cowboys vs. my Commanders (last game of the season)

[adamknite]

Maybe he is the same height as daniel snyder and didnt have anything to prop him up to the keyboard. So he was just typing without seeing the keys...

Why do Commanders fans come here and talk trash? I dont get it. You have virtually no draft and a coaching staff that has butted heads for two years.

and you are here declaring doom on us. I will never understand.

classic case of hating another team, more than loving your own.

If the skins went 2-14 they wouldn't mind as long as those two wins were against the Boys.

 

[firehawk350]

The Commanders took one of the worst defenses in the history of the NFL and added London Fletcher-Baker and Fred Smoot. Both good players, but unless they're rushing the passer, I think you've still got problems. I think you guys have at least one draft pick, so if you take a defensive player, we'll revisit this topic.

The offense lost a decent player (well, a consistent player, anyway), in Dockery. The offensive improvement is supposed to come from another year of Al Saunders offense, and the 2-5, 76.5 rating Jason Campbell. That may actually work, but my gut tells me that if Brandon Lloyd is your #2 reciever, your offense might not be that good.

Dockery was consistent??? He only got good in his contract year. Otherwise he was very inconsistent. He was the worst linemen ON our line at a position that is easy to replace (guard). We won't lose too much without him. As far as Campbell, are you willing to go ahead and call Matt Leinart a bust because in his 11 game starting experience, he has a 74 QB rating??? Let's give the kid more then half a season before we start tearing him down, okay? Other then #2 receiver and LG (maybe), I say the Skins offense can be VERY potent. Hell, we were the #13 offense without our two greatest weapons, Portis and Moss (for half the season at least), and a new QB. I don't see it getting worse personally...
As for defense, yes, this is the same defense that was horrid last year, but it's also damn near the same defense that was #9 the year before. As to what happened, injuries (Griffin, Springs, Washington), poor personnel decisions (Holdman, Arch, Wright, Marshall in the middle), bad scheming (10 yard cushions anybody?) and little pressure to the QB. As for injuries, we can only wait and see. I'd like to think we fixed the personnel decisions... Fired LB coach Dale Lindsay who kept Holdman in for unknown reasons. Pushed Marshall out of the middle and put in Fletcher. Traded Arch and released Holdman and Wright. Picked up Smoot and Macklin (not bad for a dimeback). Gregg Williams has said he's going to revamp his schemes so *hopefully* we'll see those annoying 10 yard cushions go away and the easy to recognize blitzes. But again, I'll believe it when I see it.
As for the pass rush, I've debated this with some of you, but Andre Carter was coming on towards the last stretch (last 5 games had something like 33 tackles and 4 sacks) and the pick-up of Anderson or Adams could make a solid set of ends. So, you can see, there's cause for some level of optimism, as long as it's restrained and realistic. I don't see us being any worse then 5-11 but it's not unreasonable to think of a winning season.
As for the cellar, I don't see how no one is predicting the Giants being in the cellar. There's no Tiki (Tiki WAS the Giants) and Brandon Jacobs isn't what I'd call a feature back (good for 2-3 yards but not much else). Eli is missing half his line (just so happens to be his blind side) and Shockey and Burress are about ready to rip this team apart. They have no secondary to speak of and their LB corps sucks as well. I'm not doing predictions anymore but I will be utterly amazed if they end up better then 6-10.

 

[firehawk350]

and you are here declaring doom on us. I will never understand.

And with all your questions (Romo, scheme changes, spears, canty, ellis, flo, davis, glenn, TO, WP, Henry, James, Carp, FS, Garrett) your predicting utter domination. I believe you could be a good team, but you could get bogged down with those pesky scheme changes and struggle out of the gate. Wade Phillips said his scheme is easy to learn, it only takes a year. But I read that as this season might be filled with growing pains. Just my view on it.
Before you flame (because you are about to), I don't predict a bad season. I don't predict anything anymore, but I can see that you could be SB contenders, but I can also see a lot of struggling ahead. Consistency isn't the order of the day for the Boys and that might cost you a bit.

