Cowboys | R. Williams left out of specific package

[WoodysGirl]

maybe it was between you and Rack, I know it was you and somebody arguing about which it was

For some reason, that sounds like a Rack/theogt/Fuzzy argument..

 

[theogt]

For some reason, that sounds like a Rack/theogt/Fuzzy argument..

That's a pretty big net you're casting.

 

[WoodysGirl]

That's a pretty big net you're casting.

Only because you guys are known for engaging in tedious arguments that go for hundreds of posts . Throw a lil B.S. (Bob) in there and my eyes glaze.

 

[AdamJT13]

Question, Adam. How often was the dime package used last year? When I think "dime," I don't really think of it as a package that is used very often.

Because of the changes in offensive rules, I know the nickle is used as much as the based defense nowadays.

Right now, I'm in the process of going through all 1,032 of our defensive snaps last season and keeping track of which defense we were in. When I'm finished, I'll be able to answer that more precisely.

I can tell you that we averaged 2.44 cornerbacks per play. Without having counted yet, I'm pretty sure we had more plays with four cornerbacks on the field than with one on the field (such as short-yardage situations), so we probably were in a dime package 35-40 percent of the time. Most of those were "dime safety" packages rather than "dime corner" packages.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Right now, I'm in the process of going through all 1,032 of our defensive snaps last season and keeping track of which defense we were in. When I'm finished, I'll be able to answer that more precisely.

I can tell you that we averaged 2.44 cornerbacks per play. Without having counted yet, I'm pretty sure we had more plays with four cornerbacks on the field than with one on the field (such as short-yardage situations), so we probably were in a dime package 35-40 percent of the time. Most of those were "dime safety" packages rather than "dime corner" packages.

Oh ok. 35-40% seems kinda high, but I'll take your word for it...and wait patiently for you to complete your research.

 

[AdamJT13]

I certainly don't remember.

I remember him claiming once that Wade had called Roy a "nickel linebacker" or something in a PC once. And since I had recapped every PC that offseason, I knew that he hadn't.

What Phillips said was, "Some people call it a linebacker, some people call it a dime back. Whatever. But he's not playing deep half or deep quarter or anything like that. He's playing short zone and blitz." http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2007/05/roys_officially_a_dime_back_not_a_nickel.html

It was Spagnola and some of the other media who called him a nickel linebacker.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

For some reason, that sounds like a Rack/theogt/Fuzzy argument..

sure does, although I do admit to getting into a zone-blitz argument w/ theo

Only because you guys are known for engaging in tedious arguments that go for hundreds of posts . Throw a lil B.S. (Bob) in there and my eyes glaze.

yes!

 

[theogt]

Oh ok. 35-40% seems kinda high, but I'll take your word for it...and wait patiently for you to complete your research.

Well, 3rd downs are 1/3 of your snaps. Then you have 1st and 2nd downs when teams run 3+ receiver sets, which is obviously more often nowadays.

 

[theogt]

What Phillips said was, "Some people call it a linebacker, some people call it a dime back. Whatever. But he's not playing deep half or deep quarter or anything like that. He's playing short zone and blitz." http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2007/05/roys_officially_a_dime_back_not_a_nickel.html

It was Spagnola and some of the other media who called him a nickel linebacker.

Yeah, I remember.

 

[Nors]

2008 He's at best a situational LB, situational SS and Full Time Special Teamer.

All coverage responsibilities are gone with the talent our secondary has now.

 

[theogt]

2008 He's at best a situational LB, situational SS and Full Time Special Teamer.

All coverage responsibilities are gone with the talent our secondary has now.

That gets him more snaps on defense than every player except for about 3 or 4.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Well, 3rd downs are 1/3 of your snaps. Then you have 1st and 2nd downs when teams run 3+ receiver sets, which is obviously more often nowadays.

I guess I'm looking at it like the nickle package is played closer to 50% So if the dime package is played, then (in my mind), the percentage in nickle would go down. But the nickle package would be closer to the 35-40%, and dime would be 15-20%.

Just my fuzzy math thinking out loud.

 

[theogt]

I guess I'm looking at it like the nickle package is played closer to 50% So if the dime package is played, then (in my mind), the percentage in nickle would go down. But the nickle package would be closer to the 35-40%, and dime would be 15-20%.

Just my fuzzy math thinking out loud.

Well, to my knowledge we didn't run a single true nickel package last year. There may have been a handful sprinkled throughout, but I don't recall any.

 

[Hoofbite]

2008 He's at best a situational LB, situational SS and Full Time Special Teamer.

All coverage responsibilities are gone with the talent our secondary has now.

What do you mean "now"? Wasn't there a lot of talent there last year?

 

[WoodysGirl]

Well, to my knowledge we didn't run a single true nickel package last year. There may have been a handful sprinkled throughout, but I don't recall any.

Well it's not like I know for sure. The 50% I have in my mind comes from all the media reports about how your third corner is probably playing 50% of the time. So take my logic and stretch it so that it says "nickle."

 

[AdamJT13]

That gets him more snaps on defense than every player except for about 3 or 4.

Roy played the third-most snaps of anyone on our defense last season, behind only Ware and Hamlin.

 

[Seven]

That gets him more snaps on defense than every player except for about 3 or 4.

I guess I'm looking at it like the nickle package is played closer to 50% So if the dime package is played, then (in my mind), the percentage in nickle would go down. But the nickle package would be closer to the 35-40%, and dime would be 15-20%.

Just my fuzzy math thinking out loud.

Agreed. Lots of playing time either way.

 

[theogt]

Well it's not like I know for sure. The 50% I have in my mind comes from all the media reports about how your third corner is probably playing 50% of the time. So take my logic and stretch it so that it says "nickle."

Our "nickel" was really just our "dime safety" package.

I guess you could think of it in terms of our "dime safety" being our nickel and our "dime corner" being our dime.

 

[Seven]

Well, to my knowledge we didn't run a single true nickel package last year. There may have been a handful sprinkled throughout, but I don't recall any.

Well to my knowledge......................semantics, as usual.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I just call it the "whatever" package