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[Denim Chicken]

Bo Scarbrough was a 7th round pick and didn't really play special teams in College

Curious where you got his information.

 

[McKDaddy]

1: Tavon Austin's fumble problems were on Punts, not on offense. His career fumble rate is better than Zeke's 2016 fumble rate. I don't remember anybody complaining about Zeke fumbling.

2: Kris Richard with no "s" on the end.

3: Switzer didn't prove anything on offense. He didn't show the speed/elusiveness that I had hoped to see. Beasley wins by being a student of the game in regards to route nuances. I don't know if Switzer can do what Beasley has done. Switzer did not appear to be an option at outside WR.

4: Bo Scarbrough was a 7th round pick and didn't really play special teams in College. He'll have difficult time making the 53 if they count Austin as a RB. The coaches seem to love Rod Smith.

5: Where Jerry tried getting value from character or injury issue players, McClay likes to take players here and there that he believes are much better than their combine/ProDay performance. This year the DE Armstrong is that guy; although, both WRs somewhat fall into that category as well. Armstrong's college coach said he ran a 4.5x and almost all scouting reports praised his speed/quickness. Gallup's numbers were decent but he plays even faster than his timed speed. Same for Wilson. It appears that Armstrong gained too much weight prior to the Combine/Pro-Day.

6: The Cowboys are now very focused on good/great route running. Hurns/Gallup/Wilson are all above average route runners. Beasley has made it despite being tiny because he mastered the nuances of route running. TWill's only real skill is being an OK route runner (TWill is good route runner relative to Dez and Butler). We'll see about the TEs but the draft pick and UDFA both said they spent a lot of time over the years studying Jason Witten.

7: Big Fat DTs that can't move are basically extinct. The Zone Running scheme gashes DLines thst can't flow don't the line Laterally. Zone teams love to see a Big Slow DT. Many Man Blocking teams now run some zone. Even man blocking can run away from the Tub Of Lard player such that they just need 1 blocker to get in the way of that player on many run plays. The 340+ DTs like Snacks Harrison and Dontari Poe are freaks that can run faster than some DEnds.

8: Multiple stats and non-Cowboys focused analysis indicate Dak has been much more accurate than most fans believe.

9. When the highest paid player is a malcontent, that team will have problems. That player needs to go regardless of ability. The Patriots move on from those types of players even when they are great players. Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins, Logan Mankins, etc..

10: Jerry's influence on the draft seems to have been near zero the past two years. The 2nd round picks have been Awuzie and Connor Williams.

11: The "Linehan is running Garrett's offense" phrase should be officially buried. Many many things including direct quotes from Stephen Jones indicate Garrett is now out of offense game-planning starting this season. Linehan pushed out Pollack and Dooley as well as Dez. It seems that something happened to cause Witten to retire. The new WR coach has connections to Linehan and seems to be the opposite of previous WR coaches in the Garrett as HC era. It appears that Garrett was not in favor of the Dez cut; although evidence on that is limited.

12: Kris Richard was in the draft War Room often considering they drafted zero DBs.

Nicely done sir.

 

[Roadtrip635]

TWill is an average route runner, but his value is that he's a pretty good blocking WR and that's something the coaches do value. Was he worth another contract is a different discussion.

 

[jterrell]

Curious where you got his information.

He didn't play much on special teams due to health.
He had a knee issue as a Freshman then the broken leg as a Sophomore.
So his Junior season he didn't really do much on ST at all.

Physically you can see him doing the Rod Smith type things on Special Teams but he'll have to prove that.

 

[xwalker]

Curious where you got his information.

He didn't play much on special teams due to health.
He had a knee issue as a Freshman then the broken leg as a Sophomore.
So his Junior season he didn't really do much on ST at all.

Physically you can see him doing the Rod Smith type things on Special Teams but he'll have to prove that.

As jterrell indicated he didn't play many snaps on ST.

He did have a good performance on ST once but in general he has minimal experience doing it. His competion Rod Smith has extensive ST experience.

 

[big dog cowboy]

10: Jerry's influence on the draft seems to have been near zero the past two years.

That extends to many other parts of the business as well not just the draft.

