Cowboys QB FA History Past 20yrs - Dalton's Present

The teams that are winning the Super Bowl’s are winning them with QBs they drafted.
 
Kingofholland said:
Bledsoe didn't have much left when he came to the Cowboys but had a good first year then fell off. He was a signing the Cowboys needed to make at that time. You do wonder though if he had a subpar 05 if the Cowboys would have pursued Brees the following year?
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Bledsoe was a bridge QB anyway. At least that's what I thought. Then Rodgers fell to us with our 2nd pick in the 1st round. Did they really have that much confidence in Bledsoe and Romo? No interest in a QB?
 
So I don't understand how you are describing this category. Are you talking about strictly veteran free agents? If so, why do you include Anthony Wright, Chad Hutchinson, Drew Hensen, Clint Stoerner, and Cooper Rush? They were not signed to a free agent contracts after playing with another team.

Are you including all free agents that were signed after playing with another team in addition to the undrafted rookies that were signed to free agent contracts? If so, where is Tony Romo?

I'm going to assume we are talking about veteran quarterbacks that signed during their free agency.

Drew Bledsoe
Jon Kitna
Randall Cunningham
Vinny Testaverde
Brad Johnson
Matt Cassel
Kyle Orton
Brandon Weeden
Ryan Leaf

This is a list of veteran free agent QB's signed by the Dallas Cowboys and who started at least one game for them.

They have a combined record of 24-43 for 35.8%

Drew Bledsoe was the only free agent quarterback signed with the intention of being a starter. He was the most successful of the free agents having the only winning record which was 12-10.

Testaverde, signed to a one year deal was originally supposed to back up Quincy Carter, which changed after Carter was cut. His record was 5-10.

Kitna took over the 2010 season after the Cowboys lost Romo for the season. His record was 4-5.

In 2015 Weeden and Cassel combined for 11 starts, winning 1.

In all, the Cowboys have done a very poor job of acquiring QB's through free agency that were capable of winning with the team or, at least, not being a liability.
 
KJJ said:
Jeff Hostetler won a Super Bowl for his original team the Giants. He wasn’t a castoff who was brought in. Nick Foles was drafted by Philly. They moved on from him and he came back but I don’t count him. Trent Dilfer would be one. He started his career with the Buccaneers and won a Super Bowl in Baltimore. In the history of the NFL there’s been very few veteran castoff QBs win Super Bowl’s for another team. The odds are way against you trying to win a championship with a veteran castoff at QB.
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Actually there are many veteran QB's that won Super Bowls with a different team than the one that originally drafted them.

Jim Plunkett (won 2)

Trent Dilfer

Doug Williams

Drew Brees

Steve Young

Peyton Manning

Brad Johnson

Bret Favre
 
KJJ said:
Jeff Hostetler won a Super Bowl for his original team the Giants. He wasn’t a castoff who was brought in. Nick Foles was drafted by Philly. They moved on from him and he came back but I don’t count him. Trent Dilfer would be one. He started his career with the Buccaneers and won a Super Bowl in Baltimore. In the history of the NFL there’s been very few veteran castoff QBs win Super Bowl’s for another team. The odds are way against you trying to win a championship with a veteran castoff at QB.
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Jeff Hostetler had two things in common with Tony Romo:

1. He didn't throw a single pass in his first two seasons in the league and ended up as the starter for at least one season later in his career.

2. His coach was Bill Parcells.

There is only one other occasions since 1970 where a QB didn't throw a single pass in their first two seasons and ended up being the starter for at least one season later in their career. That was Gary Hogeboom and his coach was Tom Landry. Steve Pelluer, another QB under Landry, threw 8 passes in his 2nd season.

We keep hearing about teams drafting "developmental" QB's that are"projects" but that is pretty much a myth. At some point teams are desperate and throw their "project" out there way too early. The results are so tragic that it typically destroys any progress in their "development" and they are soon cut.
 
The best recipe for effective backup quarterbacks is to consistently draft QB's every 3-4 seasons in the 2nd to 4th rounds. As the coaches develop him he remains familiar with their system and his teammates. He is relatively inexpensive, should improve as time goes on, he increases competition which keeps the starter looking behind his shoulder, and can be a valuable trading commodity.
 
plasticman said:
Actually there are many veteran QB's that won Super Bowls with a different team than the one that originally drafted them.