 

[theebs]

And with all your questions (Romo, scheme changes, spears, canty, ellis, flo, davis, glenn, TO, WP, Henry, James, Carp, FS, Garrett) your predicting utter domination. I believe you could be a good team, but you could get bogged down with those pesky scheme changes and struggle out of the gate. Wade Phillips said his scheme is easy to learn, it only takes a year. But I read that as this season might be filled with growing pains. Just my view on it.
Before you flame (because you are about to), I don't predict a bad season. I don't predict anything anymore, but I can see that you could be SB contenders, but I can also see a lot of struggling ahead. Consistency isn't the order of the day for the Boys and that might cost you a bit.

so firehawk is a Commanders fan. Fair enough. Its 2007, april. Everybody is a contender right now. I dont see how anyone predicts doom or gloom for any team at this point. Oh and you need to learn how to read. I didnt predict anything for Dallas or anyone else. Ever. We havent even had the draft yet, and I am on record as saying people who start declaring records are idiots.

I thought you were a boys fan, just like that chick that split when parcells was fired after talking here for 3 years she declared herself a giants fan and started yelling at everyone and left.

 

[firehawk350]

so firehawk is a Commanders fan. Fair enough. Its 2007, april. Everybody is a contender right now. I dont see how anyone predicts doom or gloom for any team at this point. Oh and you need to learn how to read. I didnt predict anything for Dallas or anyone else. Ever. We havent even had the draft yet, and I am on record as saying people who start declaring records are idiots.

I thought you were a boys fan, just like that chick that split when parcells was fired after talking here for 3 years she declared herself a giants fan and started yelling at everyone and left.

I didn't mean that last comment to be directed to you specifically, just my anti-flame shield against anybody who thought I was just bashing the cowboys.
But no, I'm not a boys fan at all.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

I thought you were a boys fan, just like that chick that split when parcells was fired after talking here for 3 years she declared herself a giants fan and started yelling at everyone and left.

Who was the chick ? I missed that episode.

ES suddenly got a Fauria fan when he was signed, to the point of looking for authentic jerseys and all. Made me laugh, but also made me realize its not just the Cowboys that have bandwagoners, or player followers.

 

[Hostile]

Who was the chick ? I missed that episode.

ES suddenly got a Fauria fan when he was signed, to the point of looking for authentic jerseys and all. Made me laugh, but also made me realize its not just the Cowboys that have bandwagoners, or player followers.

Kittymama.

She was cool right up until Parcells left then she got rude for no reason.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Who was the chick ? I missed that episode.

ES suddenly got a Fauria fan when he was signed, to the point of looking for authentic jerseys and all. Made me laugh, but also made me realize its not just the Cowboys that have bandwagoners, or player followers.

That would be Kittymama and I have no idea if she's a fan of an actual team. She's a Parcells fan...to the point it got her banned here...and she took it on the road to DMN's blog. Straight feline there...

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Wow. I knew she was a supporter, but never pictured her as a bandwagoner.

Thanks Sir and Miss.

Guess you never know. Makes me wonder how many Gibbs fans have joined boards that are secretly just Nascar fans.

Now off to the search feature...

 

[WoodysGirl]

Wow. I knew she was a supporter, but never pictured her as a bandwagoner.

Thanks Sir and Miss.

Guess you never know. Makes me wonder how many Gibbs fans have joined boards that are secretly just Nascar fans.

Now off to the search feature...

What's funny is I think she's only known female to be banned on this board. It was a momentus (sp?) occasion. We truly have an equal opportunity staff here. :

Oh and you won't find the threads that got her banned. I believe they were deleted.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

What's funny is I think she's only known female to be banned on this board. It was a momentus (sp?) occasion. We truly have an equal opportunity staff here. :

Oh and you won't find the threads that got her banned. I believe they were deleted.

I found a funny one though.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81041

No need to delete threads, just lock 'em up. That way we can all look back and reflect for a moment or just enjoy the humor.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I found a funny one though.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81041

No need to delete threads, just lock 'em up. That way we can all look back and reflect for a moment or just enjoy the humor.

Ha! I think that was the evil in the staff coming out...and letting the members take their shots. Wasn't like she could respond.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

my gut says your team lose the discipline parcells brought to the team...

Man, what planet were you on, mister?

 

[Aikbach]

Man, what planet were you on, mister?

He's a Commander, something Imus should've said instead of what he chose to say on the air, the insult is multi-layered.

