Cowboys vs Commanders '08 breakdown

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Chocolate Lab;2121503 said:
:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

I'm sorry, was there more after this?


:lmao:

Honestly, after I read that sentence, I literally stopped and started scrolling down for reactions. At that point, I knew what kind of a writer we were dealing with here.

Saying Pacman will be a short term liability was bad enough.

This is nothing more than wishful thinking by a Skins fan who knew how to skew reality (QB's vs. CB's and WR's vs. Safeties).
 

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I'm convinced! We're going to suck and the Skins are going to eat us for lunch this upcoming season. What was I thinking giving the Cowboys a chance against the mighty Washington Commanders?!!
:sarcasm:
 

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:laugh2: I love how he ranks wrs vs safeties:confused: in the 1st place. but than he gives his wrs(who didn't catch a td till week 8) the edge against our safeties and rightfully so. but than he gives his safeties the advantage against our wrs when we have the 2nd best wr in the league who burnt those same safeties for 4 tds in 1 game.
 

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BehindEnemyLinez;2121650 said:
I'm convinced! We're going to suck and the Skins are going to eat us for lunch this upcoming season. What was I thinking giving the Cowboys a chance against the mighty Washington Commanders?!!
:sarcasm:

you are right on the money with your quote!! no sarcasm here:)
 

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redskins1;2121858 said:
you are right on the money with your quote!! no sarcasm here:)
Just proof that hope springs eternal in the offseason! You Skins' fans are a piece of work! I can't knock you for having faith (as blind as it may be)!!:suxskins:
 

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Rampage;2121700 said:
:laugh2: I love how he ranks wrs vs safeties:confused: in the 1st place. but than he gives his wrs (who didn't catch a td till week 8) the edge against our safeties and rightfully so. but than he gives his safeties the advantage against our wrs when we have the 2nd best wr in the league who burnt those same safeties for 4 tds in 1 game.

owens is a beast. but if you're looking for an actual honest assessment, you can't just say 'TO scored 4 TD's on those same safeties, so they suck' and be done. doughty, a 2nd year 6th round pick, was making his first start in place of the skins best defensive player. and landry was a rookie. doughty struggled so bad he got benched after the third quarter. but he did play well soon after that game.

and dont jump on the campbell comments too bad- he did throw for 350, 2 TD's, and completed over 60% of his passes and were it not for one ill advised pass at the end, nearly won that game for the skins. if campbell runs rather than passes on that play, the skins may have won. i, for one, thought the skins would get killed that day. ;)
 

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riggo;2122087 said:
owens is a beast. but if you're looking for an actual honest assessment, you can't just say 'TO scored 4 TD's on those same safeties, so they suck' and be done. doughty, a 2nd year 6th round pick, was making his first start in place of the skins best defensive player. and landry was a rookie. doughty struggled so bad he got benched after the third quarter. but he did play well soon after that game.

and dont jump on the campbell comments too bad- he did throw for 350, 2 TD's, and completed over 60% of his passes and were it not for one ill advised pass at the end, nearly won that game for the skins. if campbell runs rather than passes on that play, the skins may have won. i, for one, thought the skins would get killed that day. ;)
yeah but like i said it's funny how he even matches up the safeties vs the wrs in the 1st place. the wrs are always gonna have an advantage over safeties.
 

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riggo;2122087 said:
owens is a beast. but if you're looking for an actual honest assessment, you can't just say 'TO scored 4 TD's on those same safeties, so they suck' and be done. doughty, a 2nd year 6th round pick, was making his first start in place of the skins best defensive player. and landry was a rookie. doughty struggled so bad he got benched after the third quarter. but he did play well soon after that game.

and dont jump on the campbell comments too bad- he did throw for 350, 2 TD's, and completed over 60% of his passes and were it not for one ill advised pass at the end, nearly won that game for the skins. if campbell runs rather than passes on that play, the skins may have won. i, for one, thought the skins would get killed that day. ;)

It took Campbell durn near 60 passes to reach those numbers.

Wade said the Commander strategy caught him completely by surprise that game. I think Campbell's QB rating was barely 80.

Not a great game by any means.
 

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I like how the writer tried to go about comparing the teams. Most folks compare offenses to offenses and defenses to defenses.

He used matchups......the only problem is he didn't realize that we win nearly every single one.

Cowboy Passing game vs Commander Passing defense: The Commander secondary isn't too bad. Not having Taylor will really hurt. Springs is a good player, but he's getting pretty old and has a history of getting banged up. Smoot is solid at best....Rogers is coming off a pretty serious injury. Our WRs with TO overmatches the Skins terribly here. Witten even makes this an even bigger mismatch. On top of that, the Commander DL is not a good pass rushing line. They cannot pressure the passer without blitzing....This leads to one-on-one coverage which we should exploit easily. Gregg Williams was a master at bringing pressure from unexpected places. He's no longer there.
Huge advantage: Cowboys.