 

[jrumann59]

Good route running in college means nothing, ok it means something but saying a guy is good route runner does not translate right away in the NFL the guys you line up in front of during games are not going to let you run wide open for 5 yards. NFL DBs are much more handsy than NCAA DBs. WR is boom or bust position just because you can do one thing does not mean you can do another. Brown, Beckham, Jones, and many other of the top receivers were not considered excellent route runners coming out.

 

[Whyjerry]

1: Tavon Austin's fumble problems were on Punts, not on offense. His career fumble rate is better than Zeke's 2016 fumble rate. I don't remember anybody complaining about Zeke fumbling.

2: Kris Richard with no "s" on the end.

3: Switzer didn't prove anything on offense. He didn't show the speed/elusiveness that I had hoped to see. Beasley wins by being a student of the game in regards to route nuances. I don't know if Switzer can do what Beasley has done. Switzer did not appear to be an option at outside WR.

4: Bo Scarbrough was a 7th round pick and didn't really play special teams in College. He'll have difficult time making the 53 if they count Austin as a RB. The coaches seem to love Rod Smith.

5: Where Jerry tried getting value from character or injury issue players, McClay likes to take players here and there that he believes are much better than their combine/ProDay performance. This year the DE Armstrong is that guy; although, both WRs somewhat fall into that category as well. Armstrong's college coach said he ran a 4.5x and almost all scouting reports praised his speed/quickness. Gallup's numbers were decent but he plays even faster than his timed speed. Same for Wilson. It appears that Armstrong gained too much weight prior to the Combine/Pro-Day.

6: The Cowboys are now very focused on good/great route running. Hurns/Gallup/Wilson are all above average route runners. Beasley has made it despite being tiny because he mastered the nuances of route running. TWill's only real skill is being an OK route runner (TWill is good route runner relative to Dez and Butler). We'll see about the TEs but the draft pick and UDFA both said they spent a lot of time over the years studying Jason Witten.

7: Big Fat DTs that can't move are basically extinct. The Zone Running scheme gashes DLines thst can't flow don't the line Laterally. Zone teams love to see a Big Slow DT. Many Man Blocking teams now run some zone. Even man blocking can run away from the Tub Of Lard player such that they just need 1 blocker to get in the way of that player on many run plays. The 340+ DTs like Snacks Harrison and Dontari Poe are freaks that can run faster than some DEnds.

8: Multiple stats and non-Cowboys focused analysis indicate Dak has been much more accurate than most fans believe.

9. When the highest paid player is a malcontent, that team will have problems. That player needs to go regardless of ability. The Patriots move on from those types of players even when they are great players. Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins, Logan Mankins, etc..

10: Jerry's influence on the draft seems to have been near zero the past two years. The 2nd round picks have been Awuzie and Connor Williams.

11: The "Linehan is running Garrett's offense" phrase should be officially buried. Many many things including direct quotes from Stephen Jones indicate Garrett is now out of offense game-planning starting this season. Linehan pushed out Pollack and Dooley as well as Dez. It seems that something happened to cause Witten to retire. The new WR coach has connections to Linehan and seems to be the opposite of previous WR coaches in the Garrett as HC era. It appears that Garrett was not in favor of the Dez cut; although evidence on that is limited.

12: Kris Richard was in the draft War Room often considering they drafted zero DBs.

This is nearly spot on. Great. Can we add for the many Dak haters that the guy slipped down the stretch because he was not healthy. You saw on the show the guy was banged up in Atlanta and Washington. Had problems with his hand. The guy is a rock so not going to complain about being hurt but he was not right. First half of the season he was an MVP candidate.

 

[jterrell]

As jterrell indicated he didn't play many snaps on ST.

He did have a good performance on ST once but in general he has minimal experience doing it. His competion Rod Smith has extensive ST experience.

where I would beg to differ with you tho XW....

Rod Smith is ONLY signed for 2018.
And I don't think the team takes less than 3 real RBs.
So I do think Bo has a really good shot to make the roster even if he is inactive a lot.

 

[tm1119]

Poe is on his 3rd team in 3 years.
Even freaks at Nose Tackle are finding themselves minimally valued.

Snacks played on the 27th best run defense last year.

Teams have simply figured out how to limit NT types.

Cherry picking stats to fit your agenda is fun...Now go back and look at the giants in ‘16 and the Jets in ‘15.