Jim Plunkett (won 2)

Trent Dilfer

Doug Williams

Drew Brees

Steve Young

Peyton Manning

Brad Johnson

Bret Favre
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Being mindful of kjj's description, my list is only a general one of QB's not originally drafted by their team. Many of them were actually traded for, so they don't really count. Please pardon my confusion. Also, I suppose it would be rare indeed for a "castoff" to be talented enough to get another team to the Super Bowl

I wouldn't consider a QB cut for salary cap reasons to be a "castoff". In fact, the term would probably only pertain to pre-cap era QB's.
 
plasticman said:
Being mindful of kjj's description, my list is only a general one of QB's not originally drafted by their team. Many of them were actually traded for, so they don't really count. Please pardon my confusion. Also, I suppose it would be rare indeed for a "castoff" to be talented enough to get another team to the Super Bowl

I wouldn't consider a QB cut for salary cap reasons to be a "castoff". In fact, the term would probably only pertain to pre-cap era QB's.
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One comes to mind (even though he didn't win it) would be Kerry Collins. Released by Carolina but ended up with the Giants. Eventually won the job but lost to the Ravens in the SB.
 
Qcard said:
Jon Kitna
Kyle Orton
Brandon Weeden
Matt Cassell
Kellen Moore
Andy Dalton (Zero Starts)
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Kitna and Orton were quality backups. Orton started a season for Buffalo after he left us.
Weeden was pretty good too. One bad game against NE. The Hoodie will do that to you. Two losses with Devin Street as a starting WR. Joseph Randle as starting RB for all games Weeden played.
Cassell looked like a bum, but really, what did you expect with him coming in mid season? Should have stuck with Weeden, *if* we wanted to win at all.

Dalton was once a Pro Bowl QB. He's not old enough to be washed up physically. Was a starter last year on a horrid team. With our supporting cast, the *low* end for Dalton is around 20th in the league. Could be a lot higher.
 
plasticman said:
So I don't understand how you are describing this category. Are you talking about strictly veteran free agents? If so, why do you include Anthony Wright, Chad Hutchinson, Drew Hensen, Clint Stoerner, and Cooper Rush? They were not signed to a free agent contracts after playing with another team.

Are you including all free agents that were signed after playing with another team in addition to the undrafted rookies that were signed to free agent contracts? If so, where is Tony Romo?

I'm going to assume we are talking about veteran quarterbacks that signed during their free agency.

Drew Bledsoe
Jon Kitna
Randall Cunningham
Vinny Testaverde
Brad Johnson
Matt Cassel
Kyle Orton
Brandon Weeden
Ryan Leaf

This is a list of veteran free agent QB's signed by the Dallas Cowboys and who started at least one game for them.

They have a combined record of 24-43 for 35.8%

Drew Bledsoe was the only free agent quarterback signed with the intention of being a starter. He was the most successful of the free agents having the only winning record which was 12-10.

Testaverde, signed to a one year deal was originally supposed to back up Quincy Carter, which changed after Carter was cut. His record was 5-10.

Kitna took over the 2010 season after the Cowboys lost Romo for the season. His record was 4-5.

In 2015 Weeden and Cassel combined for 11 starts, winning 1.

In all, the Cowboys have done a very poor job of acquiring QB's through free agency that were capable of winning with the team or, at least, not being a liability.
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Great post!

I did not put Undrafted FA QBs on the list as they were acquired through the Draft process of pipeline...

I think most agree our best success has been the draft process.. Outright FA like you've factual stated have performed poorly
 
buybuydandavis said:
Kitna and Orton were quality backups. Orton started a season for Buffalo after he left us.
Weeden was pretty good too. One bad game against NE. The Hoodie will do that to you. Two losses with Devin Street as a starting WR. Joseph Randle as starting RB for all games Weeden played.
Cassell looked like a bum, but really, what did you expect with him coming in mid season? Should have stuck with Weeden, *if* we wanted to win at all.

Dalton was once a Pro Bowl QB. He's not old enough to be washed up physically. Was a starter last year on a horrid team. With our supporting cast, the *low* end for Dalton is around 20th in the league. Could be a lot higher.
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The horrid Cincinnati team excuse for Dalton is a myth.

I challenge another poster if they wanted to compare roster between Cowboys vs Bengals. I think now I'll just make a thread

Rifle doesn't Hunt anymore...
 
plasticman said:
Actually there are many veteran QB's that won Super Bowls with a different team than the one that originally drafted them.

