Cowboys Salary Room: Stephen Jones - 'Cap Boy'? - Gives Dallas Top Spot in NFC East

[Momanpr100]

People are remedial, the cap space is necessary to resign our guys that people are so concerned we're gonna loose. We only have I believe 1 roster spot available, and that's most likely for a kicker. So what's this new talent in the middle of June are we suppose to sign?

 

[EenonyMoose]

People are remedial, the cap space is necessary to resign our guys that people are so concerned we're gonna loose. We only have I believe 1 roster spot available, and that's most likely for a kicker. So what's this new talent in the middle of June are we suppose to sign?

Exactly. You basically have 15 million to cover the prorated signing bonuses this year for Dak, Ceedee, and Diggs. If these extensions had been done earlier, Dallas would be looking at about 5 million in leftover space and the amateur bloggers would have to find some other BS to wildly speculate on.

 

[BigStar]

They did not have this $20 million at the time. $10 million came from Zeke being a June 1st cut.
I believe they have $5 million, then restructured some deal to gt to the $10 million.

And who was really out there that would be THAT DIFFERENCE MAKER?
They made 2 very good deals to get Gilmore and Cooks. So no need to spend on big $$$ FA's that was not going to cripple the cap for years.
They will have that coming up next year until they do something about Dak and his $59 million cap hit.

I am perfectly fine with how they handled this. I am not one to scream. ... sign a FA, sign a FA, then most will whine later they suck because the spent high $$$ on that FA, who is not living up to the contract.

I do like the Gilmore and Cooks pick ups and would agree that those moves were more aggressive for this FO than we typically see in FA and appreciated. Mostly just pointing out when would've been the time to maximize this cap space (sounds like we couldn't anyhow due to timing of Zeke being designated a June 1st cut) so my point is a bit moot tbh bc they waited too long to designate him.

We had similar cap space last year and didn't know what the plan was for rolling it over or whether they could've been more aggressive out of the gate bc we're in the same situation again a year later. They rolled it over last year after not utilizing the cap room, etc.

I would prefer to use the funds on Lamb and Diggs bc we can't quite re-sign Micah just yet.

Maybe a starting LB, G or TE on a 1 year type of deal would've fit, but nothing game changing that I'm seeing who've signed 1-2 year deals. In summary, I hope it's not intended for Dak...lol (it is)

 

[plasticman]

From what I understand, teams can carry over unused cap space to the next year. I believe that is what the Cowboys have been desperately trying to do. They want to resign their young stars rather than use the money on some other team's over-the-hill hero.

 

[gtb1943]

From what I understand, teams can carry over unused cap space to the next year. I believe that is what the Cowboys have been desperately trying to do. They want to resign their young stars rather than use the money on some other team's over-the-hill hero.

Nothing new here; move on.

We like our guys.

Its a process.

 

[CowboyoWales]

From what I understand, teams can carry over unused cap space to the next year. I believe that is what the Cowboys have been desperately trying to do. They want to resign their young stars rather than use the money on some other team's over-the-hill hero.

Yep, he may be looking at a rollover to ensure we've got CAP available for 2024 (to offset Dak's $59m). If we extend Cee Dee we reduce his $17m into signing bonus which'll give us approx $50m.....that gives Dak two year to earn the extension, and enough to extend Biadasz, Steele, Diggs and poss Pollard.

 

[CowboyoWales]

We had similar cap space last year and didn't know what the plan was for rolling it over or whether they could've been more aggressive out of the gate bc we're in the same situation again a year later. They rolled it over last year after not utilizing the cap room, etc.

They're probably worried about only having just $24m left in 2024 Cap....I wonder if they're concerned that as France knows this he'll abuse them with the extension demands. If we show we have $50m+ (carrying over $20m + the $24m Space + CeeDee first year contract lowering the existing $17m) this will give us the option of playing out Dak in 2024 on the existing contract rather than compounding issue (if he's unable to step up his game).

 

[sarge1116]

Too bad the OP had to throw another tantrum- this is actually a pretty decent topic. The real accomplishment of the Eagles was getting elite QB play on a rookie contract. Getting incredible trade value for Wentz and stockpiling draft capital. The Eagles gained this advantage while the Cowboys had to start paying $40 million a year for their QB. But now the bills are coming due. Let's see who manages the cap better over the next couple of seasons.

My bet is on the eagles. They have been kicking the can down the road for years as the cap goes up. Plus jalen hurts numbers are not that bad over the next 4 years. I think his highest cap number is like 20 mil during that span.

 

[BigStar]

They're probably worried about only having just $24m left in 2024 Cap....I wonder if they're concerned that as France knows this he'll abuse them with the extension demands. If we show we have $50m+ (carrying over $20m + the $24m Space + CeeDee first year contract lowering the existing $17m) this will give us the option of playing out Dak in 2024 on the existing contract rather than compounding issue (if he's unable to step up his game).

That's a different angle but you may onto something there. Like that scenario a heckuva a lot better than standing pat and makes some sense bc you would think they would wrap up Lamb this year on the 5th year tag but they're waiting it out for some reason...that some reason now makes more sense the way you paint the Dak situation leading into 2024.

Outside the box (great point)

 

[JW82]

He's not called cap boy because he mismanages the cap. He's called that because they will not bring in a top tier free agent, even when they have 20mil in cap space. Unless you win the superbowl, I am not throwing you a party for having a bunch of unused cap space.

