Cowboys rooting guide - Playoffs vs Tank

[rambo2]

And I'll tell you 70% of reactions are we should not pick him we should pick somebody else with a higher rating anywhere else on the team with a big hole in it and pick our guy in the second or third round we can get a great running back see that's why you're not A GM I know he seems to be the best running back the drop and he is not he is one of them there's like 8 really good ones and there are three or four of them that can fill our needs the same way if not better this dude has a lot of mileage on him you can't fall in love with the dream hell even the heisman voters saw it..

There's a lot of people including me that feel that if there is a better player on the board when you're picking you do not reach for the running back even if it's a tie you take the corner you take the pass rusher you take somebody besides a running back because there are a lot of really good running backs in this draft do not be blinded because he was the biggest talk of the here I'm not saying he's a bad player and that he wouldn't be a good pick for us I'm saying he would not be a good pick for us in the first round...

So this is where you're gone wrong you're an Internet GM that feels like we should take Jeanty, no matter what and a lot of us are saying no you don't there's got to be a better wide receiver or an interior D lineman or a pass rusher or a middle linebacker or somebody besides a running back ...

look what we're doing lately with Rico we can get a guy better than Rico in the third round we got Tony in the fourth round you're having like blinding light for one big name and that is not how the draft works.. I'm not saying I'd be upset if they took him I'm saying the better draft strategy says you probably should pass on him in the top 15 now if we happen to be at 17 or 18 and he's there then maybe you go get him but not all of us feel that way about him just think about all the mileage he has on his body right now how much can we get out of him you have to think about that that's what happened to Ezekiel Elliott he got overused in college he got over used his first four years and it all caught up to him..

Jeanty is clearly one of the best players in the draft at this point. He would be the bpa when the Cowboys pick.

 

[blueblood70]

Jeanty is clearly one of the best players in the draft at this point. He would be the bpa when the Cowboys pick.

How do you know how do you know what grade professionals have on each player??

running back tied with two other positions in BPA you take one of your other bigger needs because you can get a running back close to his level in the second or third round go do your research..

This is why we shouldn't talk about the draft right now wait the combine wait till the real mock draft start coming out not in the middle of a year and which is not over yet nobody knows where they're picking in the draft and who's available and when they might pop up in the draft This is why we're not discussing this nonsense now he is one of the better players in the draft to make him the best pick when we pick..

Running backs with that kind of mileage and overuse in college and the fact that he played low level college teams says that you can skip over him and get something close to equal this is going to be in the same mindset as we took Ezekiel at #4 instead of Ramsey and could've got Henry in the second round remember that talk??

there's a lot of people here that thought that would be better if Henry would have been available which I don't think he would've been but they should've said we skipped back in the first round because you can get something close to the same level in the next round or two there's like 8 really good running backs in this draft that's what I'm trying to tell you but there are less defensive tackles less wide receivers less linebackers less pass rushers so you take those over the running back if all things are equal... so we have to find out at draft day what's equal This is why guys slide down the draft boards ,

like I already mentioned TJ Watt how does he end up in the bottom five of the first round

I can tell you why because drafts are not perfect you never know who's falling where it doesn't matter where you pick it's who you pick, I'm pretty sure the Steelers are pretty happy to get TJ Watt at like what 26 they got 26th??!!

I believe in the first round he's still playing, we took Taco that's the point it's not where you pick ,it's who you pick ,there's great players all over every round, you just have to get one you have to do your due diligence ,you can't have your mind made-up Yep we're picking the running back if he's there, no that's not how it works,


that's how a fans mind think that's why you think tanking is something real and it's not that's why you think tanking is appropriate and it's not it doesn't matter there are great players all over the draft in every round you just have to find them that's how we get a guy like bland in the fifth round, Osa inthe 3rd Diggs inthe 2nd because of decisions like you're thinking guys like them get passed over where they should have been picked so they will be there..,

 

[Ranching]

Nobody will remember who won these games. Your draft determines future success.

