Twitter: Cowboys practice with Chargers August 17 and 18

[jujoboys]

Only a Dak-stan would argue six consecutive 4th down conversions on a game-tying drive, all pretty much rockets, including a TD on a 4th and 21 with time expiring, when down 15-0 against the Raiders in a game they only needed a tie to make the play-offs counts as 'folding'. What is obvious is you have never watched Herbert play...

Most rabid Dak-fans on this board no longer hold such a ridiculously asinine opinion, after watching what a real QB looks like. In fact, I'm pretty sure they were embarrassed for ever holding such an opinion before watching him.

This may literally be the most ridiculous post in the history of this forum and I'm being generous.

What's obvious is that you like to assume a lot. You assume I am a rabid Dak-fans and you assume I have never watched Herbert play. Both assumptions would be wrong.

I'm a Cowboys' fan. I am not a so-called rabid Dak-fans. If Dallas moved on from Dak tomorrow and acquired someone else as the QB then so be it. I am not tied to individual players. I am focused on how the team performs not individuals. As far as I can tell the LA Chargers are loaded and haven't done squat. They went 9-8 last year including a loss to the Cowboys. A loss in which your man crush, Herbert, was basically responsible for with his turnovers. When the Chargers actually win something or actually make the playoffs then you can come in here spouting nonsense about the great Herbert and his many accomplishments. Until then, he and his team are nothing more than pretenders yet to even make the playoffs in his tenure.

Also, I see you went to great lengths to explain how great you thought Herbert was in the LOSS to the Raiders but you failed to even mention the game he lost to the Texans that could have helped seal a place in the playoffs for the Chargers. Your man crush, Herbert, threw 2 picks in the loss to the 4-13 Texans.

 

[Mannix]

Gotcha. Some other posters were mentioning Wilson.

So you were referring to the QB that has never made the playoffs and choked away a chance at the playoffs last year by losing to Houston (2 ints) and the Raiders down the stretch? The same QB that also lost to Dak earlier that year? Right now Herbert is just looking like another Phillips Rivers. Puts up big stats in the regular season but folds when the important games come around. 15 ints last year. Dak would get crucified on this board if he threw that many ints. Herbert went 9-8 last year with a loaded team around him.

Ok...this is really a joke, right???

 

[jujoboys]

Ok...this is really a joke, right???

The guy posting said Dak should watch Herbert to see what a real QB looks like. Dak already saw Herbert last year when Dallas beat the Chargers 20-17. Where's the joke? If people are going to criticize Dak based on how the team performs then why can't I criticize Herbert based on the way his team performs? Herbert is 15-17-0 as a starter. If you guys can blame Dak for Dallas' losses then I can blame Herbert for the Chargers 17 losses.

 

[khiladi]

What's obvious is that you like to assume a lot. You assume I am a rabid Dak-fans and you assume I have never watched Herbert play. Both assumptions would be wrong.

I'm a Cowboys' fan. I am not a so-called rabid Dak-fans. If Dallas moved on from Dak tomorrow and acquired someone else as the QB then so be it. I am not tied to individual players. I am focused on how the team performs not individuals. As far as I can tell the LA Chargers are loaded and haven't done squat. They went 9-8 last year including a loss to the Cowboys. A loss in which your man crush, Herbert, was basically responsible for with his turnovers. When the Chargers actually win something or actually make the playoffs then you can come in here spouting nonsense about the great Herbert and his many accomplishments. Until then, he and his team are nothing more than pretenders yet to even make the playoffs in his tenure.

Also, I see you went to great lengths to explain how great you thought Herbert was in the LOSS to the Raiders but you failed to even mention the game he lost to the Texans that could have helped seal a place in the playoffs for the Chargers. Your man crush, Herbert, threw 2 picks in the loss to the 4-13 Texans.

You claimed Herbert choked against the Raiders, not I. The reality is you will not find a more impressive performance of CLUTCH than the Raiders game by a QB in history. Whether or not he lost to the Texans is irrelevant to this point and the fact you claim it, shows you have no clue what your talking about regarding Herbert. Dak couldn’t even hit Noah Brown on a two yard pass on a third down in OT to lose a game. It took Dak literally ONE WEEK to throw a TD in TRAINING CAMP in his third year.

I can guarantee you not a single GM in the NFL or anybody that knows football for that matter would take Dak over Herbert. But carry on with even more ridiculousness. You are literally posting one of the dumbest takes in football and I’m not exaggerating one bit.

 

[Mannix]

Sigh....again....this

 

[jujoboys]

You claimed Herbert choked against the Raiders, not I. The reality is you will not find a more impressive performance of CLUTCH than the Raiders game by a QB in history. Whether or not he lost to the Texans is irrelevant to this point and the fact you claim it, shows you have no clue what your talking about regarding Herbert. Dak couldn’t even hit Noah Brown on a two yard pass on a third down in OT to lose a game. It took Dak literally ONE WEEK to throw a TD in TRAINING CAMP in his third year.

I can guarantee you not a single GM in the NFL or anybody that knows football for that matter would take Dak over Herbert. But carry on with even more ridiculousness. You are literally posting one of the dumbest takes in football and I’m not exaggerating one bit.