And again, Poe has been on 3 teams in 3 years...let’s convieniently ignore the fact that 1 of those teams was the team that drafted him and that picked up his 5th year option before letting him walk. He signed a 1 year deal with Atlanta and cashed in on free agency after. He was as never cut, and got paid well by Atlanta on that 1 year deal to boot.

Oh and a 330+ guy went in the top 15 of the draft this year.

Ignoring the fact that I already acknowledged that those 2 are the exceptions and not what we should be going after, what’s your point? That Snacks and Poe aren’t still very good football players? If so you have no clue what you’re talking about

 

[VACowboy]

Neither have impressed me with their game plans, play calling or adjustments. Hopefully all of the personnel changes implies they will be making changes and improvements to their/his/whatever offensive system as well.

I'm happy for any move away from Red Ball.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

1: Tavon Austin's fumble problems were on Punts, not on offense. His career fumble rate is better than Zeke's 2016 fumble rate. I don't remember anybody complaining about Zeke fumbling.

2: Kris Richard with no "s" on the end.

3: Switzer didn't prove anything on offense. He didn't show the speed/elusiveness that I had hoped to see. Beasley wins by being a student of the game in regards to route nuances. I don't know if Switzer can do what Beasley has done. Switzer did not appear to be an option at outside WR.

4: Bo Scarbrough was a 7th round pick and didn't really play special teams in College. He'll have difficult time making the 53 if they count Austin as a RB. The coaches seem to love Rod Smith.

5: Where Jerry tried getting value from character or injury issue players, McClay likes to take players here and there that he believes are much better than their combine/ProDay performance. This year the DE Armstrong is that guy; although, both WRs somewhat fall into that category as well. Armstrong's college coach said he ran a 4.5x and almost all scouting reports praised his speed/quickness. Gallup's numbers were decent but he plays even faster than his timed speed. Same for Wilson. It appears that Armstrong gained too much weight prior to the Combine/Pro-Day.

6: The Cowboys are now very focused on good/great route running. Hurns/Gallup/Wilson are all above average route runners. Beasley has made it despite being tiny because he mastered the nuances of route running. TWill's only real skill is being an OK route runner (TWill is good route runner relative to Dez and Butler). We'll see about the TEs but the draft pick and UDFA both said they spent a lot of time over the years studying Jason Witten.

7: Big Fat DTs that can't move are basically extinct. The Zone Running scheme gashes DLines thst can't flow don't the line Laterally. Zone teams love to see a Big Slow DT. Many Man Blocking teams now run some zone. Even man blocking can run away from the Tub Of Lard player such that they just need 1 blocker to get in the way of that player on many run plays. The 340+ DTs like Snacks Harrison and Dontari Poe are freaks that can run faster than some DEnds.

8: Multiple stats and non-Cowboys focused analysis indicate Dak has been much more accurate than most fans believe.

9. When the highest paid player is a malcontent, that team will have problems. That player needs to go regardless of ability. The Patriots move on from those types of players even when they are great players. Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins, Logan Mankins, etc..

10: Jerry's influence on the draft seems to have been near zero the past two years. The 2nd round picks have been Awuzie and Connor Williams.

11: The "Linehan is running Garrett's offense" phrase should be officially buried. Many many things including direct quotes from Stephen Jones indicate Garrett is now out of offense game-planning starting this season. Linehan pushed out Pollack and Dooley as well as Dez. It seems that something happened to cause Witten to retire. The new WR coach has connections to Linehan and seems to be the opposite of previous WR coaches in the Garrett as HC era. It appears that Garrett was not in favor of the Dez cut; although evidence on that is limited.

12: Kris Richard was in the draft War Room often considering they drafted zero DBs.

I agree with you on most of your points.

Beasley wasn't great at route running last year, despite the love some have for him, many a time corners were able to beat him to the spot where the ball was going. If he stays he needs to run his routes much more crisp. Beasley only had 36 catches on the year.

Switzer has plenty of speed and quickness, he showed that on his return to the house. He didn't get a chance to prove himself and was balling in training camp before the injury. I think that really hurt him. Cowboys weren't looking to trade him by the way.

We brought in very good route runners and to be honest I'm ok if we don't return any receivers from last year not named Noah Brown.


Great job on the post, some good info there

 

[waldoputty]

1: Tavon Austin's fumble problems were on Punts, not on offense. His career fumble rate is better than Zeke's 2016 fumble rate. I don't remember anybody complaining about Zeke fumbling.