B.S. why would you watch if you don't want to win? Draft doesn't guarantee anything, except more criticism of the front office. Rooting for losing to get a spot or two higher on the draft board?

 

[Ranching]

And I'll tell you 70% of reactions are we should not pick him we should pick somebody else with a higher rating anywhere else on the team with a big hole in it and pick our guy in the second or third round we can get a great running back see that's why you're not A GM I know he seems to be the best running back the drop and he is not he is one of them there's like 8 really good ones and there are three or four of them that can fill our needs the same way if not better this dude has a lot of mileage on him you can't fall in love with the dream hell even the heisman voters saw it..

There's a lot of people including me that feel that if there is a better player on the board when you're picking you do not reach for the running back even if it's a tie you take the corner you take the pass rusher you take somebody besides a running back because there are a lot of really good running backs in this draft do not be blinded because he was the biggest talk of the here I'm not saying he's a bad player and that he wouldn't be a good pick for us I'm saying he would not be a good pick for us in the first round...

So this is where you're gone wrong you're an Internet GM that feels like we should take Jeanty, no matter what and a lot of us are saying no you don't there's got to be a better wide receiver or an interior D lineman or a pass rusher or a middle linebacker or somebody besides a running back ...

look what we're doing lately with Rico we can get a guy better than Rico in the third round we got Tony in the fourth round you're having like blinding light for one big name and that is not how the draft works.. I'm not saying I'd be upset if they took him I'm saying the better draft strategy says you probably should pass on him in the top 15 now if we happen to be at 17 or 18 and he's there then maybe you go get him but not all of us feel that way about him just think about all the mileage he has on his body right now how much can we get out of him you have to think about that that's what happened to Ezekiel Elliott he got overused in college he got over used his first four years and it all caught up to him..

Many say it's stupid to draft a RB in the first round, but want us to lose so that we can draft a RB in the first round! Comedy at its best.

 

[rambo2]

B.S. why would you watch if you don't want to win? Draft doesn't guarantee anything, except more criticism of the front office. Rooting for losing to get a spot or two higher on the draft board?

See San Antonio Spurs

 

[blueblood70]

Many say it's stupid to draft a RB in the first round, but want us to lose so that we can draft a RB in the first round! Comedy at its best.

I'm not saying don't take the guy, but you have to weigh the moment at the time that they're picking ,who's on the board and what's the bigger need in BPA, what's the grade on each player, you got to pass on the running back because you got too many holes to fill if it's all things being equal i say pass on Jeanty.. He has a lot of mileage on him and didn't play high level conferences so how long will he last a giant NFL Ds?? So I have a concern unless he's clearly and I mean a big gap when you're picking that he's the best player yes you take him we don't even know where we're picking it who's going to be on the board when we're picking it everyone's actually coming to a conclusion that if he's there just pick him and that would be bad in my opinion but if we get him I'm not going to be upset because we're probably picking 10 to 15 and that's a good spot for him but I prefer to get a better pass rusher or a linebacker or wide receiver there or an interior D lineman because those are harder to get than running backs in the second and third...

I think people think I'm crazy and I'm just saying this no I'm not I'm saying that we are talking about this too early because we don't know who's going to be on the board and when we're picking that will be important you pick the best player but that also fits your needs and we have a ton of needs it's not like we're reaching our needs are vast and I'd rather pick the better skill players in the 1st and then get our running back in the second and third round there are a lot of them there's at least four that people have very high on their list and more and I'm watching these playoff games there's some really good talent at running back coming out and can be had day 2.....

 

[Ranching]

See San Antonio Spurs

Basketball! Lol! Two different animals...I'd figure you would know the difference. I guess, not.