Jim Plunkett (won 2)

Trent Dilfer

Doug Williams

Drew Brees

Steve Young

Peyton Manning

Brad Johnson

Bret Favre
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If you read my posts I mentioned all those names except for Drew Brees. I’m talking about castoffs who teams gave up on. Plunkett, Dilfer, Brad Johnson and Doug Williams were castoff’s. Steve Young was still a young developing QB who the 49ers gave up a second and fourth round draft pick for. Peyton Manning was released because of his neck and Drew Brees was released because of an injury. They weren’t castoff’s. Brett Favre wasn’t a castoff the Packers gave up a first round pick for him. Your best chance of winning a Super Bowl is with a QB you draft and develop.
 
plasticman said:
Jeff Hostetler had two things in common with Tony Romo:

1. He didn't throw a single pass in his first two seasons in the league and ended up as the starter for at least one season later in his career.

2. His coach was Bill Parcells.

There is only one other occasions since 1970 where a QB didn't throw a single pass in their first two seasons and ended up being the starter for at least one season later in their career. That was Gary Hogeboom and his coach was Tom Landry. Steve Pelluer, another QB under Landry, threw 8 passes in his 2nd season.

We keep hearing about teams drafting "developmental" QB's that are"projects" but that is pretty much a myth. At some point teams are desperate and throw their "project" out there way too early. The results are so tragic that it typically destroys any progress in their "development" and they are soon cut.
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Jeff Hostetler had a great defense. He didn’t have to put up big numbers all he had to do was manage games.
 
KJJ said:
Jeff Hostetler had a great defense. He didn’t have to put up big numbers all he had to do was manage games.
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in 90 but in 91 there were a ton of changes and mostly to the defensive side of the staff with parcells retiring for health reasons and belichick getting hired in cleveland.
 
You only need one hand to count the number of Super Bowls won by FA QBs who were released by their original team. If you like those odds then go ahead and build your team around a FA QB.
 
MikeB80 said:
in 90 but in 91 there were a ton of changes and mostly to the defensive side of the staff with parcells retiring for health reasons and belichick getting hired in cleveland.
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The 1990 Giants could have won the Super Bowl with any QB all they did was run the ball and play defense.
 
KJJ said:
Jeff Hostetler had a great defense. He didn’t have to put up big numbers all he had to do was manage games.
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That's not to say he couldn't put up big numbers if he had to. He once completed over 82% of his 34 pass attempts for 368 yards against the Cowboys in 1991. It was rarely needed with the Giants. Really, that was also true of Aikman in the early 90's. Former Miami QB, Bob Griese is in the Hall of Fame. In Super Bowl 7 he threw 11 times total. In Super Bowl 8 he threw 7. When he walked onto the field, I could imagine him carrying a brief case.

When Hostetler left the Giants he went to the Raiders and he threw far more......successfully. He made the Pro Bowl as a Raider.

The same was also true for Romo. He could have been far more successful if the coaches, Garrett in particular, had made more of an effort to keep the offense balanced. There were times when they had a very capable running attack but were too obsessed with being a dynamic passing team.

In fact, Tony Romo was the #1 QB in passer rating in 2014 and he threw the fewest passes as a full time starter that season. That happened the same season that Murray ran for 1800 yards.
 
plasticman said:
That's not to say he couldn't put up big numbers if he had to. He once completed over 82% of his 34 pass attempts for 368 yards against the Cowboys in 1991. It was rarely needed with the Giants. Really, that was also true of Aikman in the early 90's. Former Miami QB, Bob Griese is in the Hall of Fame. In Super Bowl 7 he threw 11 times total. In Super Bowl 8 he threw 7. When he walked onto the field, I could imagine him carrying a brief case.

When Hostetler left the Giants he went to the Raiders and he threw far more......successfully. He made the Pro Bowl as a Raider.

The same was also true for Romo. He could have been far more successful if the coaches, Garrett in particular, had made more of an effort to keep the offense balanced. There were times when they had a very capable running attack but were too obsessed with being a dynamic passing team.

In fact, Tony Romo was the #1 QB in passer rating in 2014 and he threw the fewest passes as a full time starter that season. That happened the same season that Murray ran for 1800 yards.
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Not going to get into a big debate over Jeff Hostetler he was an average QB who benefited from having a solid running game and great defense.
 
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