Cowboys vs Lions Referee Assignment

[MarcusRock]

Y'all do remember the long streak a few years back (7 games or 11 games ... can't remember) with no offensive holding calls on the opposing OL's?????

I do remember. I believe it was 8 games without an opposing OL hold during passing plays only . The issue with that is none qualified how rare an occurrence that is in the NFL. So I went digging and lo, and behold the Detroit Lions had a streak of 7 games like that the very same season . What did Detroit do to deserve that? Lol.

 

[RonnieT24]

Just beat 'em Cowboys! Myself, I like the head coach for the Lions and the team's directions. Not for one second do I want the Cowboys to do anything less than work and commit. First to produce...first to do it again...DO IT! NO EXCUSES...and Parsons with three sacks!

You simply cannot beat the refs man. It's as simple as that. The refs have the power to determine who wins whenever they wish. And players and we as fans can do absolutely nothing about it. As long as the NFL continue to rake in 10 figure revenue every year there is zero incentive for them to change a thing.

 

[Dallasfann]

Meaningless week 17 game at home. I actually expect a snooze fest win. The game is basically a pre season game for both teams.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I need to know if I should assume we are going to be screwed by the gambling syndicates and if this refs childhood was damaged because he was a Washington fan.

I’d appreciate it if someone would tell me what to think so I know the appropriate level of outrage and blame I can place on officiating after every flag.

Thanks

Don’t worry, RonaldT24 is preparing a 8,000 word screed of completely unsubstantiated nonsense for you.

 

[DripTooHard]

Meaningless week 17 game at home. I actually expect a snooze fest win. The game is basically a pre season game for both teams.

What? The Lions still have a shot at the 1 seed, and I believe even the 2 seed is fair game for them. There is something for both teams to play for.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

Yeah! Now we know it's a big game when one of these threads appears. Lol.

And guaranteed that you pop up with your holier than thou attitudes on one of these threads. It is as predictable as Micah Parsons being held repeatedly.

 

[Creeper]

Nick Harris: I'm just as speechless as you are, Michael, when it comes to this issue. Micah Parsons' athleticism has forced opposing linemen to wrap him on a consistent basis, and he can't get a call. There are things that the Cowboys can do following a game; they can send plays to the league to get further explanation, but obviously there isn't any recanting that the league can do from a penalty standpoint.

Mickey: To tell you the truth not sure how to answer your complaint. Teams can send plays into the league the day after games for review and clarification of a call or no call so teams can use for teaching points one way or another. At times the NFL will respond by saying, yep, bad call or missed call if that is truly how they judged. But what good does that do? Can't take 'em back. But officials do get judged after each performance. And one would hope these officials don't have rabbit ears, allowing criticism to affect their judgments going forward. Can't imagine they don't have thicker skin than to retaliate against a layer complaining about missed calls. Just do your job. But they sure were quick to flag Micah for a late hit on Tua, Micah saying afterward head ref Shawm Hochuli told him "he should have pulled off."

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/mailbag-why-no-calls-for-holding-parsons

If officials were truly judged, the way I was at work before I retired, half of them would be looking for work. The NFL is failing the fans and the players by covering up the poor officiating. They can fix it in 1 week if they really had a strong desire to do so. I am certain the NFL just sluffs the complaining off as normal fan reaction to their teams losing that week. But it is not that. I watch games with teams I have no interest in and I see the same bad officiating. Whether it is truly worse than the past or just the change in camera coverage and resolution is irrelevant. The refs have been exposed and they need to clean it up.

As for Hochuli telling Micah he should have pulled up, that's nonsense. The rule allows players 2 steps, or 1 step and then the time before he puts his second step down after the pass is thrown. If that is the rule and if Micah hit Tua within that timeframe then he is within the rules and no flag should be thrown. These are the kind of judgement calls that make fans scratch their heads and question the officiating. Hochuli should not have the authority to overrule the rulebook and call something he thinks should be a penalty. And How would Hochuli even judge whether Micah could hold up in that situation?