 

[blueblood70]

See San Antonio Spurs

NBA ??lmao this is the NFL stay in this lane..


see the Browns, jags, jets, giants, and many others picking high and still bad. hell remember that year the cards got Kliff and that new 1st round qb and picked high and then let them both go the next year, happens all over the NFL those picking in the top 10 have been doing so for decades with little change. How bad are the Chicago Bears that they've had how many first round picks still can't find a quarterback I don't think they've ever had a great quarterback but they're always picking high show me all their success I mean I'm just giving you a few examples, I want to do this all day most of the time these teams are better picking high in the draft or the bad teams and they seem to still continue to be bad...

occasionally one rises but excuse me if I don't notice the fact that the Browns tried for decades to get a first round quarterback sometimes they had three first rounders to pick from in the same year and where do they have to do go out and overpay and use draft picks to get Deshaun Watson and that fails the same thing with the Denver Broncos how long have they been looking for their guy and had to end up going to get Russell Wilson cut him eat all his money and just now maybe have found a quarterback but it's still too soon we don't know about Bo Nix until about 3 years from now but how long has it been they had to go get Manning had to go get Russell Wilson because they couldn't find anything in the draft they picked time to draft all the time..

how about tank for tua fans got upset owner fired HC because he won 3 games to close the season and thought hey lost Tua, crazy he fell to them anyway, still didn't hep Miami huh got the guy still haven't won squat.. we got many players from 10-15 that turned out great..

But go ahead show me an example of the last great running back that was picked in the first round that literally changed the team he ended up on that brought them to a Super Bowl that led them to a Super Bowl win show me these great players the ones winning the Rush crown show me in the rookie contracts how they just changed their teams I mean literally show me because last time I remember the last time that actually happened where the top running backs from the regular season and under their rookie deals they want a Russian crown and ended up playing and being very important in the Super bowl would be Terrell Davis and I don't even think he was drafted I can't remember he may have went late in the draft and then Emmett Smith show me all the great runners we talk about today that in their original teams under their original deals that they made it that big an impact where you should pick one that high?>

you can't name one because there isn't all the greatest running backs of our time like including Derrick Henry and yes Ezekiel Elliott in his prime Christian McCaffrey when he was younger saquon Barkley in his first contract with the giants none of these guys did anything in the playoffs or in the Super bowl none of them with their original teams they literally got free agent contracts now making bigger money and still Christian McCaffrey with the 49ers did not get them over the top they still lost the Super bowl just like they did without him you keep trying to convince us that there are that big an impact that you can't get a guy of equal value at running back in the second or third round i haven't been paying attention Derek henry went in the second round.

But all the players from the last I don't know six or seven years the running backs like Jacobs, Taylor, Henry, none of these guys who won a Rush crown did anything in the playoffs or in the Super bowl??? I mean he did not elevate their teams which by the way the teams they ended up on now the guys you keep talking about Henry ,Jacobs ,and Saquon Barkley all went to teams that were in the playoffs already the year before Christie McCaffrey, same thing he went to a team that already was that good none of them have elevated their teams yet we haven't seen anything this year that shows their free agent signings is as good as they've looked so far we don't know until the playoffs I haven't seen a running back be that big impactful that you should have to put them as a priority in the first round....

 

[Ranching]

I'm not saying don't take the guy, but you have to weigh the moment at the time that they're picking ,who's on the board and what's the bigger need in BPA, what's the grade on each player, you got to pass on the running back because you got too many holes to fill if it's all things being equal i say pass on Jeanty.. He has a lot of mileage on him and didn't play high level conferences so how long will he last a giant NFL Ds?? So I have a concern unless he's clearly and I mean a big gap when you're picking that he's the best player yes you take him we don't even know where we're picking it who's going to be on the board when we're picking it everyone's actually coming to a conclusion that if he's there just pick him and that would be bad in my opinion but if we get him I'm not going to be upset because we're probably picking 10 to 15 and that's a good spot for him but I prefer to get a better pass rusher or a linebacker or wide receiver there or an interior D lineman because those are harder to get than running backs in the second and third...

I think people think I'm crazy and I'm just saying this no I'm not I'm saying that we are talking about this too early because we don't know who's going to be on the board and when we're picking that will be important you pick the best player but that also fits your needs and we have a ton of needs it's not like we're reaching our needs are vast and I'd rather pick the better skill players in the 1st and then get our running back in the second and third round there are a lot of them there's at least four that people have very high on their list and more and I'm watching these playoff games there's some really good talent at running back coming out and can be had day 2.....