 

[CowboyoWales]

That's a different angle but you may onto something there. Like that scenario a heckuva a lot better than standing pat and makes some sense bc you would think they would wrap up Lamb this year on the 5th year tag but they're waiting it out for some reason...that some reason now makes more sense the way you paint the Dak situation leading into 2024.

Outside the box (great point)

It's the 'issue' with Dak and his 2024 $59m CAP hit. Fans and talking heads are assuming we need to restructure it, which gives France a massive upper hand in the negotiation (not that he needs it).

 

[CowboyoWales]

Too bad the OP had to throw another tantrum- this is actually a pretty decent topic. The real accomplishment of the Eagles was getting elite QB play on a rookie contract. Getting incredible trade value for Wentz and stockpiling draft capital. The Eagles gained this advantage while the Cowboys had to start paying $40 million a year for their QB. But now the bills are coming due. Let's see who manages the cap better over the next couple of seasons.

Yep it's amazing how many average/goodish rookie QB's game is improved when playing in a loaded roster.

 

[ESisback]

I noticed if we do well in a certain area it’s downplayed and minimized. Once it becomes a negative again, then the trumpets sound.

 

[doomsday9084]

I'm sorry but that's your opinion on Amari Cooper, that wasn't the mistake made in my opinion,

the mistake we made was maybe not keeping Cedric Wilson

they knew that CD lamb was their number one wide receiver, and they were correct...
You don't pay your number two wide receiver $22 million and that's what was gonna be due if they kept him on the roster any longer than they did, they were up against time and they made a trade much like we did to get cooks and Gilmore,

we got more than say what the Cardinals got for Hopkins or Minnesota got for cook, so they had to outright release them they got didn't even get a fifth rounder...

so let's start with the whole it was a mistake keeping gallup over amari, Gallup was supposed to be the number two wide receiver making $11 million a year he didn't come back as healthy as they hoped maybe that'll pay off this year so we did not have the depth they did not know that James Washington was going to get hurt, that tolbert was gonna be so bad,and that gallup wouldn't come back that was a mistake, yes but the Cooper being released for a fifth rounder was not, it was maybe not having another backup plan in case Gallup didn't work out and that would have been maybe keeping Cedric Wilson, that was the misstep IMO.

2022

Amare $4.9m cap 78r 1180y 9TD
Gallup $4.8m cap 39r 424y 4TD

People are allowed to have the opinion that the earth is flat and that the pyramids were built by aliens. That's silly but feel free. People are also free to continue to try to justify dumping Amare and keeping Gallup. That's also silly. Even the Cowboys recognized they had a pretty serious issue with WR2, which is why they got Cooks and they are now paying Gallup that money to be WR3.

 

[CCBoy]

That's true. But it's not telling the whole story. There are a number of players who need new deals and some FA's were were signed to just one year deals. So as a snapshot of where the Cowboys are today it looks and sounds looks good. But it won't be long and that picture will change a lot. So telling me on June 20th the Cowboys are over $20M under the salary cap doesn't get me overly excited.

Side note - the salary cap is expected to go up around $20M in 2024.

That's when the contract for Parsons comes into view and a tab around #35 M a year as well...

 

[zekecowboy]

Is having 20m$ in unused cap after June 1st good cap management?

It is if you are planning to resign Dak Prescott, Trevon Diggs, CD Lamb, and Micah Parsons going into 2024.

 

[ChrisL97]

I'd trade the cap space for a spot in the NFC Championship game

 

[CowboyoWales]

That's true. But it's not telling the whole story. There are a number of players who need new deals and some FA's were were signed to just one year deals. So as a snapshot of where the Cowboys are today it looks and sounds looks good. But it won't be long and that picture will change a lot. So telling me on June 20th the Cowboys are over $20M under the salary cap doesn't get me overly excited.

Side note - the salary cap is expected to go up around $20M in 2024.

Yep, fans look at individual years, pro's look and project into the future. As it stands, even with the increase, we've only got $24m unallocated of the 2024 CAP (which inc Dak's $59m and CeeDee's $18m), sounds great until you need to factor in: Biadasz, Steele, Pollard, Diggs, a Safety and a CB2 at the very least.

If you add the $20m roll over we can look at signing a good number of those on a 1st year minimum (heavy signing bonus which is prorated). The problem is that EVERY agent is going to want their slice of the increase and as you say that figure's going to disappear quickly, just imagine what France is working on (I hear he want's to make Dak's mom proud of him).

 

[big dog cowboy]

Yep, fans look at individual years, pro's look and project into the future. As it stands, even with the increase, we've only got $24m unallocated of the 2024 CAP (which inc Dak's $59m and CeeDee's $18m), sounds great until you need to factor in: Biadasz, Steele, Pollard, Diggs, a Safety and a CB2 at the very least.

If you add the $20m roll over we can look at signing a good number of those on a 1st year minimum (heavy signing bonus which is prorated). The problem is that EVERY agent is going to want their slice of the increase and as you say that figure's going to disappear quickly, just imagine what France is working on (I hear he want's to make Dak's mom proud of him).

 

[Dools29]

Draft well, don’t utilize free agency, overpay your own marketed players, rollover cap space worth less tomorrow than it is today. Jerry cons fans into thinking we can’t afford all this talent that never wins. Jerry makes the most money. Rinse and repeat.