Cowboys running offense vs Commander rush defense: Again, I think Gregg Williams and his scheme will be missed here. I always felt the Skins sold out to stop the run. Their DTs aren't bad. Griffin is good but declining. Montgomery and Gohlston are solid but not spectacular. Whoever lines up against Davis will get beat. Gurode and Kosier should hold an advantage over the other DT. Both Phillips and Carter are weak run-stoppers. This group gets help from a good set of LBs. Washington is one of the best defenders on the Skins. I think this group will have a tough time trying to stop us with only seven in the box.....I think they'll have to have seven in the box to try to stop TO and Witten. The only saving grace the Skins will have is that Barber is not a guy that has a lot of speed. Felix Jones does....but time will tell how good he'll be.

Advantage: Cowboys

Cowboys Pass Defense vs Commanders Pass Offense: So much depends on how good Campbell is. He passed for over 300 yards against us, but it took him 50+ throws to do it. Most of the damage was done with dink and dunk passes, hence the pedestrian passer rating. The Skin WRs outside of Moss don't possess great deep speed. The others will probably struggle to gain seperation. Newman and Henry are a pretty good duo....when they're on the field healthy. That didn't happen last year. When Newman returned from his plantar fascia injury, Henry went out with a high ankle sprain. Right around the time he returned, Newman began struggling with a knee (result of his PF injury). Adam Jones (if eligible) will be huge for this defense. He's a huge upgrade (even with all the rust) over Reeves. Both Jenkins and Scandrick are upgrades over Nate Jones. Cooley is the most dangerous weapon the Skins have. He tends to give us fits. I feel this is one area that slants in the Skins' favor....but he can be gameplanned.
Now....even a good secondary gets beat if the QB has time to throw. The Commanders OL is very good if healthy. And that's the key....Jansen returning to full health will be huge. But even if he does, Ellis will give him fits. Spencer is coming around too. Year two in Phillips' scheme will only result in more pressure. Our pass rush coupled with a good secondary vs average at best WRs?

Advantage: Cowboys

Cowboy Rush defense vs Commander rush offense: During the PS I complained often that our defense appeared to be weak against the run. While we weren't weak, we weren't as good as I had hoped. It seemed that they just weren't dominating. I feel that we're a bit light up the middle for a 34. The Commander OL is a pretty good group. I feel they block for Portis well. They've been around each other for a while. Betts is a good runner in his own right. He and Portis are a heckuva tandem.

Advantage: Commanders

Special teams: McBriar is one of the best in the game. His problem....a terrible coverage unit. People want to blame Romo or Crayton for our playoff loss. But our punt coverage unit allowed the Giants to begin drives deep in our territory. ARE isn't the great returner he was in Pitt....but he can be dangerous. The Skins have a rookie punter.....probably be ok with him. Jones is HUGe for us.....if he keeps his nose clean.
Suisham is pretty shaky. Well, he was for us. He was solid for the Skins. Folk was a hero for us. He has a big leg....

Advantage: Push
 

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redskins1;2121579 said:
that was a pretty intresting article..i think our head to head matchup will come down to who can run the ball the best,both offenses will be able to throw the ball fairly easy..but who will run the football the best? that will be the key...GO SKINS!!!


I thought you might be an *******
 

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riggo;2122087 said:
owens is a beast. but if you're looking for an actual honest assessment, you can't just say 'TO scored 4 TD's on those same safeties, so they suck' and be done. doughty, a 2nd year 6th round pick, was making his first start in place of the skins best defensive player. and landry was a rookie. doughty struggled so bad he got benched after the third quarter. but he did play well soon after that game.

and dont jump on the campbell comments too bad- he did throw for 350, 2 TD's, and completed over 60% of his passes and were it not for one ill advised pass at the end, nearly won that game for the skins. if campbell runs rather than passes on that play, the skins may have won. i, for one, thought the skins would get killed that day. ;)

It took Campbell durn near 60 passes to reach those numbers.

Wade said the Commander strategy caught him completely by surprise that game. I think Campbell's QB rating was barely 80.

Not a great game by any means.


Hey Riggo. Do yourself a favor and go back to ES. This is no place for a redsucks fan. They keep it nice and safe over there. You won't have to endure non-redsucks fans tell you the truth about you team and its players.

If you stay here you will continue to get bombarded by facts about your team which will remove all hope you may have for 2008.
 

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Commanders' fans,


Jacques Reeves is gone, and you can't pick on him anymore. Bring on that 3 WR set.

Ware, Spencer, and Ellis
Canty, Ratliff, Hatcher

Newman, A. Jones, Jenkins, and Henry
 

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sonnyboy;2122174 said:
It took Campbell durn near 60 passes to reach those numbers.

Wade said the Commander strategy caught him completely by surprise that game. I think Campbell's QB rating was barely 80.

Not a great game by any means.


Hey Riggo. Do yourself a favor and go back to ES. This is no place for a redsucks fan. They keep it nice and safe over there. You won't have to endure non-redsucks fans tell you the truth about you team and its players.

If you stay here you will continue to get bombarded by facts about your team which will remove all hope you may have for 2008.