2: Kris Richard with no "s" on the end.

3: Switzer didn't prove anything on offense. He didn't show the speed/elusiveness that I had hoped to see. Beasley wins by being a student of the game in regards to route nuances. I don't know if Switzer can do what Beasley has done. Switzer did not appear to be an option at outside WR.

4: Bo Scarbrough was a 7th round pick and didn't really play special teams in College. He'll have difficult time making the 53 if they count Austin as a RB. The coaches seem to love Rod Smith.

5: Where Jerry tried getting value from character or injury issue players, McClay likes to take players here and there that he believes are much better than their combine/ProDay performance. This year the DE Armstrong is that guy; although, both WRs somewhat fall into that category as well. Armstrong's college coach said he ran a 4.5x and almost all scouting reports praised his speed/quickness. Gallup's numbers were decent but he plays even faster than his timed speed. Same for Wilson. It appears that Armstrong gained too much weight prior to the Combine/Pro-Day.

6: The Cowboys are now very focused on good/great route running. Hurns/Gallup/Wilson are all above average route runners. Beasley has made it despite being tiny because he mastered the nuances of route running. TWill's only real skill is being an OK route runner (TWill is good route runner relative to Dez and Butler). We'll see about the TEs but the draft pick and UDFA both said they spent a lot of time over the years studying Jason Witten.

7: Big Fat DTs that can't move are basically extinct. The Zone Running scheme gashes DLines thst can't flow don't the line Laterally. Zone teams love to see a Big Slow DT. Many Man Blocking teams now run some zone. Even man blocking can run away from the Tub Of Lard player such that they just need 1 blocker to get in the way of that player on many run plays. The 340+ DTs like Snacks Harrison and Dontari Poe are freaks that can run faster than some DEnds.

8: Multiple stats and non-Cowboys focused analysis indicate Dak has been much more accurate than most fans believe.

9. When the highest paid player is a malcontent, that team will have problems. That player needs to go regardless of ability. The Patriots move on from those types of players even when they are great players. Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins, Logan Mankins, etc..

10: Jerry's influence on the draft seems to have been near zero the past two years. The 2nd round picks have been Awuzie and Connor Williams.

11: The "Linehan is running Garrett's offense" phrase should be officially buried. Many many things including direct quotes from Stephen Jones indicate Garrett is now out of offense game-planning starting this season. Linehan pushed out Pollack and Dooley as well as Dez. It seems that something happened to cause Witten to retire. The new WR coach has connections to Linehan and seems to be the opposite of previous WR coaches in the Garrett as HC era. It appears that Garrett was not in favor of the Dez cut; although evidence on that is limited.

12: Kris Richard was in the draft War Room often considering they drafted zero DBs.

nice read.
1. wonder who the punt returner will be.
5. if armstrong bulked up too much for the combine but only did 20 reps, what gives? he weighed in ~257lb and that was roughly the target weight we had for gregory.
6. twill is ok route runner but his body catching reduces his catch radius substantially.
10. imagine if dlaw continues to dominate, jaylon balls after full recovery and even gregory comes back and does well, jerry's 2nd round gambles are looking good... dont blame the TEs on him.
11. so garrett does not game plan the offsense and does not call plays for the offense. does garrett get involved in calling the defense play or game planning for the defense? perhaps he game plans for the special teams?

additional
13. x misses dez
14. x is glad parnell is gone
15. x misses free

 

[buybuydandavis]

11: The "Linehan is running Garrett's offense" phrase should be officially buried. Many many things including direct quotes from Stephen Jones indicate Garrett is now out of offense game-planning starting this season. Linehan pushed out Pollack and Dooley as well as Dez. It seems that something happened to cause Witten to retire. The new WR coach has connections to Linehan and seems to be the opposite of previous WR coaches in the Garrett as HC era. It appears that Garrett was not in favor of the Dez cut; although evidence on that is limited.

The Bold is the only way there was any hope for this season. The offense was a clown show last year. Without a change in people, the only hope was that there would be a change in responsibilities.

If last year was Garrett's clown show, I'm thrilled the torch has been passed to Linehan.

 

[jterrell]

Cherry picking stats to fit your agenda is fun...Now go back and look at the giants in ‘16 and the Jets in ‘15.