 

[jazzcat22]

Seeing that you guys will be officially eliminated by then, I think we roll right over yall. Just look at the 2 rosters and tell me which one you would pick if you can be unbiased for 10 seconds.

If not for a fluke FG play, we would have sweep you guys last year.

Get used to the celler, you are going to be there a while:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

And a 15 yard face mask penalty that put them in FG range, when it should have been a 5 yarder, keeping them out of it.

 

[silverbear]

Dockery was consistent??? He only got good in his contract year. Otherwise he was very inconsistent. He was the worst linemen ON our line at a position that is easy to replace (guard). We won't lose too much without him.

Chuckle... once again, in true Skins fan fashion, when a player is still on your team, he's great, when he leaves, he's suddenly a dog...

How many threads have we seen in the last coupla years from Skins fans, woofing about how their offensive line is the best in the league??

But I'm sure you're gonna just LOVE watching Todd Freakin' Wade, all 6-8 of him, trying to play guard for you...

As far as Campbell, are you willing to go ahead and call Matt Leinart a bust because in his 11 game starting experience, he has a 74 QB rating???

I see-- your brother Skins fans can declare him the QB of the future based on the way he played last year, but we're not allowed to point out that he really wasn't very good...

Other then #2 receiver and LG (maybe), I say the Skins offense can be VERY potent. Hell, we were the #13 offense without our two greatest weapons, Portis and Moss (for half the season at least)

You didn't miss Portis one little bit, Betts played quite well... indeed, he played better than Portis has during his time with the Skins...

Clinton has had 822 carries in 39 games, 21.1 per game... he's gained 3364 yards in those 39 games, 86.3 yards per game... that's an average of 5.1 yards per carry... he's also had 87 catches (2.2 per game), for 621 yards (15.9 per game), an average of 7.1 yards per catch... that's a total of 909 touches (23.3 per game), for 3985 yards (102.2 per game), and an average of 4.4 yards per touch...

Meanwhile, over those last 7 games that Betts started, he had 163 carries (23.3 per game), for 788 yards (112.6 per game), an average of 4.8 yards per carry... he also had 23 catches (3.3 per game) for 214 yards (30.6 per game), an average of 9.3 yards per catch... that's a total of 186 touches (26.6 per game), for 1002 yards (143.1 yards per game), an average of 5.4 yards per play...

Takes a special kind of stupid to complain about losing your starting running back, when your backup comes in and plays SIGNIFICANTLY better...

And don't go whining about your injuries, not when it's Danny Boy's habit of throwing megabucks at free agents that has caused you not to have any depth in the first place...

As to what happened, injuries (Griffin, Springs, Washington),

Again, if you built through the DRAFT, rather than trading away draft picks as if they're infested with a deadly disease, you might have some depth on your team... but as it is, the Skins won't have any depth this year, either...

You act as if they got decimated by injuries last year, and that's just asinine... they had what I'd call a "normal" number of injuries... and this was after a coupla years in which they got REAL lucky on that front, so I don't want to hear you whining about injuries... unless they get REAL lucky in regards to injuries this year too, they'll be in progressively worse shape as the season progresses...

poor personnel decisions (Holdman, Arch, Wright, Marshall in the middle), bad scheming (10 yard cushions anybody?) and little pressure to the QB.

Wait a second, I thought you guys had a Hall of Fame coaching staff?? I thought Gregg Williams was the greatest defensive guru in the game today?? Now you're complaing about "poor personnel decisions" and "bad scheming"??

I'd like to think we fixed the personnel decisions... Fired LB coach Dale Lindsay who kept Holdman in for unknown reasons.

ROTFLMAO... as if Lindsay made that decision...

Pushed Marshall out of the middle and put in Fletcher. Traded Arch and released Holdman and Wright.

And last year, you got rid of Walt Harris, who went on to become a Pro Bowler out in San Francisco, and Matt Bowen; how did that work out for you??

As for the pass rush, I've debated this with some of you, but Andre Carter was coming on towards the last stretch (last 5 games had something like 33 tackles and 4 sacks)

19 sacks last year, by far the worst in the league... and your favorite team has done NOTHING to address that glaring deficiency... I guess Carter's gonna get you 20 sacks next year all by himself, eh??