I'd like him too....if he's there, great, if not...so be it. No matter who we pick, a certain group won't be happy.

 

[blueblood70]

I'd like him too....if he's there, great, if not...so be it. No matter who we pick, a certain group won't be happy.

Exactly

if they pick him, they pick him ..i wont be mad..

however, I'm more apt to want to improve our defense there's a lot of positions we can get if there's one better or equal value you take the defender or you take a wide receiver you know can change your offense more than a running back...the chiefs used 7th rounder and street FA to run the ball. Didn't need a 1strounder heck Edward's was heir 1st rounder and fizzled out fast..irony huh best teams in the NFL this past 5 years didn't use a high draft pick on a Runner?? who was the rams RB a few years ago? right not much of name there and they won.

you can get these running backs on day 2, which I believe that's their plan, but again I won't be unhappy if they pick this guy, but I've seen the history of the NFL there isn't very many of these top drafted running backs that have impacted their teams enough to make it worth reaching for one when there's others to be had later in the draft..

they definitely need to get one I hope it is on day 2 but this kid thinks that that's all there is Rambo thinks that this is the guy that's going to the Dallas Cowboys and that's where he's just wrong right now the way Rico is running it's really more about how the offensive line is blocking the offensive scheme in the play caller and if you get a really good running back in the draft anywhere it's going to help your team but it can hurt your team if you take 1 , a bigger need in the first round in my opinion,

I don't think that's what where Rambo is missing our point they act like that he should be the only guy if he's on the board you take him automatically now you have to still consider other options with all the injuries we've had on defense and the players that may be coming back to start the year, maybe late next year, you have to probably get defense first, unless it's clear that the running back is better than any of the options on the board at defense or wide receiver..

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Dallas can't even lose the right way. Should have been tanking for weeks.

LOL

 

[rambo2]

NBA ??lmao this is the NFL stay in this lane..


see the Browns, jags, jets, giants, and many others picking high and still bad. hell remember that year the cards got Kliff and that new 1st round qb and picked high and then let them both go the next year, happens all over the NFL those picking in the top 10 have been doing so for decades with little change. How bad are the Chicago Bears that they've had how many first round picks still can't find a quarterback I don't think they've ever had a great quarterback but they're always picking high show me all their success I mean I'm just giving you a few examples, I want to do this all day most of the time these teams are better picking high in the draft or the bad teams and they seem to still continue to be bad...

occasionally one rises but excuse me if I don't notice the fact that the Browns tried for decades to get a first round quarterback sometimes they had three first rounders to pick from in the same year and where do they have to do go out and overpay and use draft picks to get Deshaun Watson and that fails the same thing with the Denver Broncos how long have they been looking for their guy and had to end up going to get Russell Wilson cut him eat all his money and just now maybe have found a quarterback but it's still too soon we don't know about Bo Nix until about 3 years from now but how long has it been they had to go get Manning had to go get Russell Wilson because they couldn't find anything in the draft they picked time to draft all the time..

how about tank for tua fans got upset owner fired HC because he won 3 games to close the season and thought hey lost Tua, crazy he fell to them anyway, still didn't hep Miami huh got the guy still haven't won squat.. we got many players from 10-15 that turned out great..

But go ahead show me an example of the last great running back that was picked in the first round that literally changed the team he ended up on that brought them to a Super Bowl that led them to a Super Bowl win show me these great players the ones winning the Rush crown show me in the rookie contracts how they just changed their teams I mean literally show me because last time I remember the last time that actually happened where the top running backs from the regular season and under their rookie deals they want a Russian crown and ended up playing and being very important in the Super bowl would be Terrell Davis and I don't even think he was drafted I can't remember he may have went late in the draft and then Emmett Smith show me all the great runners we talk about today that in their original teams under their original deals that they made it that big an impact where you should pick one that high?>

you can't name one because there isn't all the greatest running backs of our time like including Derrick Henry and yes Ezekiel Elliott in his prime Christian McCaffrey when he was younger saquon Barkley in his first contract with the giants none of these guys did anything in the playoffs or in the Super bowl none of them with their original teams they literally got free agent contracts now making bigger money and still Christian McCaffrey with the 49ers did not get them over the top they still lost the Super bowl just like they did without him you keep trying to convince us that there are that big an impact that you can't get a guy of equal value at running back in the second or third round i haven't been paying attention Derek henry went in the second round.