The NFL would do itself a favor if after every game they put all the controversial calls up on its website with an explanation of why the call was right or wrong. Then the fans would know the league is serious about getting the calls right. And it should be honest, the the usual BS answers they give when they do decide to explain a call.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

I do remember. I believe it was 8 games without an opposing OL hold during passing plays only . The issue with that is none qualified how rare an occurrence that is in the NFL. So I went digging and lo, and behold the Detroit Lions had a streak of 7 games like that the very same season . What did Detroit do to deserve that? Lol.

So, I see in your world 2 wrongs = a right. Nice standard there Vern !

 

[DripTooHard]

If officials were truly judged, the way I was at work before I retired, half of them would be looking for work. The NFL is failing the fans and the players by covering up the poor officiating. They can fix it in 1 week if they really had a strong desire to do so. I am certain the NFL just sluffs the complaining off as normal fan reaction to their teams losing that week. But it is not that. I watch games with teams I have no interest in and I see the same bad officiating. Whether it is truly worse than the past or just the change in camera coverage and resolution is irrelevant. The refs have been exposed and they need to clean it up.

As for Hochuli telling Micah he should have pulled up, that's nonsense. The rule allows players 2 steps, or 1 step and then the time before he puts his second step down after the pass is thrown. If that is the rule and if Micah hit Tua within that timeframe then he is within the rules and no flag should be thrown. These are the kind of judgement calls that make fans scratch their heads and question the officiating. Hochuli should not have the authority to overrule the rulebook and call something he thinks should be a penalty. And How would Hochuli even judge whether Micah could hold up in that situation?

The NFL would do itself a favor if after every game they put all the controversial calls up on its website with an explanation of why the call was right or wrong. Then the fans would know the league is serious about getting the calls right. And it should be honest, the the usual BS answers they give when they do decide to explain a call.

1) The officials don’t actually work for the league

2) They used to do an autopsy segment on calls with Dean Blandino on the NFL Network but they stopped after the Dez ruling because Blandino looked like an idiot every time he was on that segment

 

[CCBoy]

You simply cannot beat the refs man. It's as simple as that. The refs have the power to determine who wins whenever they wish. And players and we as fans can do absolutely nothing about it. As long as the NFL continue to rake in 10 figure revenue every year there is zero incentive for them to change a thing.

Not here, it's beep, beep, my arse...I want some meat!

 

[Dallasfann]

What? The Lions still have a shot at the 1 seed, and I believe even the 2 seed is fair game for them. There is something for both teams to play for.

I meant meaningless week 17 game for us at home. I think we blow them out. For some very odd reason we won't have any or should i say very many penalties either.

 

[RonnieT24]

I do remember. I believe it was 8 games without an opposing OL hold during passing plays only . The issue with that is none qualified how rare an occurrence that is in the NFL. So I went digging and lo, and behold the Detroit Lions had a streak of 7 games like that the very same season . What did Detroit do to deserve that? Lol.

Have less talented pass rushers? When you show me all the teams with defensive ends who run 4.3 but are miraculously being blocked without being held game after game I will back down and agree with you. Until it's horse crap and every person with a functioning brain should be able to see it. And it wasn't 8 games.. it was 9. And having one team ALMOST getting screwed as badly changes nothing.

 

[MarcusRock]

So, I see in your world 2 wrongs = a right. Nice standard there Vern !

Nice diversion. It's the same path all of you take when I counter the Cowboys victim stance with that streak. You know why I posted it. It makes your "refs out to get the Cowboys" whine of none effect because it's not even a rare occurrence. But anyways who's to say that any of those occurrences was wrong? Did you analyze each and every game of each team? None of y'all ever do and just run with whatever you can grasp onto to take focus off not supporting a powerhouse team. So "dark forces" becomes the diversionary norm. Y'all are free to do it, of course. I just like pointing it out.

 

[MarcusRock]

Have less talented pass rushers? When you show me all the teams with defensive ends who run 4.3 but are miraculously being blocked without being held game after game I will back down and agree with you. Until it's horse crap and every person with a functioning brain should be able to see it. And it wasn't 8 games.. it was 9. And having one team ALMOST getting screwed as badly changes nothing.