Carter is what he is, and you're dreaming if you think he's ever gonna be a 12-15 sacks a year guy (even if he was, the Skins' pass rush still wouldn't be good, unless y'all can figure out a way to get another pass rusher or two or three)... over his last 54 games, he's had 19 sacks... that's a pretty large sampling size there, and it suggests that a REALISTIC expectation for him is 5-6 sacks a year...

and the pick-up of Anderson or Adams could make a solid set of ends.

Except you don't know if the Skins are gonna draft either one of them... you dont' even know if they're gonna be picking 6th, or they're gonna trade the pick away...

So now, part of your "optimism" is based on an ASSUMPTION, one that may or may not come to be...

So, you can see, there's cause for some level of optimism, as long as it's restrained and realistic. I don't see us being any worse then 5-11 but it's not unreasonable to think of a winning season.

If your team was 5-11 the year before, it's VERY unreasonable to think of winning seasons... truth is, it's pretty close to ridiculous to be thinking that way... which isn't to say it's impossible, every year some team comes out of nowhere, but it's quite unlikely...

 

[silverbear]

And with all your questions (Romo, scheme changes, spears, canty, ellis, flo, davis, glenn, TO, WP, Henry, James, Carp, FS, Garrett) your predicting utter domination. I believe you could be a good team, but you could get bogged down with those pesky scheme changes and struggle out of the gate. Wade Phillips said his scheme is easy to learn, it only takes a year. But I read that as this season might be filled with growing pains. Just my view on it.
Before you flame (because you are about to), I don't predict a bad season. I don't predict anything anymore, but I can see that you could be SB contenders, but I can also see a lot of struggling ahead. Consistency isn't the order of the day for the Boys and that might cost you a bit.

LOL... you see this pessimistic scenario for the Boys, yet you're optimistic about the Skins...

I hereby dub thee "homer"... you need to stop hangin' out over at Extremeskins, it'll make ya stupid...

 

[silverbear]

He's a Commander, something Imus should've said instead of what he chose to say on the air, the insult is multi-layered.

But politically correct!!!

 

[dalboy]

I sure hope this game will have some meaning

Ya it will that the cowboys swept the East and the Commanders get the first pick in the 2008 draft

 

[firehawk350]

Chuckle... once again, in true Skins fan fashion, when a player is still on your team, he's great, when he leaves, he's suddenly a dog...

How many threads have we seen in the last coupla years from Skins fans, woofing about how their offensive line is the best in the league??

But I'm sure you're gonna just LOVE watching Todd Freakin' Wade, all 6-8 of him, trying to play guard for you...

Yes, our O-line is great. Thank you for noticing. Tell me where you see us saying that Dockery was the key to that? We didn't lose Chris Samuels or Randy Thomas, we lost the worst starting lineman on our depth chart. Do you think that because we lost him, we are all of a sudden going to be a horrible O-line? As for Todd Wade, I personally like what I saw when he played against NO, but who knows? He single-handedly is not going to turn a great O-line into a horrible one, or even average.

I see-- your brother Skins fans can declare him the QB of the future based on the way he played last year, but we're not allowed to point out that he really wasn't very good...

No, you can point out he didn't play well but to base a prediction of future performance is a bit presumptious and pointing out that he didn't play well is like saying a baby can't walk very well, give him time.

You didn't miss Portis one little bit, Betts played quite well... indeed, he played better than Portis has during his time with the Skins...

Clinton has had 822 carries in 39 games, 21.1 per game... he's gained 3364 yards in those 39 games, 86.3 yards per game... that's an average of 5.1 yards per carry... he's also had 87 catches (2.2 per game), for 621 yards (15.9 per game), an average of 7.1 yards per catch... that's a total of 909 touches (23.3 per game), for 3985 yards (102.2 per game), and an average of 4.4 yards per touch...

Meanwhile, over those last 7 games that Betts started, he had 163 carries (23.3 per game), for 788 yards (112.6 per game), an average of 4.8 yards per carry... he also had 23 catches (3.3 per game) for 214 yards (30.6 per game), an average of 9.3 yards per catch... that's a total of 186 touches (26.6 per game), for 1002 yards (143.1 yards per game), an average of 5.4 yards per play...

Takes a special kind of stupid to complain about losing your starting running back, when your backup comes in and plays SIGNIFICANTLY better...