To be precise...he was 33-54 (yes...54 passes) for 348 yards. He passed for 2 TDs and had one INT. His QB rating was 84.5....not bad....but not great. He was 22 of 40....yes, 40 passes in the second half! Most of his passes were short dump offs, yet he barely completed 50% of those in the second half.

Romo was 22 of 32 for 293 yards. He passed for 4 TDs and 1 INT. His QB rating was 112.4. That's a good game.

Don't mistake me. Campbell surprised me that game. But it was clear that our main objective was to not let Portis beat us. We practically DARED JC to beat us with short passes.

He nearly did.

We did the same thing against Rogers the next week. After Favre left the game, we went into "prevent" mode.

Campbell did well....but it wasn't a great performance.
 

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Bizwah;2122251 said:
To be precise...he was 33-54 (yes...54 passes) for 348 yards. He passed for 2 TDs and had one INT. His QB rating was 84.5....not bad....but not great. He was 22 of 40....yes, 40 passes in the second half! Most of his passes were short dump offs, yet he barely completed 50% of those in the second half.

Romo was 22 of 32 for 293 yards. He passed for 4 TDs and 1 INT. His QB rating was 112.4. That's a good game.

Don't mistake me. Campbell surprised me that game. But it was clear that our main objective was to not let Portis beat us. We practically DARED JC to beat us with short passes.

He nearly did.

We did the same thing against Rogers the next week. After Favre left the game, we went into "prevent" mode.

Campbell did well....but it wasn't a great performance.

that's what pissed me off about last year, when it came to young QBs, we played a bland zone and hoped that they would throw into coverage, which they didn't, they just threw

I hope we don't go through that crap again
 

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Bob Sacamano;2122259 said:
that's what pissed me off about last year, when it came to young QBs, we played a bland zone and hoped that they would throw into coverage, which they didn't, they just threw

I hope we don't go through that crap again

You're right.

We went right after guys like Favre, McNabb, Manning, and even Brady (with disastrous results).

But we went soft on guys like Edwards, Rogers, and Campbell. WP admitted to being caught off-guard by the Commanders' approach.

With Jones and Newman, we should be able to play tight coverage on WRs. That should end the dink and dunk junk....
 

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Bizwah;2122267 said:
You're right.

We went right after guys like Favre, McNabb, Manning, and even Brady (with disastrous results).

But we went soft on guys like Edwards, Rogers, and Campbell. WP admitted to being caught off-guard by the Commanders' approach.

With Jones and Newman, we should be able to play tight coverage on WRs. That should end the dink and dunk junk....

I agree, last year was kind of wacky since it was the 1st year in Wade's scheme, I expect alot of tight man (his preferred coverage, and why Mike Jenkins was rated higher on our board than on probably most, #2), and alot of Ware, Ellis and Spencer packages

we have the personnel and the year of experience in the scheme, we should be much more aggressive against all QBs
 

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riggo;2122087 said:
owens is a beast. but if you're looking for an actual honest assessment, you can't just say 'TO scored 4 TD's on those same safeties, so they suck' and be done. doughty, a 2nd year 6th round pick, was making his first start in place of the skins best defensive player. and landry was a rookie. doughty struggled so bad he got benched after the third quarter. but he did play well soon after that game.

and dont jump on the campbell comments too bad- he did throw for 350, 2 TD's, and completed over 60% of his passes and were it not for one ill advised pass at the end, nearly won that game for the skins. if campbell runs rather than passes on that play, the skins may have won. i, for one, thought the skins would get killed that day. ;)
Let's take a closer look at how Campbell had success distributing those passes that game...

JCampbell.jpg


Wow, 2/3 of Campbell's passes were actually short passes. I doubt that the Commander offense will be able to duplicate that completion percentage within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage against our improved secondary and with Zach Thomas dropping back in coverage.

McCardell and Moss were the Commanders' main intermediate and deep receiving threats. McCardell's gone. Can Malcolm Kelly or Devin Thomas fill his shoes in their rookie season IF Zorn tries the same strategy? Hmmm...

Prediction: Washington will not run the same dink-and-dunk offense this season against Dallas. If so, Campbell will have to be more effective throwing the ball beyond 10 yards of the LOS. Can he? I doubt it, but we'll see...
 

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DallasEast;2122365 said:
Let's take a closer look at how Campbell had success distributing those passes that game...

JCampbell.jpg


Wow, 2/3 of Campbell's passes were actually short passes. I doubt that the Commander offense will be able to duplicate that completion percentage within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage against our improved secondary and with Zach Thomas dropping back in coverage.

McCardell and Moss were the Commanders' main intermediate and deep receiving threats. McCardell's gone. Can Malcolm Kelly or Devin Thomas fill his shoes in their rookie season IF Zorn tries the same strategy? Hmmm...

Prediction: Washington will not run the same dink-and-dunk offense this season against Dallas. If so, Campbell will have to be more effective throwing the ball beyond 10 yards of the LOS. Can he? I doubt it, but we'll see...
Interesting.

Oh, and Betts, not Bettis.
 
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