But all the players from the last I don't know six or seven years the running backs like Jacobs, Taylor, Henry, none of these guys who won a Rush crown did anything in the playoffs or in the Super bowl??? I mean he did not elevate their teams which by the way the teams they ended up on now the guys you keep talking about Henry ,Jacobs ,and Saquon Barkley all went to teams that were in the playoffs already the year before Christie McCaffrey, same thing he went to a team that already was that good none of them have elevated their teams yet we haven't seen anything this year that shows their free agent signings is as good as they've looked so far we don't know until the playoffs I haven't seen a running back be that big impactful that you should have to put them as a priority in the first round....

See Troy Aikman.

 

[fivetwos]

Rooting to lose for a better pick this year is a ridiculous exercise. As bad as this year has been, there are at least eight teams doing worse.

Dallas is virtually guaranteed to draft between 9-14. What the real difference?

Kiper has four DTs in his top 19 players. Sounds fine to me.

Now….if you don’t mind losing so you can see Jerry miserable instead of talking up his crappy product and the job he is doing, that’s something different.

 

[rambo2]

Rooting to lose for a better pick this year is a ridiculous exercise. As bad as this year has been, there are at least eight teams doing worse.

Dallas is virtually guaranteed to draft between 9-14. What the real difference?

Kiper has four DTs in his top 19 players. Sounds fine to me.

Now….if you don’t mind losing so you can see Jerry miserable instead of talking up his crappy product and the job he is doing, that’s something different.

The difference is 5 picks in every single round. Where it hurts the most is in the 2nd round.

 

[phildadon86]

And I'll tell you 70% of reactions are we should not pick him we should pick somebody else with a higher rating anywhere else on the team with a big hole in it and pick our guy in the second or third round we can get a great running back see that's why you're not A GM I know he seems to be the best running back the drop and he is not he is one of them there's like 8 really good ones and there are three or four of them that can fill our needs the same way if not better this dude has a lot of mileage on him you can't fall in love with the dream hell even the heisman voters saw it..

There's a lot of people including me that feel that if there is a better player on the board when you're picking you do not reach for the running back even if it's a tie you take the corner you take the pass rusher you take somebody besides a running back because there are a lot of really good running backs in this draft do not be blinded because he was the biggest talk of the here I'm not saying he's a bad player and that he wouldn't be a good pick for us I'm saying he would not be a good pick for us in the first round...

So this is where you're gone wrong you're an Internet GM that feels like we should take Jeanty, no matter what and a lot of us are saying no you don't there's got to be a better wide receiver or an interior D lineman or a pass rusher or a middle linebacker or somebody besides a running back ...

look what we're doing lately with Rico we can get a guy better than Rico in the third round we got Tony in the fourth round you're having like blinding light for one big name and that is not how the draft works.. I'm not saying I'd be upset if they took him I'm saying the better draft strategy says you probably should pass on him in the top 15 now if we happen to be at 17 or 18 and he's there then maybe you go get him but not all of us feel that way about him just think about all the mileage he has on his body right now how much can we get out of him you have to think about that that's what happened to Ezekiel Elliott he got overused in college he got over used his first four years and it all caught up to him..

The draft is more important to this team than the other 31 because this team refuses to use FA. Which makes them have to hit on every pick. Which is hard to do when you’re trading 4ths for guys who will never play, or guys who just aren’t good. And when the second round is your play time round.

 

[phildadon86]

The difference is 5 picks in every single round. Where it hurts the most is in the 2nd round.