All I am concerned with is team results. You can quote stats of individual players until you are blue in the face. Most people would argue that Phillip Rivers had way more talent and was a much better QB than Eli Manning. Rivers was a stats machine. However, which QB was the winner. Which QB performed when it mattered. I'm not saying that Dak has more talent than Herbert or that Dak is a better QB than Herbert. What I am saying is that Herbert hasn't proved he is a winning QB. He has a 15-17-0 record as a starter and he and his team choked down the stretch last year losing 3 out of 4 games at the end of the season. Dak and the Cowboys need to learn how to win games at the end of the season and in the playoffs. If Dak is going to watch a "REAL" QB as suggested then I would rather him watch one that has a history of success in the playoffs or at least one that has been to the playoffs. Talent and potentila don't mean jack if you aren't winning. And yes, losing to the 4-13 TEXANS in a very meaningful game should be a knock on you and your team. Especially when you as the leader/QB through 2 ints in that game. And so far as the Raiders game goes. Herbert would not have been in the position he was if he had done more in the first 2 1/2 quarters of the game to help his team win. That game reminded me so much of Romo. Throw an int to let the Raiders increase their lead to 29-14 in the middle of the 3rd quarter. Then start slinging the ball around and actually tie the team to go into OT. End up losing the game because you couldn't convert a 2nd and 6 from the opponents 23 and had to settle for a FG. Bunch of stats but still a loss.

 

[khiladi]

All I am concerned with is team results. You can quote stats of individual players until you are blue in the face. Most people would argue that Phillip Rivers had way more talent and was a much better QB than Eli Manning. Rivers was a stats machine. However, which QB was the winner. Which QB performed when it mattered. I'm not saying that Dak has more talent than Herbert or that Dak is a better QB than Herbert. What I am saying is that Herbert hasn't proved he is a winning QB. He has a 15-17-0 record as a starter and he and his team choked down the stretch last year losing 3 out of 4 games at the end of the season. Dak and the Cowboys need to learn how to win games at the end of the season and in the playoffs. If Dak is going to watch a "REAL" QB as suggested then I would rather him watch one that has a history of success in the playoffs or at least one that has been to the playoffs. Talent and potentila don't mean jack if you aren't winning. And yes, losing to the 4-13 TEXANS in a very meaningful game should be a knock on you and your team. Especially when you as the leader/QB through 2 ints in that game. And so far as the Raiders game goes. Herbert would not have been in the position he was if he had done more in the first 2 1/2 quarters of the game to help his team win. That game reminded me so much of Romo. Throw an int to let the Raiders increase their lead to 29-14 in the middle of the 3rd quarter. Then start slinging the ball around and actually tie the team to go into OT. End up losing the game because you couldn't convert a 2nd and 6 from the opponents 23 and had to settle for a FG. Bunch of stats but still a loss.

I don’t care what your arguing.

The fact is you claimed Herbert wasn’t clutch in the Raiders game, when everybody that watched the game will pretty say it was one of the all-time great clutch performances by any QB, especially one in his full first year starting in a brand new offense that depends on the greatness of the QB and his ability to go through his professions and fire rocket after rocket. Now your excuse was that if it was clutch he wouldn’t have been down in the first place. The irony is this type of garbage take ie coming from a delusional Dak fan, whose idol Dak is praised for nothing but garbage time stats after getting blown out in multiple games. All we heard in years 6 of Dak in 2020 is how we would have won if he had is more time, while defenses went into soft zone coverage to both time off the clock. We are talking about the guy who choked against Wentz and the Eagles against third string CBs, choking away a playoff birth, while having a healthy Collins, Martin and Smith blocking, while Zeke still trying as running like a top RB in the game. Or when he threw at Noah Brown’s feet on third down in OT giving the opposing team good field position allowing them to win in OT. Or his garbage performance against thr 49ers at home once again.

The fact is any take that tries and finds fault with Herbert against the Raiders is do so prejudiced, it’s not even a point of debate. It’s a clown take.

Herberf in no way had the same OL as Dak for all these years, he’s in his first year starting, the whole offense is literally tailored to his abilities and e set all sorts of records while the offense here has been completely limited by checkdown Charlie here who can’t throw against a zone to save his life in year 7. Dak was complete TRASH when Zeke was suspended abd was setting Quincy Carter levels of futility and was literally a laughing stick in year 3 for how awful he was until Amari Cooper came and saved him.

Nobody and I mean nobody that understands football would agree with literally one of the dumbest takes in football period.

 

[jujoboys]

I don’t care what your arguing.

The fact is you claimed Herbert wasn’t clutch in the Raiders game, when everybody that watched the game will pretty say it was one of the all-time great clutch performances by any QB, especially one in his full first year starting in a brand new offense that depends on the greatness of the QB and his ability to go through his professions and fire rocket after rocket. Now your excuse was that if it was clutch he wouldn’t have been down in the first place. The irony is this type of garbage take ie coming from a delusional Dak fan, whose idol Dak is praised for nothing but garbage time stats after getting blown out in multiple games. All we heard in years 6 of Dak in 2020 is how we would have won if he had is more time, while defenses went into soft zone coverage to both time off the clock. We are talking about the guy who choked against Wentz and the Eagles against third string CBs, choking away a playoff birth, while having a healthy Collins, Martin and Smith blocking, while Zeke still trying as running like a top RB in the game. Or when he threw at Noah Brown’s feet on third down in OT giving the opposing team good field position allowing them to win in OT. Or his garbage performance against thr 49ers at home once again.

The fact is any take that tries and finds fault with Herbert against the Raiders is do so prejudiced, it’s not even a point of debate. It’s a clown take.

Herberf in no way had the same OL as Dak for all these years, he’s in his first year starting, the whole offense is literally tailored to his abilities and e set all sorts of records while the offense here has been completely limited by checkdown Charlie here who can’t throw against a zone to save his life in year 7. Dak was complete TRASH when Zeke was suspended abd was setting Quincy Carter levels of futility and was literally a laughing stick in year 3 for how awful he was until Amari Cooper came and saved him.

Nobody and I mean nobody that understands football would agree with literally one of the dumbest takes in football period.

Circle back when Herbert actually wins something. Until then I would rather our players pay attention to teams and players that have actually won something. We can agree to disagree for now. I respect your opinion but I have my own. If Herbert eventually wins meaningful games I will be the first to admit I was wrong.