And again, Poe has been on 3 teams in 3 years...let’s convieniently ignore the fact that 1 of those teams was the team that drafted him and that picked up his 5th year option before letting him walk. He signed a 1 year deal with Atlanta and cashed in on free agency after. He was as never cut, and got paid well by Atlanta on that 1 year deal to boot.

Oh and a 330+ guy went in the top 15 of the draft this year.

Ignoring the fact that I already acknowledged that those 2 are the exceptions and not what we should be going after, what’s your point? That Snacks and Poe aren’t still very good football players? If so you have no clue what you’re talking about

Bro let me be real simple, you are going on ignore if you keep posting nonsense.

Nose Tackles are undervalued across the league right now. PERIOD.
Poe has been on 3 teams in 3 years. PERIOD. He wasn't franchised by either of the first 2 clubs even tho he is elite by NT standards.
The Giants D with Snacks as the NT did just finish 27th in rushing defense PERIOD.
That's not cherry picking stats, that's all the stats there is.
You had no point beyond those guys.

Vea is seen as the rare 3 down DT in a NT body. Time will tell if he actually is but that's why he was drafted 12th.

DAL has been a solid run stuffing team for years. With very poorly rated 1T play.
You are basing your take on folklore, not reality.

As XW tried to explain before you got your feelings hurt, NFL teams have found a way to attack pure Nose Tackles and even the elite ones are struggling to gain the value other positions do. 3T like Fletcher Cox are making 22M a year elite 1T/Nose tackles are making HALF that and shorter term.
Dallas isn't alone in their judgment of 1T.

 

[tm1119]

Bro let me be real simple, you are going on ignore if you keep posting nonsense.

Nose Tackles are undervalued across the league right now. PERIOD.
Poe has been on 3 teams in 3 years. PERIOD. He wasn't franchised by either of the first 2 clubs even tho he is elite by NT standards.
The Giants D with Snacks as the NT did just finish 27th in rushing defense PERIOD.
That's not cherry picking stats, that's all the stats there is.
You had no point beyond those guys.

Vea is seen as the rare 3 down DT in a NT body. Time will tell if he actually is but that's why he was drafted 12th.

DAL has been a solid run stuffing team for years. With very poorly rated 1T play.
You are basing your take on folklore, not reality.

As XW tried to explain before you got your feelings hurt, NFL teams have found a way to attack pure Nose Tackles and even the elite ones are struggling to gain the value other positions do. 3T like Fletcher Cox are making 22M a year elite 1T/Nose tackles are making HALF that and shorter term.
Dallas isn't alone in their judgment of 1T.

What world do you live in? Or are you capable of reading?

I made a completely rational point about how huge 1 techs are going extinct and we need to find talent in between Snacks and Brian Price. You then make a completely irrelevant point to my post saying that Snacks and Poe aren’t that good. I make a counter argument proving that you are wrong. You threaten to put me on ignore.

That is literally exactly what just happened. So please put me on ignore, because you sir are a moron

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Dez wasn't a malcontent per se, or at least not intentionally. Watching all or nothing you just find out he is really not a bright guy. He obviously has not worked on his craft and just can't get by on athletic ability alone.

 

[conner01]

Good route running in college means nothing, ok it means something but saying a guy is good route runner does not translate right away in the NFL the guys you line up in front of during games are not going to let you run wide open for 5 yards. NFL DBs are much more handsy than NCAA DBs. WR is boom or bust position just because you can do one thing does not mean you can do another. Brown, Beckham, Jones, and many other of the top receivers were not considered excellent route runners coming out.

It is a different world but guys who run good routes in college means they take route running serious which is the first step in running good routes in the big leagues

 

[conner01]

Dez wasn't a malcontent per se, or at least not intentionally. Watching all or nothing you just find out he is really not a bright guy. He obviously has not worked on his craft and just can't get by on athletic ability alone.

I think dez fell into the trap of thinking he could always beat his guy with just his raw strength and power. I never seen him as a malcontent. More a player who never grew his game
Rarely did his antics bother me and most were intended to get his team going

 

[conner01]

I thought Switzer could do what Beasley did if given the opportunity and was a better return guy
That said you didn’t need two guys just alike
I just think they got rid of the wrong one who was millions cheaper and still under his rookie contract
But it’s don’t know so hopefully ward can become what he was thought to be when he came out