he has been invisible until about the middle of this past season. If that in itself is not a red flag…..

But it’s easier than doing the actual work on available players they don’t “know.”

Funny how that strategy burns them again and again (Steele, Diggs, Gallup to name a few), yet they keep going back to it.

The logic around here seems to be that they need DTs, so don’t let him leave, but it also means you aren’t going to get any better either…which they very much need to, be that with depth or taking a shot that a top dradt pick is the next Donald or Carter….and maybe that pick isn’t this year. Signing Osa handcuffs them and will never take that shot,

Tagging him is dumb, as this team has no shot to compete this season, but I’m sure they don’t see it that way. It’s the usual Jones logic….pay them more and the guys that weren’t good enough suddenly will be. It’s really nothing more than an accentuation of how unqualified our GM/s actually are.

The bottom line is they continue to make dumb moves because they are easy. Hell, they wanted to give Randy Gregory the bag. They aren’t good at this and never will be. Period. We shouldn’t really expect anything different.

Why does that handcuff them though? Teams can get multiple DTs on the field with regularity. Philly being the easy example got Carter 1000+ snaps, Jordan Davis 440+ snaps and Williams 650+ snaps. Even the Cowboys last year got around 550 snaps from Jordan Phillips, Carlos Watkins, and Linval Joseph. Golston got an additional 84 snaps at DT plus a hand full of snaps there from DLaw, Kneeland, Wheat and probably a few others that are no longer on the roster. Absolutely zero reason you cant get two 3Ts on the field with regularity, getting OSA off the field more for run downs wouldn't be a bad thing either.

There is plenty of room to add another DT via the draft, even early on to turn this into a position of strength for the Cowboys. The real issue is the Cowboys have a history of doing the minimum and checking off the box that the position is fine. We have a Jones issue more than we have an OSA issue IMO

 

[darthseinfeld]

This is where I just don't get it. Williams and OSA are almost identical players. Slightly undersized DTs (280lbs vs 290lbs), who generate a ton of pressure but dont rack up sacks, and both are negatively graded in the run game. Both have an elite player on the DL taking attention (Carter vs Parsons).

OSA time to pressure - 3.02 seconds
OSA time to sack - 4.56 seconds
OSA career sacks - 13.5 (18 rounding up half sacks)

Williams time to pressure - 3.09 seconds
Williams time to sack - 4.94 seconds
Williams career sacks - 11.5 (16 rounding up half sacks)

I can at least understand looking at cheaper options and prioritizing money to other positions. Spending more for Williams just feels like spending more money just for the sake of change.

Good luck getting through to some of these fans that complain just to complain. They are literally the same player.

Williams has very short arms. Insane athelete though. He has never really been a full time guy in Philadelphia, and he has been on the field with Davis or Carter who are great leverage players. If you are playing Williams full time, leverage is going to be an issue

Williams arm length: 31 inches

Odighizuwa: 34 inches

 

[thunderpimp91]

Watching the two players play, I just think, and this is my opinion, that Williams is a stronger player. I am not knocking Osa. Their stats are similar although Williams played only 501 defensive snaps compared to Osa's 860. I think Williams, if he played in Dallas would get a lot more snaps and would be a lot more disruptive. It is just an opinion.

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, and I hope I'm not coming across as condescending. I just dont understand the thought process. IMO giving Williams a guy like Jordan Davis to get him off the field on run downs just makes his job easier. This is the type of move I would love to see the Cowboys make for once and get a legitimate guy who can spell OSA to keep him fresh. Let him play 600-700 snaps, stay a little fresher, and more of a focus on getting to the QB.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Williams has very short arms. Insane athelete though. He has never really been a full time guy in Philadelphia, and he has been on the field with Davis or Carter who are great leverage players. If you are playing Williams full time, leverage is going to be an issue

Williams arm length: 31 inches

Odighizuwa: 34 inches

Completely agree. I dont hate Williams either, I think hes a good player, but I think he might be one of those players who is better in limited snaps. You get him 800-1000 snaps in 2025 and some of those weaknesses could get exposed. This is the benefit of having true depth at the DT position. Keep guys fresh and rotate them in where their strengths will be best used. Having more than one guy who play at a high level is beneficial for everyone.

 

[Coogiguy03]

THE COWBOYS WILL end up tagging OSA early so he doesn't get a chance to be looked at from other teams, grrrrr

 

[darthseinfeld]

Watching the two players play, I just think, and this is my opinion, that Williams is a stronger player. I am not knocking Osa. Their stats are similar although Williams played only 501 defensive snaps compared to Osa's 860. I think Williams, if he played in Dallas would get a lot more snaps and would be a lot more disruptive. It is just an opinion.

Williams is more of a niche player than a full time guy. Undersized with short arms, he needs certain players around him or he will get washed out. He has those players in Philadelphia. There is a very good chance of he leaves Carter and Davis he will struggle imo

 

[darthseinfeld]

Completely agree. I dont hate Williams either, I think hes a good player, but I think he might be one of those players who is better in limited snaps. You get him 800-1000 snaps in 2025 and some of those weaknesses could get exposed. This is the benefit of having true depth at the DT position. Keep guys fresh and rotate them in where their strengths will be best used. Having more than one guy who play at a high level is beneficial for everyone.

I was a huge Williams fan in 2021. He definitely wound up in a great situation. Right now Im not so sure he would be a real asset to a defense if he is given a full load unless he is opposite a guy like Vea

 

[fivetwos]

Why does that handcuff them though? Teams can get multiple DTs on the field with regularity. Philly being the easy example got Carter 1000+ snaps, Jordan Davis 440+ snaps and Williams 650+ snaps. Even the Cowboys last year got around 550 snaps from Jordan Phillips, Carlos Watkins, and Linval Joseph. Golston got an additional 84 snaps at DT plus a hand full of snaps there from DLaw, Kneeland, Wheat and probably a few others that are no longer on the roster. Absolutely zero reason you cant get two 3Ts on the field with regularity, getting OSA off the field more for run downs wouldn't be a bad thing either.

There is plenty of room to add another DT via the draft, even early on to turn this into a position of strength for the Cowboys. The real issue is the Cowboys have a history of doing the minimum and checking off the box that the position is fine. We have a Jones issue more than we have an OSA issue IMO

Agree. I used used the wrong word.

After using a first on Mazi and giving Osa 100 million, they are absolutely NOT going to use much more than one of those 5th round comps on a position they don’t value.

So yes, while they COULD still address it properly, they very likely will not, while we all know the Mazi/Osa combo isn’t good enough.

 

[Beaker42]

This franchise sucks beyond sucking. Osa O is tagged on absolutely NO OTHER TEAM IN THE NFL.

 

[Carson]

This franchise sucks beyond sucking. Osa O is tagged on absolutely NO OTHER TEAM IN THE NFL.

It just buys them time to make a deal and doesn’t allow a team like Carolina or Washington to overpay

He won’t play on the tag