That doesn’t matter.

This team squanders the second round more often than someone hitting 00 on the roulette wheel.

 

[Hardline]

Rooting to lose for a better pick this year is a ridiculous exercise. As bad as this year has been, there are at least eight teams doing worse.

Dallas is virtually guaranteed to draft between 9-14. What the real difference?

Kiper has four DTs in his top 19 players. Sounds fine to me.

Now….if you don’t mind losing so you can see Jerry miserable instead of talking up his crappy product and the job he is doing, that’s something different.

The difference between 9 and 14 is the talent level between them.It could mean the difference in drafting a super star and drafting a bust. I know there are many examples of late round picks out performing early picks but the odds go way down.

 

[blueblood70]

See Troy Aikman.

Not RBS BUT

See

Pat Mahomes.13th overall.

Tom Brady 6th round

Russ Wilson 3rd round

Aaron donald 13th overall

watt 26th Overall

HM; Dak 4th round and brock purdy last player taken in draft

None were high draft picks but Great NFL players again ALL OVER THE DRAFT



you're not gonna win this debate our point overrules yours because we find great names great players that made the Hall of Fame or are considered franchise players not high in the draft but you can keep talking all you want you're not making appointment then you after running background you had to mention Troy who needed a Hall of Fame offensive lineman a Hall of Fame running back a Hall of Fame defense and one of the best coaching stats ever assembled just to be good look at his stats he wasn't even one of the best quarterbacks of his era he was just in the conversation but look at all those other ones up above the one with the most Super Bowls was picked in the 6th freaking round.. lmao

you're trying real hard but you're not going to win you pick where you pick and there's good players to great players and even Hall of Fame players where was Terrell Davis picked, 6th round HMmm ?

 

[fivetwos]

The difference between 9 and 14 is the talent level between them.It could mean the difference in drafting a super star and drafting a bust. I know there are many examples of late round picks out performing early picks but the odds go way down.

Well sure, higher is better than lower, but there are countless examples of how pick 9-ish busted and 14-ish hit. Micah being a recent example. They lose one more game that year and you’ve got Horn instead.

It’s not as if there’s a Peyton Manning sitting there and a win takes us out of the top pick. In that case, I’d be all over team tank as I was in 1988 before anyone recognized it was a thing….and they actually didn’t try to lose on purpose, they were just that bad (and almost blew it).

Personally, I’m indifferent at his point and those who want to lose probably don’t have to root too hard for it to happen.

Jeanty is a nice player but if this team doesn’t fix DT this is all moot, and they sure aren’t signing a decent FA. I’m sure Jerry thinks we are a RB away from glory. Seems like the perfect year to be drafting where we are likely to be based on Kipers rankings.

 

[Hardline]

Not RBS BUT

See

Pat Mahomes.13th overall.

Tom Brady 6th round

Russ Wilson 3rd round

Aaron donald 13th overall

watt 26th Overall

HM; Dak 4th round and brock purdy last player taken in draft

None were high draft picks but Great NFL players again ALL OVER THE DRAFT



you're not gonna win this debate our point overrules yours because we find great names great players that made the Hall of Fame or are considered franchise players not high in the draft but you can keep talking all you want you're not making appointment then you after running background you had to mention Troy who needed a Hall of Fame offensive lineman a Hall of Fame running back a Hall of Fame defense and one of the best coaching stats ever assembled just to be good look at his stats he wasn't even one of the best quarterbacks of his era he was just in the conversation but look at all those other ones up above the one with the most Super Bowls was picked in the 6th freaking round.. lmao

you're trying real hard but you're not going to win you pick where you pick and there's good players to great players and even Hall of Fame players where was Terrell Davis picked, 6th round HMmm ?

Those are exceptions not the rule. Do a comparison of all the Hall of Famers drafted in the early rounds as opposed to late rounds and undrafted free agency. You just cherry picked a few names to make your point.
You give me rounds 1 through 3 and Ill give you rounds 4 through undrafted free agency and Ill have a substantial advantage over you.