Whatever the Cowboys had, Detroit had 1 less. Same season. Not rare or special in the Cowboys' case. That's the point.

 

[Jake]

I do remember. I believe it was 8 games without an opposing OL hold during passing plays only . The issue with that is none qualified how rare an occurrence that is in the NFL. So I went digging and lo, and behold the Detroit Lions had a streak of 7 games like that the very same season . What did Detroit do to deserve that? Lol.

That's not how it works. You're supposed to look at Cowboys games in a vacuum. To truly assess "the refs" one would ideally only watch Cowboys games. That way you can assume that anything negative only happens to the Cowboys. You don't even have to lie.

 

[MarcusRock]

As for Hochuli telling Micah he should have pulled up, that's nonsense. The rule allows players 2 steps, or 1 step and then the time before he puts his second step down after the pass is thrown. If that is the rule and if Micah hit Tua within that timeframe then he is within the rules and no flag should be thrown. These are the kind of judgement calls that make fans scratch their heads and question the officiating. Hochuli should not have the authority to overrule the rulebook and call something he thinks should be a penalty. And How would Hochuli even judge whether Micah could hold up in that situation?

It's not nonsense at all. Hochuli was literally quoting the rulebook. And he IS the judge of whether Micah could have held up or not. Highlights in red.

RULE 12 PLAYER CONDUCT​

SECTION 2 PERSONAL FOULS​

ARTICLE 11. ROUGHING THE PASSER.​

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(a) Roughing will be called if, in the game official’s judgment, a pass rusher clearly should have known that the ball had already​

left the passer’s hand before contact was made; pass rushers are responsible for being aware of the position of the ball in​

passing situations; the game official will use the release of the ball from the passer’s hand as his guideline that the passer is​

now fully protected; once a pass has been released by a passer, a rushing defender may make direct contact with the passer​

only up through the rusher’s first step after such release (prior to second step hitting the ground); thereafter the rusher must​

be making an attempt to avoid contact and must not continue to “drive through” or otherwise forcibly contact the passer;​

incidental or inadvertent contact by a player who is easing up or being blocked into the passer will not be considered​

significant.​

 

[big dog cowboy]

Preemptive ref complaining, strong move.

Thank you!

 

[Creeper]

It's not nonsense at all. Hochuli was literally quoting the rulebook. And he IS the judge of whether Micah could have held up or not. Highlights in red.

RULE 12 PLAYER CONDUCT​

SECTION 2 PERSONAL FOULS​

ARTICLE 11. ROUGHING THE PASSER.​

.​

.​

(a) Roughing will be called if, in the game official’s judgment, a pass rusher clearly should have known that the ball had already​

left the passer’s hand before contact was made; pass rushers are responsible for being aware of the position of the ball in​

passing situations; the game official will use the release of the ball from the passer’s hand as his guideline that the passer is​

now fully protected; once a pass has been released by a passer, a rushing defender may make direct contact with the passer​

only up through the rusher’s first step after such release (prior to second step hitting the ground); thereafter the rusher must​

be making an attempt to avoid contact and must not continue to “drive through” or otherwise forcibly contact the passer;​

incidental or inadvertent contact by a player who is easing up or being blocked into the passer will not be considered​

significant.​

I highlighted the relevant phrase in bold-black-underline. Notice the first word after that phrase that you highlighted, "thereafter" which means after the 2nd step has been planted the rusher must avoid making contact. But in Micah's case, he had not planted his second step so it appears by rule Micah driving through the QB is a legal hit as long as there was not contact with the head or neck area.

If we accept that the rule means once the ball leaves the QBs hand, then the stat for QB hits would be a stat for roughing the passer penalties as well. The fact is there are lots of QB hits within one step and if the one step part of the rule is not a determinant then take it out of the rule book.

 

[jwitten82]

Yeah! Now we know it's a big game when one of these threads appears. Lol.

Lol just wait until the playoffs start