So let me get this straight... You think Betts is BETTER then Portis??? Or maybe, and hold on for this one, the line played better. Did you notice how Betts would barrel through the line and not get touched for 5-6 yards and when Portis was in, he would have to break tackles at the LOS? But hey, if you think Betts is that good, I guess there are worse things then having two starting caliber RBs.

And don't go whining about your injuries, not when it's Danny Boy's habit of throwing megabucks at free agents that has caused you not to have any depth in the first place...



Again, if you built through the DRAFT, rather than trading away draft picks as if they're infested with a deadly disease, you might have some depth on your team... but as it is, the Skins won't have any depth this year, either...

You act as if they got decimated by injuries last year, and that's just asinine... they had what I'd call a "normal" number of injuries... and this was after a coupla years in which they got REAL lucky on that front, so I don't want to hear you whining about injuries... unless they get REAL lucky in regards to injuries this year too, they'll be in progressively worse shape as the season progresses...

So let's see, our only great WR was in and out with injuries all year, Cooley was playing with something (I forgot what), our best LB was fighting through his, our starting RB went down in preseason (he came back in but he was never 100%), our premier CB went down for most of the damn time, Prioleau (who was supposed to be a coverage safety to take Arch's place) went down first play of the season, our #1 and #2 DT went in and out and this is the normal course of things? You lost TO for a game, Glenn for one, and Ellis for half of the season. Don't be pounding your chest about depth when yours isn't tested.
As far as depth, I think we're like any other team, there are positions in which we are razor thin (OL) and there are positions which look good (RB). You have no depth when it comes to O-line either. Your great o-line depth savior last year (Fabini) is on the skins team and our horrible depth last year was picked up by you guys (Molinaro). Shows me that the o-line depth is pretty interchangeable between us.

Wait a second, I thought you guys had a Hall of Fame coaching staff?? I thought Gregg Williams was the greatest defensive guru in the game today?? Now you're complaing about "poor personnel decisions" and "bad scheming"??

Do you disagree or not? Gregg Williams is a great D coordinator, so I don't know what happened but Arch was a bad personnel decision, no matter who made the call.

ROTFLMAO... as if Lindsay made that decision...

As if you know what your talking about here. That was one reason among many he got fired.

And last year, you got rid of Walt Harris, who went on to become a Pro Bowler out in San Francisco, and Matt Bowen; how did that work out for you??

Matt Bowen??? Oh, you mean the one that played in 5 games and had two tackles. Wow, you really showed me.

19 sacks last year, by far the worst in the league... and your favorite team has done NOTHING to address that glaring deficiency... I guess Carter's gonna get you 20 sacks next year all by himself, eh??

Carter is what he is, and you're dreaming if you think he's ever gonna be a 12-15 sacks a year guy (even if he was, the Skins' pass rush still wouldn't be good, unless y'all can figure out a way to get another pass rusher or two or three)... over his last 54 games, he's had 19 sacks... that's a pretty large sampling size there, and it suggests that a REALISTIC expectation for him is 5-6 sacks a year...

Yeah, because Carter has never gotten 12 sacks before. Oh wait, yes he did. 2nd season (last one as a DE)... Wow, way to do your research. Besides, he isn't the only one who can rush the passer. Marcus Washington, pre-injury did so relatively well. If anything, Williams' D is known to bring pressure, just didn't last season...

Except you don't know if the Skins are gonna draft either one of them... you dont' even know if they're gonna be picking 6th, or they're gonna trade the pick away...

So now, part of your "optimism" is based on an ASSUMPTION, one that may or may not come to be...

So, if we trade out, where do you think we're going to go? This draft is extremely heavy with talent in DE and I don't see us not getting a decent DE, as long as we stay in the first round (and I don't see us trading out of the first round either).

If your team was 5-11 the year before, it's VERY unreasonable to think of winning seasons... truth is, it's pretty close to ridiculous to be thinking that way... which isn't to say it's impossible, every year some team comes out of nowhere, but it's quite unlikely...

Oh wait, didn't we go 6-10 in 04 and then 10-6 the next season? Yeah, your right though, one extra loss in 06 vs. 04 so there is NO way we can have a winning season. I like how absolutely nothing you have said is based in fact, except to prove that our back-up running back is a good back and then went on to say we have no depth...